The 2022 Offseason Thread

[RavensMania]

it is inevitable

I'm hearing rumors of Hortiz and Jim Harbaugh is heavily rumored to the Giants based on our @Giants56Ravens52 friend.

 

[rossihunter2]

I'm not sure there's room for Roman in today's NFL. With the rule changes, the way college players are being coached and the emphasis on athleticism and big plays in the passing, a coordinator that has below average passing concepts and relies extremely heavily on big play potential from the QB just doesn't seem sustainable.

I mean this year is an outliar because of injuries but we've lost more and more games every year under him with Lamar. Our running game has become less and less effective every year under Roman.

I dont see him having a better opportunity anywhere other than here with us and I don't think it works here. The guy needs to evolve or he's cooked imo

i will point out that we didnt initially hire him as our OC but as the TE coach and that he's still likely going to be a good hire for some staff (if we move on from him) in a positional/run-game coordinator role

 

[Davesta]

If we took an ILB in the first AND another in the third one year and an FB in the 5th the next, we can conclude that EDC have no idea about positional value. This year we will take a punter in the 2nd if we follow thid trend


Partially joking...

touché.

however, that SDSU punter looking mightily with the way Sam Koch been punting this year.. just sayin’

 

[rossihunter2]

I'm hearing rumors of Hortiz and Jim Harbaugh is heavily rumored to the Giants based on our @Giants56Ravens52 friend.

i wouldnt read too much into giants rumours yet - they've only interviewed 1 of the 9 guys they've tapped for interview so far
and while i wouldnt be surprised about harbaugh to the giants idk that the giants would necessarily be his first choice

 

[UPennChem]

i will point out that we didnt initially hire him as our OC but as the TE coach and that he's still likely going to be a good hire for some staff (if we move on from him) in a positional/run-game coordinator role

Agreed, I meant there's no room for him as coordinator. He'd definitely be a great position coach as you said and hell he might even be better HC than OC. We have no idea, it's a completely different job. But I really don't think anyone wants Roman as an OC in today's NFL

 

[Adreme]

because right now there's only humphrey guaranteed to be back next year because averett's a free agent, peters's cap hit is huge and tavon being cut saves like 6m or something

obviously what we do with those 3 guys massively impacts how we feel about the position but also worth noting that even if we keep tavon and MP around - we're still probably looking long-term to get younger - averett was the last young talented guy coming through on the cheap and he's now finished up his rookie deal

and as we saw this year you can never have too many corners

and as we saw in 2017, even if you've got corners you like, there's no downside to adding a blue-chip talent like us adding marlon to basically play backup and rotate in on the outside as a rookie

and you do it for a similar reason to the way we're looking at tackles too - 2 of the 3 highest value non-qb positions with depth qustion marks (as we look at it right now) and starters returning from injuries or with histories of injuries

if BPA is a CB, im not shying away from that pick in the same way that im taking an OT if they're BPA too

at 14 it's likely that there's going to be a high quality prospect available - it's also possible that we dont get to be particularly picky about what position they play - probably the only position we'd be likely to turn down a blue-chip prospect at 14 is a WR and you'd probably be seeing us try and trade out of that pick if that's the last guy left that we rate that high on the board

There is downside though. The downside is you are passing up positions that are glaring needs to get at best a possible wash and save very little. You are not going to find a 1st team all pro at corner for 10 million. That simply does not happen. So basically all that would happen is you would weaken the strength of the team to save money in the hopes that maybe you can sign a 2nd tier aging pass rusher/Dline players to fill the void on defense.

Frankly addressing the gaping hole in the front 7 seems the better alternative and the problems in the interior OLine feel much more pressing than the possible problems at T. Having depth in case of injury sounds great, but that just means that the glaring holes in the roster are going to remain glaring holes that other teams will exploit.

 

[rossihunter2]

There is downside though. The downside is you are passing up positions that are glaring needs to get at best a possible wash and save very little. You are not going to find a 1st team all pro at corner for 10 million. That simply does not happen. So basically all that would happen is you would weaken the strength of the team to save money in the hopes that maybe you can sign a 2nd tier aging pass rusher/Dline players to fill the void on defense.

Frankly addressing the gaping hole in the front 7 seems the better alternative and the problems in the interior OLine feel much more pressing than the possible problems at T. Having depth in case of injury sounds great, but that just means that the glaring holes in the roster are going to remain glaring holes that other teams will exploit.

so if the best 2 players on the board are CB and OT by far - you're suggesting we do what??? pick a worse player at a different position for the short-term filling of needs...

remember that the GM is often thinking about need 2 seasons at a time not just the current season - and through a 2 year period it's likely that most positions on your roster are somewhat of a need

and ideally you dont go into a draft with glaring needs because you manage to find guys to fill roles so you're not forced into dumb decisions

poor franchises panic and reach for need

because you've ignored the fact that we get more than 1 pick in the draft...

if we only picked for need we would have OJ Howard or Juju Smith-Schuster etc. instead of Marlon Humphrey

 

[Tank]

Only if we trade back. I can’t see EDC picking iOL that high. Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t analytic-based drafting put more emphasis on positions. Premium positions are like edges, cbs, and tackles. We all know EDC and the bunch use analytics a ton now lol.

