The Murphy's Law, The Ugly and The Uglier

[rmcjacket23]

Um.... we really going to use injuries as an excuse to keep Roman aren't we? Like how long does it take to fire someone? Harbs going to make Biscotti choose between being fired or Roman's fired in order to make it happen.

Fire Roman, promote Tee Martin who has previous OC experience.

I mean... how many OC's we going to fire before we realize it's not the OC?
Before I even consider firing Roman, I'd put Tee Martin in a room for a minimum of like 48 straight hours and make him break down, in excruciating detail, what he would do differently and why this team would be better for it. I'd want to know how he's going to improve the offensive lines ability to run block. I'd want to know how he's going to dial up plays against pressure that are guaranteed to beat that pressure consistently, to the point where teams will stop doing it. I'd want to know what he would change about the route concepts of the receivers (hint: this one is going to be brutally hard to do).

And I don't think he would be able to do any of those things better than Roman.

This has "smells like fanbase overreaction" written all over it. Roman is the OC of basically a top 5 offense. That's not good enough apparently.

Here's an extremely unpopular opinion for you... I'd fire Wink before I'd ever consider firing Roman. He's the vastly inferior coordinator on this team this season by a very wide margin to me. What things has he done to improve this defense so far? Who wants to stand up and say he's been great at mid-game adjustments and not just sticking to the "lets rush a lot of people and play tight man" scheme that he loves so much. What's his track record for pass rusher development been looking like the last few years?

 

[rmcjacket23]

Slow starts are way too consistent every week for one, a good OC adjusts their playbooks when injuries happen. Roman thinks we can just do the same with anyone as if we didn't lose Gus or Dobbins.

OBJ said when he talked to McVay, McVay told him they would find creative ways to get him the ball. With our weapons, a good OC spreads out the 30th ranked pass defense and destroys them. Zero adjustments made to what Miami did defensively. Yes, Roman is perfect for Lamar but Cam was perfect for Joe until we refused to take the handcuffs off. Roman is good for 1-3 years, then we move on and take the training wheels off and let Lamar loose. Seeing too many similarities with the offense struggling now to what got Cam fired in 2012.

Well, except this offense this year is performing at a much higher level, accumulating more yards, scoring more points, etc. than the 2012 team was under Cam Cameron. And Cameron got like 5 years before he was let go.

If you gave me this problem with a healthy supply of RBs and a decent Oline, I'd be on board. Greg doesn't have that right now.
The slow starts are a concern, but this is the first game I've seen this year where it felt like he got stubborn in his play calling and couldn't handle what was being shown to him. I never got that feeling in any other game.

 

[ravenslord]

We need a running back with explosive speed !! T'yson Williams has shown some of that so here's hoping he gets out of Harbaugh's doghouse.

Bell is worthless. It should be Williams, Murray and Freeman going forward.

 

[QuothTheRaven]

We need a running back with explosive speed !! T'yson Williams has shown some of that so here's hoping he gets out of Harbaugh's doghouse.

Bell is worthless. It should be Williams, Murray and Freeman going forward.

Why is Ty'Son Williams still coming up? He doesn't have it. He can't see the hole and when he does he's scared to hit it. It's not Harbaugh's dog house, he's just not good enough.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

The way the Dolphins were playing some of the quick slants could have turned into 70 -80 yard td's .

Exactly, they didn’t do too much different than week 1 2019, sold out to stop the run and blitzed their asses off. Hollywood and Bateman would have eaten them on backside slants, literally just hit them with 3 or 4 times in one quarter and they’re gonna start changing up which then opens up everything else.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I mean... how many OC's we going to fire before we realize it's not the OC?
Before I even consider firing Roman, I'd put Tee Martin in a room for a minimum of like 48 straight hours and make him break down, in excruciating detail, what he would do differently and why this team would be better for it. I'd want to know how he's going to improve the offensive lines ability to run block. I'd want to know how he's going to dial up plays against pressure that are guaranteed to beat that pressure consistently, to the point where teams will stop doing it. I'd want to know what he would change about the route concepts of the receivers (hint: this one is going to be brutally hard to do).

And I don't think he would be able to do any of those things better than Roman.

