The Random Thought Thread

[rmcjacket23]

Gotta be impressed no matter the team or system cause thats not easy to come across.He dam near had 1200 with us. Most players dnt and will never get that. Shit leaving our team and your stats likely to increase no matter what team you go to lol.

Ehh, sort of.
2021 there were 8 guys over 1,200 yards, 16 guys over 1,100 yards, and 26 guys over 1,000 yards.
2020 there were 7 guys over 1,200 yards, 14 guys over 1,100 yards, and 18 guys over 1,000 yards

In a 17 game season, pretty much every team in the league has a 1,000 yard pass catcher on their roster, and some teams, like the Ravens, had two last year. So it's really not that big of an accomplishment any more.

Furthermore, in a 17 game season, you had 10 QBs over 4,000 passing yards, and over half at 3,500+ passing yards. With that level of volume and yardage by a QB, its extremely difficult to NOT have a 1,200-1,300 yard receiver. I would bet you'll see at least a dozen receivers over 1,200 yards this year, and with at least half the QBs having over 500 attempts, I think the majority of them will have a receiver that does that.

Gotta realize, at this point, 1,200 yard season is 70 yards a game. It's a lot, but it's really not, when you consider you've got close to half the league averaging 250 passing yards a game.

 

[Deebo813]

Ehh, sort of.
2021 there were 8 guys over 1,200 yards, 16 guys over 1,100 yards, and 26 guys over 1,000 yards.
2020 there were 7 guys over 1,200 yards, 14 guys over 1,100 yards, and 18 guys over 1,000 yards

In a 17 game season, pretty much every team in the league has a 1,000 yard pass catcher on their roster, and some teams, like the Ravens, had two last year. So it's really not that big of an accomplishment any more.

Furthermore, in a 17 game season, you had 10 QBs over 4,000 passing yards, and over half at 3,500+ passing yards. With that level of volume and yardage by a QB, its extremely difficult to NOT have a 1,200-1,300 yard receiver. I would bet you'll see at least a dozen receivers over 1,200 yards this year, and with at least half the QBs having over 500 attempts, I think the majority of them will have a receiver that does that.

Gotta realize, at this point, 1,200 yard season is 70 yards a game. It's a lot, but it's really not, when you consider you've got close to half the league averaging 250 passing yards a game.

no matter how you break down to yourself, 1200 yards is no easy task bro.. mike evans is basically a hof wr simply by getting 1000-1200 yards every season since he been in nfl. Josh allen throws the ball every play and all diggs only had 1200.. aj brown and dk didnt even break 1k this season.. this was samuel 1st time breaking 1k just like hollywood.. If bateman breaks the 1200 mark, thats all we gonna hear about

 

[purplepittabread88]

my 50th birthday one of my friends bought me a 50 jersey with my last name on it. I wore it for a while, but prefer the ones with names on it. Now my go to jersey is a Lamar Jackson black jersey I bought in 2018.

I think it's pretty safe to say that Lamar Jackson is going to be a Raven for a long time. You could also get a Mark Andrews jersey, since he did just get a new contract.

IMO the ravens royal purple looks kinda strange on lighter skin - and somehow always makes you look fat. My black marlon is what I have been rocking since he changed to 44 and what I will continue for a while

 

[rmcjacket23]

no matter how you break down to yourself, 1200 yards is no easy task bro.. mike evans is basically a hof wr simply by getting 1000-1200 yards every season since he been in nfl. Josh allen throws the ball every play and all diggs only had 1200.. aj brown and dk didnt even break 1k this season.. this was samuel 1st time breaking 1k just like hollywood.. If bateman breaks the 1200 mark, thats all we gonna hear about

Well I didn't say it was an easy task. I said it's not that infrequent any more and I don't really consider it to be a tremendous accomplishment. If 8-10 players a year can do it, it's not like stupid hard.
Your examples kind of make my point for me though. AJ Brown didn't have 1,200 yards because he missed a quarter of the season, not because of lack of volume or output. I'd say its incredibly difficult to have 1,200 yards in 13 games, which is what you'd be asking him to do. Had 3-4 more games to his resume, and tell me how many yards he'd have?
And you picked two WRs on two of the heaviest running teams in the entire league, which is my entire point. Increase the passing volume of those offenses, and guess what happens to high-end WR production?

Sound familiar? We just described what happens when Hollywood goes from the Ravens to the Cardinals. It's not rocket science. It's the same player... he's just in an offense that throws more.

You won't be hearing much from me about Bateman cracking the 1,200 yard mark out of me if it doesn't translate into winning more games. Andrews beat that easily last year, and we didn't make the playoffs. I'm not out here slobbering all over him this year now am I. People can slobber over what stat lines they want to, but it doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't translate up the score board.

