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ndub

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it was a bad look and he had a poor slump of form for those 4-5 games which he'll have to get rid of if he wants to be thought of among the better WRs in the league

but i dont really care right now what he looks like 10+ years in the league, im far more interested in what he looked like in 2020 and what he might look like in 2021 - route-running is about creating separation - hollywood creates more separation per route than any receiver in the league except for tyreek hill and calvin ridley - partly that's a function of the offence but there's a skill to that - he spent all of the 2020 offence working on his releases and it showed up in his 2020 tape - he was very difficult to press - he uses his tools to consistently run effective routes - that makes him at worst a good route-runner

Hollywood is A) not being used properly, and B) not a true number 1. If he had someone taking the role of being a true 1 or at least taking more heat off both him and Andrews, I think Hollywood could ball. But he’s not big enough to do it on his own. Tyreek isn’t tall by any means (he’s still 2 inches taller than Brown), but Tyreek is built like a tree trunk with his legs; Hollywood is not
 

ndub

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I think they could use another pass catching TE because, well, they don't have one on the roster if Andrews goes down. I think they've got some PS-level players who could be quality in-line blockers if Boyle goes down (which is what happened last year), though obviously, they're not as good as Boyle.

BUT... that doesn't mean I want to go spend $8M on a backup pass catching TE. I agree that 3 TE sets aren't going to work or happen, and I'd rather use a mid-round on somebody rather than commit a bunch of financial resources to one.

If we were like 10-2 and Andrews tears his ACL, sure, I'd be interested in acquiring an Ertz as a mid-season rental. But not at this junction of the offseason.

I think they’re showing hints of wanting the same by adding Josh Oliver. They want that option back, at the very least a second guy who can come in and be a solid receiving TE
 

Simba

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I know this is going to be long but I'm bored so wanted to assess all of the positions and where we might need to add either in FA or the draft now that things have settled down

QB: Jackson, McSroely, Huntley

We'll almost surely add a 4th guy here for camp, but I don't expect it to be anyone of note. McSorley and/or Huntley should be more than capable backups at the rookie minimum essentially.

RB: Dobbins, Edwards, Hill, T. Williams

This is another area that is pretty much locked down. I would anticipate we'll probably add a UDFA or 2 to the mix here for camp, and maybe someone off the streets at the minimum as some insurance. But we have a clear top 3 here so no need to focus heavily on the position.

WR: Brown, Watkins, Duvernay, Boykin, Proche, Cain, Moore, Victor

Okay the first obvious one that we need to add. Brown and Watkins give us capable starters, and I still think Duvernay can be a good player and would love to see what he does with a full offseason with the new staff. I still think Proche has some thing to offer as well. But we still need to add high upside talent here via the draft. You have 3 clear guys and then a whole bunch of who knows.

TE: Andrews, Boyle, Ricard (FB), Tomlinson, Oliver, Wolf, Breeland

I think they'd be alright with this group, but also wouldn't hesitate to add to it should someone better come along. Tomlinson is the insurance in case Boyle has a setback, and Oliver is their cheap shot at another receiving TE. I honestly wouldn't expect anything from Wolf or Breeland.

OL: Stanley, Powers, Bozeman, Zeitler, Brown, Phillips, Mekari, Bredeson, Colon-Castillo, Smith, Mancz

We have a metric ton of interior depth but none that are bonafide starters. We could be a lot worse off, but we could also be a lot better, so iOL remains a possibility early. T depth is absolutely putrid though, all marred by OBJ's trade request. Assuming we keep him, we have a starter locked in, but the only depth we have is Phillips who didn't look so great there, and Andre Smith who is 34 and opted out and has been garbage for years. At the very least, we need to add a swing T. We could need more depending on Brown.

DL: Campbell, Williams, Wolfe, Madubuike, Ellis, Washington, Crawford, Hoyett

We still have a very strong group here, but the starters are getting older and we might need to start looking younger. This could be another mid-late round shot, especially with Broderick Washington doing dumb shit. Madubuike should ascend as a starter next season, but still need to add some young pieces around him, whether that's this year or next year.