This has "smells like fanbase overreaction" written all over it. Roman is the OC of basically a top 5 offense. That's not good enough apparently.

Here's an extremely unpopular opinion for you... I'd fire Wink before I'd ever consider firing Roman. He's the vastly inferior coordinator on this team this season by a very wide margin to me. What things has he done to improve this defense so far? Who wants to stand up and say he's been great at mid-game adjustments and not just sticking to the "lets rush a lot of people and play tight man" scheme that he loves so much. What's his track record for pass rusher development been looking like the last few years?

Agreed entirely here, Roman has evolved and wink has not, Roman has adjusted to loss of talent and wink has not adjusted to the loss of ONE player who went down before week 1, now add the Elliott loss and it’s going to tank him.

Once upon a time wink had the worst defense In the league in Denver, the difference between here and Denver was 2 all pro level corners, a pro bowl nickel, and a cb3/4 who would be a cb2 at worst on most teams. ONE guy goes down and we have a bottom 3 defense and can’t adjust over the course of a half a season. And it’s been proven time and time again that we handle everything better when we play more conservative to adjust to this loss of talent, yet we still won’t, That’s a really bad look on him.

 

[D1City55]

freeman and bell left yards on the field through their lack of explosion - if you're dedicated to making the running game work at that point in this game - then it should have made sense to get Ty'son on the field... otherwise why is he here

At this point it makes no sense. Bell is what he is at this point, and quite honestly I'm not impressed by him, he runs hard and can make a move but he's a poor fit in this offense with his complete lack of burst, he's too patient of a runner(and slow) to play in this offense.
Freeman I think has been solid but he left yards on the table.

Even give Ty'son some looks or bring up someone from the practice squad who can give you burst, this is ridiculous at this point.

 

[D1City55]

Why is Ty'Son Williams still coming up? He doesn't have it. He can't see the hole and when he does he's scared to hit it. It's not Harbaugh's dog house, he's just not good enough.

If he's not good enough then move on and find someone who can give you burst and accelaration. The run game is badly needing that and yards are being left on the field, right now the player who can best provide that is Ty'son, if that's an element of your offense that's missing then give Ty'son a shot or find someone else who potentially can, but right now these RBs are too slow and its a big problem for this offense, you can say Ty'son is not the answer, but neither is Bell, Murray or Freeman.

 

[D1City55]

I mean... how many OC's we going to fire before we realize it's not the OC?
Before I even consider firing Roman, I'd put Tee Martin in a room for a minimum of like 48 straight hours and make him break down, in excruciating detail, what he would do differently and why this team would be better for it. I'd want to know how he's going to improve the offensive lines ability to run block. I'd want to know how he's going to dial up plays against pressure that are guaranteed to beat that pressure consistently, to the point where teams will stop doing it. I'd want to know what he would change about the route concepts of the receivers (hint: this one is going to be brutally hard to do).

And I don't think he would be able to do any of those things better than Roman.

This has "smells like fanbase overreaction" written all over it. Roman is the OC of basically a top 5 offense. That's not good enough apparently.

Here's an extremely unpopular opinion for you... I'd fire Wink before I'd ever consider firing Roman. He's the vastly inferior coordinator on this team this season by a very wide margin to me. What things has he done to improve this defense so far? Who wants to stand up and say he's been great at mid-game adjustments and not just sticking to the "lets rush a lot of people and play tight man" scheme that he loves so much. What's his track record for pass rusher development been looking like the last few years?

I would absolutely agree that Wink should be let go first and you are on the money here. I don't see how Roman gets fired before Wink that's ridiculous. The secondary prior to Elliot going down wasn't even a bad one by most standards and most of the players on that unit have had plenty of time together, the miscommunication is becoming inexcusable at this point. Even if players are not executing(Which they're not) you still have a role to provide in improving the unit's performance and that's not happening right now.

 

[Michael M.]

Does anyone think McCrary should be given a chance at this point?

 

[QuothTheRaven]

If he's not good enough then move on and find someone who can give you burst and accelaration. The run game is badly needing that and yards are being left on the field, right now the player who can best provide that is Ty'son, if that's an element of your offense that's missing then give Ty'son a shot or find someone else who potentially can, but right now these RBs are too slow and its a big problem for this offense, you can say Ty'son is not the answer, but neither is Bell, Murray or Freeman.