 

[RavensMania]

And that's fine. But in the context of a GM evaluation... why would Eric get credit for a player he drafted doing better on another team than this one? How does that make him, or the organization, look good?

And no, Hollywood wasn't a bad pick.

what??? When did I ever say that Eric should get credit if Hollywood plays better on another team.

 

[rmcjacket23]

what??? When did I ever say that Eric should get credit if Hollywood plays better on another team.

You didn't. But then why are we discussing how well Hollywood does on another team at all then if it has no bearing on the context of whether Eric is a good GM or not?
How are the two things related?

 

[Deebo813]

Well I didn't say it was an easy task. I said it's not that infrequent any more and I don't really consider it to be a tremendous accomplishment. If 8-10 players a year can do it, it's not like stupid hard.
Your examples kind of make my point for me though. AJ Brown didn't have 1,200 yards because he missed a quarter of the season, not because of lack of volume or output. I'd say its incredibly difficult to have 1,200 yards in 13 games, which is what you'd be asking him to do. Had 3-4 more games to his resume, and tell me how many yards he'd have?
And you picked two WRs on two of the heaviest running teams in the entire league, which is my entire point. Increase the passing volume of those offenses, and guess what happens to high-end WR production?

Sound familiar? We just described what happens when Hollywood goes from the Ravens to the Cardinals. It's not rocket science. It's the same player... he's just in an offense that throws more.

You won't be hearing much from me about Bateman cracking the 1,200 yard mark out of me if it doesn't translate into winning more games. Andrews beat that easily last year, and we didn't make the playoffs. I'm not out here slobbering all over him this year now am I. People can slobber over what stat lines they want to, but it doesn't mean a thing if it doesn't translate up the score board.

Idk where we went this but i initially was implying that hollywood wasnt and isnt a bust so far.. eric didnt get it wrong by selecting hollywood instead of the other guys

 

[rmcjacket23]

Idk where we went this but i initially was implying that hollywood wasnt and isnt a bust so far.. eric didnt get it wrong by selecting hollywood instead of the other guys

Well I don't think anybody thinks he's a bust. There's an argument to be made that there were better receivers in that draft class than Hollywood that were taken after him. I personally would rather have AJ Brown than Hollywood, and I think most GM's would agree. Brown being the first WR taken in that draft class, and I don't think he's the best from that draft class. But I think its kind of semantics.

In the context of this discussion, my point was that it's fair to say that the pick wasn't a great one. Less to do with who we didn't pick, and more to do with the fact that he only played three years then was traded away. The latter part isn't good any way you break it down. I don't think its unreasonable to expect your first round pick, in pretty much any year, to last for more than three years, and probably should expect a long term extension for them at a very high rate. Honestly the why he got traded, the how, etc. kind of doesn't matter. It's simply the fact that you've got a first round pick who only played three years here, and wasn't overly spectacular for at least 1-1.5 years of that. Wasn't bad, just wasn't like high-end-in-the-league level.

And in this context, the question becomes "ok, is he your best draft pick over like a 3-4 year period". If he is, I don't think that's a ringing endorsement for the GM.

 

[rossihunter2]

Hollywood wasnt a bad pick at all.. dk would not be dk with us.. we 100% wouldnt have used samuel the way shannhon uses him..im sure both samuel and dk wouldve requested a trade just like hollywood did.. i think aj brown would be a monster with us tbh..

All hollywood has to do is get 1200-1300 yards with cards, which is possible and people gonna start ranking him differently

people forget that fit matters

i think i had hollywood, aj brown and deebo as the top 3 WRs in that class for the ravens in that order

and if lamar plays 17 games last year, i think hollywood hits 1200 yds last year fairly easily... if you extrapolated his yds/game from the games lamar played you're looking at 1275 yds over those 17 games (interestingly his catches and targets are pretty similar if you extrapolate... his yards per reception with lamar was around 13 whereas with huntley it was barely over 7)

 

[rmcjacket23]

people forget that fit matters

i think i had hollywood, aj brown and deebo as the top 3 WRs in that class for the ravens in that order

and if lamar plays 17 games last year, i think hollywood hits 1200 yds last year fairly easily... if you extrapolated his yds/game from the games lamar played you're looking at 1275 yds over those 17 games (interestingly his catches and targets are pretty similar if you extrapolate... his yards per reception with lamar was around 13 whereas with huntley it was barely over 7)

I certainly think it matters. I'm just not certain that Hollywood was/is nearly as good of a fit for this offense as we thought he should have been, and I think there are several receivers in this league who would play well anywhere. And I think AJ Brown is one of them. And I don't think Deebo is one of them.