OLB: Bowser, McPhee, Ferguson, Rivers, Adeoye

This group is pretty laughable on the surface. I have little doubt that we'll try to bring a veteran in after the draft since the market is still plenty full. You can also expect an early draft pick or two to add to this group. They need some help big time.

ILB: Queen, Harrison, Fort, Board, Welch, Alaka

There's really nothing to worry about here. We have two ascending young players and were able to bring back a solid vet in Fort. This is the one position that you probably don't have to touch at all heading into camp. Maybe a UDFA camp body but you have plenty of talent and value here already.

CB: Humphrey, Peters, Smith, Young, Averett, Harris, Dorsey, Marshall, Westry

This is a very solid group but could still use a little depth and wouldn't be shocked if we take another mid-round swing. A true backup slot would be great. It also wouldn't surprise me if we try to find another long outside CB with Jimmy aging and Averett a FA after the year. You don't need to do anything here necessarily, but don't discount the possibility.

S: Clark, Elliott, Richards, Stone, Warrior

The unheralded need and this depth chart should show why. Richards is a STer. Stone was hardly active. Warrior was on the PS all year. Elliott is a decent little player but he's a FA after the year and we need to add some actual depth here at the very least. This is still an early round possibility though.

ST: Tucker, Koch, Moore, Khoury

It's weird not typing Cox here, but Moore is the new guy. I would anticipate we might add some competition for Koch as he's getting older, but that's not that big of a deal just yet. Camp legs at a minimum.


So with 7 picks, I think you'd ideally like to hit... WR, iOL, OT, OLB, CB, and FS in no particular order. It'd be surprising if we don't do everything we can to trade back and acquire more mid-round picks.
 

rmcjacket23

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I think they’re showing hints of wanting the same by adding Josh Oliver. They want that option back, at the very least a second guy who can come in and be a solid receiving TE
Ehh, maybe. 3rd round pick from a few years ago with a ton of physical traits to like. Just hasn't been healthy.

He's an almost no risk signing. 2022 conditional 7th rounder, and without knowing for sure, I'm sure the "conditions" are either him making the roster or based on playing time. 80-90 man offseason roster sizes means there's time for him to compete. If he doesn't make the team, which I actually think would still be the most likely scenario, I would bet it won't cost us anything in terms of draft pick competition.

But healthy upside may be in the Darren Waller class. A red zone threat who's a physical mismatch for linebackers and safeties.
 

rmcjacket23

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I know this is going to be long but I'm bored so wanted to assess all of the positions and where we might need to add either in FA or the draft now that things have settled down

QB: Jackson, McSroely, Huntley

We'll almost surely add a 4th guy here for camp, but I don't expect it to be anyone of note. McSorley and/or Huntley should be more than capable backups at the rookie minimum essentially.

RB: Dobbins, Edwards, Hill, T. Williams

This is another area that is pretty much locked down. I would anticipate we'll probably add a UDFA or 2 to the mix here for camp, and maybe someone off the streets at the minimum as some insurance. But we have a clear top 3 here so no need to focus heavily on the position.

WR: Brown, Watkins, Duvernay, Boykin, Proche, Cain, Moore, Victor

Okay the first obvious one that we need to add. Brown and Watkins give us capable starters, and I still think Duvernay can be a good player and would love to see what he does with a full offseason with the new staff. I still think Proche has some thing to offer as well. But we still need to add high upside talent here via the draft. You have 3 clear guys and then a whole bunch of who knows.

TE: Andrews, Boyle, Ricard (FB), Tomlinson, Oliver, Wolf, Breeland

I think they'd be alright with this group, but also wouldn't hesitate to add to it should someone better come along. Tomlinson is the insurance in case Boyle has a setback, and Oliver is their cheap shot at another receiving TE. I honestly wouldn't expect anything from Wolf or Breeland.

OL: Stanley, Powers, Bozeman, Zeitler, Brown, Phillips, Mekari, Bredeson, Colon-Castillo, Smith, Mancz

We have a metric ton of interior depth but none that are bonafide starters. We could be a lot worse off, but we could also be a lot better, so iOL remains a possibility early. T depth is absolutely putrid though, all marred by OBJ's trade request. Assuming we keep him, we have a starter locked in, but the only depth we have is Phillips who didn't look so great there, and Andre Smith who is 34 and opted out and has been garbage for years. At the very least, we need to add a swing T. We could need more depending on Brown.