Man, I agree with you but at this point in the season... who?

 

[QuothTheRaven]

Does anyone think McCrary should be given a chance at this point?

You could make an argument for it but they've had a long look at him by this point and haven't been tempted to try, so you've got to wonder if he really offers anything.

 

[Dom McRaven]

Exactly, they didn’t do too much different than week 1 2019, sold out to stop the run and blitzed their asses off. Hollywood and Bateman would have eaten them on backside slants, literally just hit them with 3 or 4 times in one quarter and they’re gonna start changing up which then opens up everything else.

*sighs*

That 2019 game. When it was poetry of motion. A symphony, if you will.

 

[drjohnnyfever]

This thread is SUS! Too many armchair Coordinators jockeying for a job!

 

[rossihunter2]

Agreed entirely here, Roman has evolved and wink has not, Roman has adjusted to loss of talent and wink has not adjusted to the loss of ONE player who went down before week 1, now add the Elliott loss and it’s going to tank him.

Once upon a time wink had the worst defense In the league in Denver, the difference between here and Denver was 2 all pro level corners, a pro bowl nickel, and a cb3/4 who would be a cb2 at worst on most teams. ONE guy goes down and we have a bottom 3 defense and can’t adjust over the course of a half a season. And it’s been proven time and time again that we handle everything better when we play more conservative to adjust to this loss of talent, yet we still won’t, That’s a really bad look on him.

i think it also doesnt help that the 3 guys the defence was designed by and for are no longer ravens and havent been for at least 2 years now...

when wink took over they built the defence around CJ Mosley, Eric Weddle and Sizzle - they knew that suggs and weddle wouldn't be around long-term but they fully expected to have CJ and Judon was expected to take over for Suggs after an 8 sack season in 2017 and chuck was already in the building although not a starter yet

and looking at how much of a difference Josh Bynes presence has made in the heart of this defence, both times he's come in, i think you can see how important that LB position is

a lot of the load for all the defensive communication and stuff fell on chuck clark and the importance of really good corners is clearly self-evident

but i go back to the loss of CJ Mosley over and over and over again - why did the jets have to throw such an outlier amount of money at him? would have saved us from the whole earl thomas debacle too - i still think Wink's an incredible coordinator and playcaller but it's frustrating how outside of "big" games he hasnt really adjusted our defensive approach

 

[Simba]

Why is Ty'Son Williams still coming up? He doesn't have it. He can't see the hole and when he does he's scared to hit it. It's not Harbaugh's dog house, he's just not good enough.

I'm not even a Ty'Son fan (I agree with you) but I can't fathom how they watched Bell and to a lesser extent Freeman get caught from behind so much and didn't think to at least give him another opportunity. Not like Ty'Son was inactive. He was dressed. Don't even see why he's on the roster in that case if he can't get an opportunity in a game where we were stymied like that.

 

[rossihunter2]

*sighs*

That 2019 game. When it was poetry of motion. A symphony, if you will.

you knew the 2019 season was gonna be fun after mark ingram took the first snap for 50 yards after running over 2 defenders in L2 after being clean through the hole and then all 3 running backs got major chunks on that first drive

and then the 1st snap of the 2nd drive was a RPO slant to the house to hollywood from midfield

 

[OURavensFan]

Watkins reminds me of Maclin.

I was thinking the same exact thing

 

[Nurps]

you knew the 2019 season was gonna be fun after mark ingram took the first snap for 50 yards after running over 2 defenders in L2 after being clean through the hole and then all 3 running backs got major chunks on that first drive

and then the 1st snap of the 2nd drive was a RPO slant to the house to hollywood from midfield

I had tix, planes and hotels booked for this game. Watched it in a hospital room on my phone. Last night was supposed to make up for that. FML.

 

[purplepittabread88]

Let's be honest, we are meant to lose a lot more games than previous years (at least in new ways like the cover 0) as we dont have a running game rope to strangle everyone we get a lead on.

If we actually can learn how to counter, I am so okay with this happening to us in week 10 rather than in the playoffs like it has in years past. Get the ugly spots shown now so we aren't caught off guard in another 10 points scored playoff loss.