Maybe, but I don’t know how much more evidence is needed to make our FO realize how important a solid anchor is to the O line and the offense in general. Granted it would be outside of the box to take a center so early, but given how we historically want to play the game it seems like a no brainer. Having Tyler could immediately make everyone on the O line better, it would seem that’s exactly what we need.

 

[Adreme]

so if the best 2 players on the board are CB and OT by far - you're suggesting we do what??? pick a worse player at a different position for the short-term filling of needs...

remember that the GM is often thinking about need 2 seasons at a time not just the current season - and through a 2 year period it's likely that most positions on your roster are somewhat of a need

and ideally you dont go into a draft with glaring needs because you manage to find guys to fill roles so you're not forced into dumb decisions

poor franchises panic and reach for need

because you've ignored the fact that we get more than 1 pick in the draft...

if we only picked for need we would have OJ Howard or Juju Smith-Schuster etc. instead of Marlon Humphrey

I would suggest they do what they usually do in said situation: trade down. Tackle is a little more okay because it is not as though the Ravens RT is a world ender but at corner it is simply a bad pick. The board is relative to what you have and if you are set at your starting corners you do not try to force a pick just as if by some miracle Trevor Lawrence was available at the Ravens pick he would not have been the pick. Your high picks are for the present and there is no present need to force a corner into an already strong top end.

 

[rossihunter2]

I would suggest they do what they usually do in said situation: trade down. Tackle is a little more okay because it is not as though the Ravens RT is a world ender but at corner it is simply a bad pick. The board is relative to what you have and if you are set at your starting corners you do not try to force a pick just as if by some miracle Trevor Lawrence was available at the Ravens pick he would not have been the pick. Your high picks are for the present and there is no present need to force a corner into an already strong top end.

high picks are for acquiring high end talent - they're not for plugging holes

i mean i didnt think trevor lawrence was even the best QB prospect in last year's draft let alone best player... and it's also highly unrealistic unless you're picking in the top 5 that a QB is going to be your BPA without you artificially going up and getting them

and in terms of how draft boards work - you dont change grades with need - the grades and the evaluations go on the board and need/value help split ties and stack the board - but need does not govern the board

maybe it's just me but id rather have stars at some positions and middling talent at other positions than trying to fill needs but sacrifice talent to be all-round decent everywhere but not great anywhere

looking back over recent history id say it's pretty clear that 2 of the worst openings to drafts occurred in 2013 and 2015 where we clearly chased needs and ended up with 5 of our 6 early picks between those 2 drafts busting

if a corner is BPA in this class - i think they'd be a great pick for now and for the future
if an offensive tackle is BPA in this class - i think they'd be a great pick for now and for the future
if an EDGE is BPA in this class - i think they'd be a great pick for now and for the future

really the only high value position that i think is completely off the table in round 1 is QB (for obvious reasons)
i think it's highly likely that if a WR were BPA that they'd try and trade back a few spots - but just looking at the class i dont think that's going to be an issue this year (nor is QB lol)

 

[Michael M.]

There is downside though. The downside is you are passing up positions that are glaring needs to get at best a possible wash and save very little. You are not going to find a 1st team all pro at corner for 10 million. That simply does not happen. So basically all that would happen is you would weaken the strength of the team to save money in the hopes that maybe you can sign a 2nd tier aging pass rusher/Dline players to fill the void on defense.

Frankly addressing the gaping hole in the front 7 seems the better alternative and the problems in the interior OLine feel much more pressing than the possible problems at T. Having depth in case of injury sounds great, but that just means that the glaring holes in the roster are going to remain glaring holes that other teams will exploit.

high picks are for acquiring high end talent - they're not for plugging holes

i mean i didnt think trevor lawrence was even the best QB prospect in last year's draft let alone best player... and it's also highly unrealistic unless you're picking in the top 5 that a QB is going to be your BPA without you artificially going up and getting them

and in terms of how draft boards work - you dont change grades with need - the grades and the evaluations go on the board and need/value help split ties and stack the board - but need does not govern the board

maybe it's just me but id rather have stars at some positions and middling talent at other positions than trying to fill needs but sacrifice talent to be all-round decent everywhere but not great anywhere

looking back over recent history id say it's pretty clear that 2 of the worst openings to drafts occurred in 2013 and 2015 where we clearly chased needs and ended up with 5 of our 6 early picks between those 2 drafts busting

if a corner is BPA in this class - i think they'd be a great pick for now and for the future
if an offensive tackle is BPA in this class - i think they'd be a great pick for now and for the future
if an EDGE is BPA in this class - i think they'd be a great pick for now and for the future

really the only high value position that i think is completely off the table in round 1 is QB (for obvious reasons)
i think it's highly likely that if a WR were BPA that they'd try and trade back a few spots - but just looking at the class i dont think that's going to be an issue this year (nor is QB lol)

I think this year more so than recent drafts, BPA is a no brainer. We have so many needs at so many positions EDC almost can't screw it up.