DL: Campbell, Williams, Wolfe, Madubuike, Ellis, Washington, Crawford, Hoyett

We still have a very strong group here, but the starters are getting older and we might need to start looking younger. This could be another mid-late round shot, especially with Broderick Washington doing dumb shit. Madubuike should ascend as a starter next season, but still need to add some young pieces around him, whether that's this year or next year.

OLB: Bowser, McPhee, Ferguson, Rivers, Adeoye

This group is pretty laughable on the surface. I have little doubt that we'll try to bring a veteran in after the draft since the market is still plenty full. You can also expect an early draft pick or two to add to this group. They need some help big time.

ILB: Queen, Harrison, Fort, Board, Welch, Alaka

There's really nothing to worry about here. We have two ascending young players and were able to bring back a solid vet in Fort. This is the one position that you probably don't have to touch at all heading into camp. Maybe a UDFA camp body but you have plenty of talent and value here already.

CB: Humphrey, Peters, Smith, Young, Averett, Harris, Dorsey, Marshall, Westry

This is a very solid group but could still use a little depth and wouldn't be shocked if we take another mid-round swing. A true backup slot would be great. It also wouldn't surprise me if we try to find another long outside CB with Jimmy aging and Averett a FA after the year. You don't need to do anything here necessarily, but don't discount the possibility.

S: Clark, Elliott, Richards, Stone, Warrior

The unheralded need and this depth chart should show why. Richards is a STer. Stone was hardly active. Warrior was on the PS all year. Elliott is a decent little player but he's a FA after the year and we need to add some actual depth here at the very least. This is still an early round possibility though.

ST: Tucker, Koch, Moore, Khoury

It's weird not typing Cox here, but Moore is the new guy. I would anticipate we might add some competition for Koch as he's getting older, but that's not that big of a deal just yet. Camp legs at a minimum.


So with 7 picks, I think you'd ideally like to hit... WR, iOL, OT, OLB, CB, and FS in no particular order. It'd be surprising if we don't do everything we can to trade back and acquire more mid-round picks.
In terms of draft resources...
1. I think they'll surprise people and NOT take a Corner, unless its like very late, which means low expectations. They got 5 guys they like, and I think they think they can find veterans if they need them. I think the organization is high on Averett and actually will look to give him more playing time.
2. Safety is a bigger priority than the fans think. I can see us drafting a Safety in the first, and at a minimum, before the end of day 2. I like our current guys, but we have no depth, and I think the Ravens clearly value Safety more than a lot of teams in the league. We want to be better there.
3. If we even have a general thought of trading Brown, one Tackle isn't enough in my opinion. I think its gotta be one early, one late. They may have more faith in Phillips than I do, but if they don't address it in FA, I think we need two, not one.
4. I think they could still target a Center early, but I also think its possible they're sort of "done" with the interior Oline. I think they're somewhat convinced that Bozeman can make the transition to Center, and we do have a lot of depth there from recent draft classes.

For me, its pass rushers and more pass rushers. I want two or three, at least.
 

RavensMania

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Hollywood is A) not being used properly, and B) not a true number 1. If he had someone taking the role of being a true 1 or at least taking more heat off both him and Andrews, I think Hollywood could ball. But he’s not big enough to do it on his own. Tyreek isn’t tall by any means (he’s still 2 inches taller than Brown), but Tyreek is built like a tree trunk with his legs; Hollywood is not
very few teams have a true number one and it's not necessary to have a number one. I'd say it's better to have 3 or 4 high quality number 2s than one number 1
 

Simba

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In terms of draft resources...
1. I think they'll surprise people and NOT take a Corner, unless its like very late, which means low expectations. They got 5 guys they like, and I think they think they can find veterans if they need them. I think the organization is high on Averett and actually will look to give him more playing time.
2. Safety is a bigger priority than the fans think. I can see us drafting a Safety in the first, and at a minimum, before the end of day 2. I like our current guys, but we have no depth, and I think the Ravens clearly value Safety more than a lot of teams in the league. We want to be better there.
3. If we even have a general thought of trading Brown, one Tackle isn't enough in my opinion. I think its gotta be one early, one late. They may have more faith in Phillips than I do, but if they don't address it in FA, I think we need two, not one.
4. I think they could still target a Center early, but I also think its possible they're sort of "done" with the interior Oline. I think they're somewhat convinced that Bozeman can make the transition to Center, and we do have a lot of depth there from recent draft classes.

