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The Humphrey and Williams Pick: I'm Digging Them-You?

One thing to notice is Suggs isnt playing 1000 snaps anymore, he's down to 66% of the defensive snaps last season. Williams is going to get a lot of work
 
BloodRaven said:
One thing to notice is Suggs isnt playing 1000 snaps anymore, he's down to 66% of the defensive snaps last season. Williams is going to get a lot of work
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and bowser, and judon, and maybe mclellan as well - im not sure if zadarius smith makes this team
 
BloodRaven said:
One thing to notice is Suggs isnt playing 1000 snaps anymore, he's down to 66% of the defensive snaps last season. Williams is going to get a lot of work
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I wouldn't be surprised it it was down to 50% this season now that we have actually competition for this spot and a good edge rusher we want to use on the strong side (Bowser). As the season goes on, Suggs could take the role of an edge setter on running downs with Bowser as the main strong side edge rusher.
 
RaineV1 said:
I wouldn't be surprised it it was down to 50% this season now that we have actually competition for this spot and a good edge rusher we want to use on the strong side (Bowser). As the season goes on, Suggs could take the role of an edge setter on running downs with Bowser as the main strong side edge rusher.
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That's how I see it, I think Suggs will have a 2-down role and will be used more as an edge setter and occasional rusher (probably with Judon on the opposite side) with Bowser and Williams coming on 3rd downs.
ZDS is an unknown but some part of me still believe he can be really good in an elephant role.
 
I see Timmy Willy as the strong side rusher and Judon as the weak side. I honestly don't see many pure rushing snaps for bowser, he's got a lot of work to do in that regard, but he's a gifted blitzer and cover guy, I think he'll be moved around in our rush packages and won't be a designated rusher very often. Put the big strong rusher Judon against the typically more agile LT and the speedster against the typically slower stronger RT.

Now of course matchups will vary from snap to snap, but this seems like the general idea I would think we stick to. But then again we barely run a 34 anymore as it is.

In 43 and nickel packages it could be lethal having Judon and williams edge rushing with Mosley and bowser threatening to drop or blitz at any time, correa is another major wild card as a blitzer or cover guy.

Think of a 43 package for 3rd down where you have Judon, wormley, pierce, and williams up front, with correa, Mosley, and bowser at LB. holy hell that sounds like a fun watch.
 
Jacquouille said:
That's how I see it, I think Suggs will have a 2-down role and will be used more as an edge setter and occasional rusher (probably with Judon on the opposite side) with Bowser and Williams coming on 3rd downs.
ZDS is an unknown but some part of me still believe he can be really good in an elephant role.
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i know suggs didnt get double digit sacks last year but it seems crazy to me that you would not want him in the game on money downs given how clutch he is - he still gave the best left tackles in football last year absolute fits at times - i agree his role will decrease but i think the team will shift him to a dumervil type role if they can rather than a 2 down edge setter... i think they'll keep mclellan at OLB on running downs unless judon/williams beat him out and bowser will play OLB on early downs and shift to a more traditional SAM role on passing downs (at least to start the season)
 
rossihunter2 said:
i know suggs didnt get double digit sacks last year but it seems crazy to me that you would not want him in the game on money downs given how clutch he is - he still gave the best left tackles in football last year absolute fits at times - i agree his role will decrease but i think the team will shift him to a dumervil type role if they can rather than a 2 down edge setter... i think they'll keep mclellan at OLB on running downs unless judon/williams beat him out and bowser will play OLB on early downs and shift to a more traditional SAM role on passing downs (at least to start the season)
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Z Smith is a non factor as a pass rusher, he had his shot last season and is about as effective a pass rusher as JJ and Upshaw. My guess is Suggs and Judon start and rotate with Bowser and Williams like linemen.
 
BloodRaven said:
Z Smith is a non factor as a pass rusher, he had his shot last season and is about as effective a pass rusher as JJ and Upshaw. My guess is Suggs and Judon start and rotate with Bowser and Williams like linemen.
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I'd venture to say upshaw was a way better pass rusher. He methodically worked his way into the pocket and generated a fair amount of pressure with bulrushes and inside rushes but lacked the speed to get home. ZDS ends up in another goddamn stadium on his rush snaps he's so far away
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I'd venture to say upshaw was a way better pass rusher. He methodically worked his way into the pocket and generated a fair amount of pressure with bulrushes and inside rushes but lacked the speed to get home. ZDS ends up in another goddamn stadium on his rush snaps he's so far away
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I dont think he makes the team TBH . Also, even in his first season, while i got a lot of negs for saying this on BR.com, his sacks were not the result of beating the tackles but coverage sacks where basically he needed 8 seconds..