 

[RavensMania]

i wouldnt read too much into giants rumours yet - they've only interviewed 1 of the 9 guys they've tapped for interview so far
and while i wouldnt be surprised about harbaugh to the giants idk that the giants would necessarily be his first choice

I'm not, but I'm getting the information from my NY friend and yes, they have to interview a bunch.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Odd question but the Ravens have 2 first team all pro corners coming back and some of the second string that is under contract played fine before going down; meanwhile the front 7 looks empty so why exactly would DB be the top choice on draft night? I am not sure I would take one in the first 3 rounds.

Maybe a 4th round development pick for 2 years from now as the Ravens are good at that.

The popular media theory is that the ravens wanna move on from Marcus peters, a completely unfounded theory as well, or that our corners are suddenly gonna just keel over and die because they got injured once.

drafting a corner isn’t out of the question at all, it could totally happen for no reason other than we like corners, but the mocks are always justifying it with injuries from this season, as if they’re already injured next season. Shit irks me.

 

[Davesta]

The popular media theory is that the ravens wanna move on from Marcus peters, a completely unfounded theory as well, or that our corners are suddenly gonna just keel over and die because they got injured once.

drafting a corner isn’t out of the question at all, it could totally happen for no reason other than we like corners, but the mocks are always justifying it with injuries from this season, as if they’re already injured next season. Shit irks me.

I pray Andrew Booth falls to us. But I cant see how he gets past the vikings pick. lol

 

[rossihunter2]

The popular media theory is that the ravens wanna move on from Marcus peters, a completely unfounded theory as well, or that our corners are suddenly gonna just keel over and die because they got injured once.

drafting a corner isn’t out of the question at all, it could totally happen for no reason other than we like corners, but the mocks are always justifying it with injuries from this season, as if they’re already injured next season. Shit irks me.

yeah that's dumb
i 100% think we should keep peters
and i also would have no problem drafting a 1st round corner even if we do keep him

part of the problem with some mocks is that they often have to justify why a pick is made with needs etc. when sometimes it really is as simple as... this guy's really good and this team would like to have him

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I pray Andrew Booth falls to us. But I cant see how he gets past the vikings pick. lol

Yeah booth is up there near the top of my board, I don’t see him falling to 14 though

 

[Dom McRaven]

Our running game has become less and less effective every year under Roman.

Well, here's my response. 2019, our running game was immortal averaging an insane 206 rushing yards per game. The second highest rushing yds per average? The 49ers with 144.

2020, we rushed for 191 yds per game while second place rushed for 168 yds. This season doesn't really count as far as I'm concerned since we're dealing with has-beens. Let's call a spade a spade. Freeman and Murray did some good things but they're past their prime. I don't think the running game is the issue with a healthy Gus and Dobbins (mind you, Boyle missed some games too and he's a big piece of our running game).

Going into the 2022 season, I expect our running game to "regress." I put it in quotations because I still think Dobbins and Gus will continue where they left off, but I don't think we'll have as many rushing yards because our passing game should improve so long as our tackle positions get addressed.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

yeah that's dumb
i 100% think we should keep peters
and i also would have no problem drafting a 1st round corner even if we do keep him

part of the problem with some mocks is that they often have to justify why a pick is made with needs etc. when sometimes it really is as simple as... this guy's really good and this team would like to have him

Yeah like maybe just say “it would be stupid for this player to get passed at this point and good nfl teams don’t do that”

funny how it’s always the picks that are justified by “they really needed this position” that draws the most headscratch responses lol

 

[Tank]

The popular media theory is that the ravens wanna move on from Marcus peters, a completely unfounded theory as well, or that our corners are suddenly gonna just keel over and die because they got injured once.

drafting a corner isn’t out of the question at all, it could totally happen for no reason other than we like corners, but the mocks are always justifying it with injuries from this season, as if they’re already injured next season. Shit irks me.

Man I hope Peters comes back with a vengeance. Besides being the ball hawk we lacked this year he immediately became the man when he jumped in the stands and chugged a beer. What more could you want in a corner? lol

 

[JAAM]

Man I hope Peters comes back with a vengeance. Besides being the ball hawk we lacked this year he immediately became the man when he jumped in the stands and chugged a beer. What more could you want in a corner? lol

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Dude is the best lol. I hope we even convert him to Safety at some point if he’s interested. I want him to be here until he’s done