For me, its pass rushers and more pass rushers. I want two or three, at least.

In regards to CB, I think there's two reasons it makes sense.

One would be that you have no slot depth if/when Tavon gets hurt again. If a guy is there that they like, I don't think they'd hesitate. It's nice that Marlon can move around but you might want some actual depth.

Two is that they could look to put Jimmy back in that hybrid S role that they tried last year. That could alleviate the depth concerns there.

It's not a huge need but if a guy they like is there, I don't think they'd hesitate to pull the trigger. They seemingly always draft a CB.
 

ndub

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Ehh, maybe. 3rd round pick from a few years ago with a ton of physical traits to like. Just hasn't been healthy.

He's an almost no risk signing. 2022 conditional 7th rounder, and without knowing for sure, I'm sure the "conditions" are either him making the roster or based on playing time. 80-90 man offseason roster sizes means there's time for him to compete. If he doesn't make the team, which I actually think would still be the most likely scenario, I would bet it won't cost us anything in terms of draft pick competition.

But healthy upside may be in the Darren Waller class. A red zone threat who's a physical mismatch for linebackers and safeties.

Yep, and that’s why I said a hint.... they don’t expect him to fix the spot, they just want the competition for the role
 

ndub

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very few teams have a true number one and it's not necessary to have a number one. I'd say it's better to have 3 or 4 high quality number 2s than one number 1

That’s also true. But point is Brown can’t get it done all by himself and he’d look a lot better if he had help
 

rossihunter2

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So with 7 picks, I think you'd ideally like to hit... WR, iOL, OT, OLB, CB, and FS in no particular order. It'd be surprising if we don't do everything we can to trade back and acquire more mid-round picks.

especially looking at the weaker back-end of the 1st round (in terms of draft grades) and super strong top of the 2nd round (in terms of draft grades) in this draft class - would be a big advocate for trading completely out of the 1st unless someone awesome is there - if we could find a way to add an extra day 2 pick that would be amazing
 

rossihunter2

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In regards to CB, I think there's two reasons it makes sense.

One would be that you have no slot depth if/when Tavon gets hurt again. If a guy is there that they like, I don't think they'd hesitate. It's nice that Marlon can move around but you might want some actual depth.

Two is that they could look to put Jimmy back in that hybrid S role that they tried last year. That could alleviate the depth concerns there.

It's not a huge need but if a guy they like is there, I don't think they'd hesitate to pull the trigger. They seemingly always draft a CB.

they always say "you can never have too many corners" and almost every year they're proven right - last year we finally thought we had enough and we still ended up playing games with multiple randos signed off the streets only a week earlier...

but generally, while safety looks to be more of a "need", i think you can lump CB and S together somewhat this year in terms of the need because of jimmy and we'll be drafting a DB no doubt but it might not necessarily be both - or we might even find a guy who fills both needs as a hybrid safety/nickel type...

there seem to be a ton of those kinds of guys in college and a fair few in this draft (some listed as safeties and some as corners and a couple even as LBs lol) - kary vincent jr, elijah molden, james wiggins, ardarius washington, trevon moehrig, jevon holland, joshuah bledsoe, jeremiah owusu-koramoah
 

Davesta

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She’s been right about things in the past

Here she goes again.. also mentions it isn’t a skill player.

 

JAAM

Hall of Famer
She’s been right about things in the past

Here she goes again.. also mentions it isn’t a skill player.


If it’s not a skill player, I’ll put money on Clowney
 

Davesta

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If it’s not a skill player, I’ll put money on Clowney

Did we just became brothers?

But seriously, out of all the EDGE free agents left, that’s who would get me excited the most. Probably a contract with incentives based off playing time.
 
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