 

[rossihunter2]

I certainly think it matters. I'm just not certain that Hollywood was/is nearly as good of a fit for this offense as we thought he should have been, and I think there are several receivers in this league who would play well anywhere. And I think AJ Brown is one of them. And I don't think Deebo is one of them.

looking at how their careers have gone and how this offence has evolved i think it's pretty clear that aj brown would have been the guy in hindsight

 

[RavensMania]

You didn't. But then why are we discussing how well Hollywood does on another team at all then if it has no bearing on the context of whether Eric is a good GM or not?
How are the two things related?

that wasn't me. I'm not the one that brought the 1200 to 1300 yards up.

Why don't you go back and find out who said that.

 

[rmcjacket23]

that wasn't me. I'm not the one that brought the 1200 to 1300 yards up.

OK, but you were the one that brought up how one person playing differently for another team is significant, which I don't see why it matters or how it's applicable to a discussion of evaluating GMs

 

[Deebo813]

OK, but you were the one that brought up how one person playing differently for another team is significant, which I don't see why it matters or how it's applicable to a discussion of evaluating GMs

Hollywood gonna do the same stuff he did over here , over there.. except he gonna get more opportunities and its gonna look like we didnt use him correctly.. only difference is that he is in a pass first offense.. but guess what? Media, fake ass experts and everyone outside of raven fans gonna say our gm was dumb for trading him, lamar cant throw like kyler, our OC suck, lamar suck and all that other bs.. dnt matter if its accurate or not, these are things that usually happens when a player get traded and he either do better or worse.

 

[RavensMania]

OK, but you were the one that brought up how one person playing differently for another team is significant, which I don't see why it matters or how it's applicable to a discussion of evaluating GMs

Wrong again....... I never said that either, but I did respond to the person that did say that.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Wrong again....... I never said that either, but I did respond to the person that did say that.

OK, I guess those are dramatically different things then lol

 

[rmcjacket23]

Hollywood gonna do the same stuff he did over here , over there.. except he gonna get more opportunities and its gonna look like we didnt use him correctly.. only difference is that he is in a pass first offense.. but guess what? Media, fake ass experts and everyone outside of raven fans gonna say our gm was dumb for trading him, lamar cant throw like kyler, our OC suck, lamar suck and all that other bs.. dnt matter if its accurate or not, these are things that usually happens when a player get traded and he either do better or worse.

No its going to look like he's a good but not great player that went to an offense that throws it more.
They'll say our GM was dumb for trading him if a) Hollywood plays unbelievably better and b) Linderbaum sucks. If Linderbaum is great, it kind of doesn't matter.
They will also obviously criticize the trade if our passing game suffers from a lack of weapons, which is possible. But that'll be short-term criticism.

Conversely, Eric's already gotten praise for the trade because analysts think he got better value than others did (which he did). And he'll get more praise for it if a) Hollywood doesn't play well or b) he gets injured.

 

[RavensMania]

OK, I guess those are dramatically different things then lol

it is different absolutely dramatically different. All I said is " Just because a player is great on one team doesn't mean he is going to be near that player on another team." I never even implied that EDC's grade should be part of the GM evaluation.

As a matter of fact, all of these GM opinions are just that, opinions. He had one come out earlier in the year that had him in the top 3. Again, it's just an opinion and means nothing.

 

[RavensMania]

No its going to look like he's a good but not great player that went to an offense that throws it more.
They'll say our GM was dumb for trading him if a) Hollywood plays unbelievably better and b) Linderbaum sucks. If Linderbaum is great, it kind of doesn't matter.
They will also obviously criticize the trade if our passing game suffers from a lack of weapons, which is possible. But that'll be short-term criticism.

Conversely, Eric's already gotten praise for the trade because analysts think he got better value than others did (which he did). And he'll get more praise for it if a) Hollywood doesn't play well or b) he gets injured.

they can criticize the trade as much as they want, because none of that matters. Besides, EDC has received more praise for the value he received back in return from the trade than criticism.

I don't care what other people think and you shouldn't either.

 

[rmcjacket23]

they can criticize the trade as much as they want, because none of that matters. Besides, EDC has received more praise for the value he received back in return from the trade than criticism.

I don't care what other people think and you shouldn't either.

I mean... you clearly do care. Spending large quantities of time posting on fan message boards, and discussing opinions and topics with other people, is literally the textbook definition of the phrase "I care what other people think". And to be an Administrator of said site is literally one notch above even caring a little bit.

Nothing that's said by you, me, or anybody else actually "matters". We have no power to do anything. But if we didn't care, we wouldn't be here, now would we?