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The 2023 Offseason Thread

gtalk12 said:
I want an OC that isn't going to rely on Lamar Jackson running. That should be his secret weapon and a well he decides to tap into. Last year Lamar started off hot throwing the ball but due to all those injuries and lack of run game he had to also take the ground game over the top.

That's alot imo. You have a QB that is tapping into 1k rush territory year in and year out barring injury.
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yes. that's why we need depth. Our RB depth right now:
1. Lamar Jackson
2.JK Dobbins
3. Gus Edwards
4. Kenyan Drake
 
rmcjacket23 said:
And in addition, I'm probably the lone wolf on this, but if I'm Lamar, there's two things I absolutely don't want to see happen in the next 12 months...
1. I don't want to see other QBs sign deals that aren't fully gtd or are in-line with contracts like Wilson/Murray. Guys like Burrow and Herbert will sign for more in terms of AAV than those guys, but what % is gtd and what it looks like will be critical for Lamar.
2. I don't want Watson to play shitty.

If both of those things happen, Lamar loses a ton of leverage both with the Ravens and with the league itself.
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No you're right on this one. Lamar has the leverage right now but it can flip in an instant. Which is why I hope for his sake that the people in his corner are smart enough to tell him when to say yes. Don't blame him for not accepting the offer we know about for now, but hope he's not steadfast in his approach where he fucks himself over.
 
rossihunter2 said:
and completely self-inflicted...
they gave all that money to a QB who hadnt played football for a year and then was suspended for nearly a season

lots of players dont come back the same when they voluntarily skip out on seasons
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Andrew Berry put his job on the line for that move and it's not looking good. You know other GMs are paying attention.
 
rossihunter2 said:
that is a dramatic oversimplification

even in a year with not many picks and not a ton of money, you have more than just your 1st round pick to add players

and also not particularly true to say Linderbaum struggled in pass pro - he struggled against 6 of the biggest tests in the league for a C on some reps and needs to clean up some of his stunt/twist reads - but he was mostly a pretty steady pass protector and was largely put in pretty difficult blocking situations because the ravens would often leave Powers as the free man vs a 4 man rush and not Linderbaum

i think it's also fairly likely that the CB/EDGE vs WR grade difference at 22 may be too enormous to reasonably justify a reach...
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Yeah. Tough division to deal with DL. He held his own and players usually have a big jump year 1 to 2. Expect him to only get stronger and better. Tyler is the least of my concerns.
BoredMarine13 said:


The fanaticism/apocalyptic approach some fans have to Lamar is getting old. I honestly feel really good about the direction of the team if we sign him long term or trade for a boat load of picks.
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Said from last off season I didn't expect him back long term and this was my thinking as well. Whichever route they go just build properly. Please, whoever we have back there, upgrade the weapons for the current or next guy under center.
 
redrum52 said:
Yeah. Tough division to deal with DL. He held his own and players usually have a big jump year 1 to 2. Expect him to only get stronger and better. Tyler is the least of my concerns.


Said from last off season I didn't expect him back long term and this was my thinking as well. Whichever route they go just build properly. Please, whoever we have back there, upgrade the weapons for the current or next guy under center.
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It's almost like Ravens fans aren't aloud to cape for their own guy.
 
redrum52 said:
Yeah. Tough division to deal with DL. He held his own and players usually have a big jump year 1 to 2. Expect him to only get stronger and better. Tyler is the least of my concerns.


Said from last off season I didn't expect him back long term and this was my thinking as well. Whichever route they go just build properly. Please, whoever we have back there, upgrade the weapons for the current or next guy under center.
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not specifically just the division - it was the out of division schedule too in year 1 that was insane also
 
rossihunter2 said:
not specifically just the division - it was the out of division schedule too in year 1 that was insane also
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Exactly. Faced an absurd amount of good interior lineman and ifnyiu didn't know whouldnhave no idea he was a rookie. The only play really standing out to me might have been a high snap but can't remember if it was on him or the the qb just didn't catch it.
 
rossihunter2 said:
because when kirk cousins signed his first deal with the vikings he was the highest paid QB in the league and it was a fully guaranteed deal
that's why it's relevant - the last 2 "franchise" QBs to hit the "open" market have both got fully guaranteed contracts from other teams...
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2 or 3 years, not 5 or 6.
 
All this Kirk Cousins talk seems like a notch in Lamars belt. Cousins hadn't done shit up that point to earn a fully guaranteed deal let alone another extension. Which like Ive thought if Lamar hits the market is most likely getting whatever deal he wants.

Also don't think Lamar wants a long term deal(5+ years) but what do I know.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I agree with the second paragraph, but that's only because the presumption is he'll be good, healthy, etc. for at least a substantial portion of the early contract. The Owner doesn't want to be the guy that finds out that Deshaun Watson, in fact, has regressed badly, and is replacement level, in year 2-3 of a 5 year fully gtd extension.

Lamar ain't signing the 10 year that Mahomes did. Very few ever do that. But a 5-6 year contract is very much in play. At least 4 years is pretty much the norm. Most do 5.
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Let's say they do 5.

Years 1 & 2 will be guaranteed for all good QBs, so we can take them out of the picture - it's only Years 3, 4 and 5 where it's worth discussing the difference between fully guaranteed vs conventional QB contracts.

The worst case scenario is career ending injury for Lamar within the first 2 years. The Ravens would pay for 3 additional years of injury vs. a conventional QB contract.
For every QB, the current season is guaranteed, so a Y3 career-ender would mean 2 additional years of cost, a Y4 would mean 1 additional year and Y5 would be a wash because every QB is guaranteed.

So an early career ending injury, the nightmare scenario on a fully gtd deal, would result in a max. of 3 additional lean cap years where it's hard to compete- but it is quite an unlikely scenario.

That should be weighed against the far higher likelihood that the Ravens will struggle to compete if they lose their star QB and have to find a replacement. (And the draft picks we have to pour into that quest should be weighed against any trade compensation.)

The second worst result would be a severe, but not career-ending injury, that reduces Lamar's effectiveness.

In this case, the gap between a fully gtd deal and every other QB contract is narrower. Every team is going to keep hold of their star QB while he recovers, and they're going to give them every chance to play themselves back into form. Over that time, QBs with conventional contracts are going to trigger some of their current year guarantees anyway. That scenario is unlikely to leave the Ravens more than 2 years of salary worse off than without a fully Gtd deal.

The other risk is that Lamar's play declines and the Ravens want to cut him for performance reasons. That's a risk you take with all contracts but there are never enough QBs. There are always teams who believe they can revive the careers of struggling QBs (eg Wentz). The Ravens would be able to trade Lamar and get out from his contract fairly easily.

A 4 year deal would lessen all these risks but be less cap friendly.
 
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