He's a below average NFL player. I think he's expendable.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I'd venture to say upshaw was a way better pass rusher. He methodically worked his way into the pocket and generated a fair amount of pressure with bulrushes and inside rushes but lacked the speed to get home. ZDS ends up in another goddamn stadium on his rush snaps he's so far away
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Thats true, Upshaw has the power edge thats why he's a DT now, that and his weight problems. He would have made a hell of a NT.

Sami84 said:
I dont think he makes the team TBH . Also, even in his first season, while i got a lot of negs for saying this on BR.com, his sacks were not the result of beating the tackles but coverage sacks where basically he needed 8 seconds..

He's a below average NFL player. I think he's expendable.
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They were coverage sacks, thats why I cringed when he was talking about getting 20 sacks last season. Not trying to hate on the guy but I'd be surprised if he gets 20 sacks in his career.
 
BloodRaven said:
Z Smith is a non factor as a pass rusher, he had his shot last season and is about as effective a pass rusher as JJ and Upshaw. My guess is Suggs and Judon start and rotate with Bowser and Williams like linemen.
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Yeah, Jacoby wasn't very good rushing the QBs, I don't think he made a single sack for his whole career.
 
Loving both picks, Defensively we will be dominate... here's hoping we snag Q, and some help at C, and RT... Then the offense will be ready too
 
Sami84 said:
I dont think he makes the team TBH . Also, even in his first season, while i got a lot of negs for saying this on BR.com, his sacks were not the result of beating the tackles but coverage sacks where basically he needed 8 seconds..

He's a below average NFL player. I think he's expendable.
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Agreed. I was not jumping on his bandwagon because I said the same thing. I liked him out of college but he didn't transition well or develop at all, year 3 really showed that.
 
Honestly someone has to bring up how we've never had a speed rusher like Tim, all this time we'd rather put some 4-3 end standing up (except an old Dummervil) whereas Tim is a Von/Vic type that we've never had and it gets me pumped because we very well may have latched our superstar that we've been looking for for a long time.
 
Jacquouille said:
Honestly someone has to bring up how we've never had a speed rusher like Tim, all this time we'd rather put some 4-3 end standing up (except an old Dummervil) whereas Tim is a Von/Vic type that we've never had and it gets me pumped because we very well may have latched our superstar that we've been looking for for a long time.
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Hes got the best first step burst of any pass rusher weve had imo, even quicker than Boulware. Its really noticeable that hes on another level.
 
Sami84 said:
Im watching the OLE miss game right now and it's not even the 2nd half and humphrey is being beaten every time the long ball is thrown at him. How can a first round corner not be able to win down the field? I'm actually really shocked he had anything other than a 2nd round grade. He's going to lose quite a few games for us this year if hes targeted. If he can't dominate WR's in college how on earth is he going to deal with Julio, Aj and Antonio brown?

We drafted a SS who can pass as an average emergency corner. I tried to give this pick the benefit of the doubt but after watching all of bamas games over the past 48 hours and seeing him being beaten down the field in every game i cannot condone this pick.
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Jacquouille said:
Basically Humphrey has one weakness and it's one we've already corrected in the past so why panick?
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Sami84 said:
It's not always correctable. it's an instinctive thing. His speed is also questionable. I watch him and then i watch Marshon Lattimore , Conley, Sidney jones and even jourdan lewis and It confuses me even more. Those guys play the ball and stick with recievers down the field.

How can anyone make a case for humphrey over those guys?
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Sami84 said:


watch this game. He gives up 3 massive receptions and 2 going for touchdowns. This isn't a one off either..

right now its the fan base rookie honeymoon period, ''we love you, you're great''.

Wouldnt shock me if everyones cussing his name after every sunday by middle of the season..
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the assess marlon humpf topic got raised in the head coaching change thread so thought we'd resurrect it here. sami has hit on several of the humpf problems. and jacko of course is waiving the ozze/humpf banner, chargin into the fray with it. was devastated by the pic but realize its par for the course recently and hope it influences the systemic correction we've been in need of the last 5 years.

so hero or goat humpf is gonna make us a marvelous story this next year and a half. think he could play strong safety, but he ain't no corner.
 
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