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The 2023 Offseason Thread

UPennChem said:
Adding on to how Monken may effect personnel, Ben Cleveland was an outstanding RG under Monken his last year at UGA. Maybe BC gets the nod at LG this year after Powers walks.
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completely depends on what he wants to do with this running game
but if he wants to anchor the running game on the left side behind Cleveland and Stanley with Zeit pulling then that would make sense somewhat

not sure how much i love Moses on the backside but that could be something if we wanna continue to run power with Cleveland at LG

honestly though id be surprised if we arent just running a bit of everything in the running game

LG competition is one of the bigger ones - but with Ronnie and Linderbaum either side of whoever this LG is, they should be fine
 
Deebo813 said:
You cant mention edwards being an udfa but then bring up murry, who was a draft pick and looked terrible in our system. Rbs are valuable or atleast were in our system with roman and thats a fact..
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lol - Gus being udfa is great and all - but we've seen that you cant just plug and play any random back in the system

Gus is a udfa - but he's clearly a good RB (or at least was before his injuries)
 
QtR Nevermore said:
Cleveland has been better in pass protection than as a run blocker, so maybe he'll fit better in Monken's scheme. Also I like the idea of two huge Guards to protect the smaller Linderbaum, that's how Philly always does it with Kelce.

That'd be the best outcome, but Cleveland will need to step up his game to become a better option than Mekari for that position. I have hope he will. The Ravens are quite good at developing/improving interior O line.
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I haven’t been a fan of Cleveland at all so far, but I have seen development in his game and reasons to think he’s due to step up soon. Dude has crazy physical gifts with his length and core strength and he’s got a way of winning in unorthodox ways, like awful form but still winning just lunging late at guys in pass pro. If he just keeps getting better with timing and balance and what not, he could still turn into something good.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I'd argue they're less valuable. The fact that you can plug Gus Edwards in, who was an UDFA, and still run the ball effectively, means that RBs aren't individually important.

You need somebody better than Latavius Murray or LeVeon Bell out there, but you don't need prime Adrian Peterson. If we like Dobbins, just draft another Dobbins every 3-4 years. There's guys like him in every single draft class.

Or you can be like the Cowboys. Heavy usage of your stud RB for the first four years, then extend him, and like two years into the extension you wake up and realize "o fuck, you mean if I give a RB 250-300+ touches every year, after five or six years, he'll hit a glaring obvious decline"? Now I've got a $12M dead money cap hit (minimum) for the second best RB on his own team, AND you want to franchise tag the better one.

Hard pass. Draft somebody on day 2 every 3-4 years, run them into the ground, cut them, rinse repeat.
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I’m down with bijan this year if he’s somehow available after a trade back. Hard to think he’ll be the best option at 22 but 28-36ish… I mean how many players are slam dunk bets to contribute as much as bijan would in that 4-5 year span, how much cap space and roster value we’d gain, how many drives he would extend, how many red zone appearances turn to TDs just because he’s a baller and makes a play that others can’t. The more I think about it the more I’m good with it. I wanna keep running the ball and use more screens, and I want studs at RB, I’ve seen in recent years that they make such a big difference, they’ve been underrated by football.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
I’m down with bijan this year if he’s somehow available after a trade back. Hard to think he’ll be the best option at 22 but 28-36ish… I mean how many players are slam dunk bets to contribute as much as bijan would in that 4-5 year span, how much cap space and roster value we’d gain, how many drives he would extend, how many red zone appearances turn to TDs just because he’s a baller and makes a play that others can’t. The more I think about it the more I’m good with it. I wanna keep running the ball and use more screens, and I want studs at RB, I’ve seen in recent years that they make such a big difference, they’ve been underrated by football.
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Yep.. without even checking id bet the top 5 rushers every year are most likely drafted between rnds 1-2.. those later rnd guys are serviceable just like later rnd qbs but they likely are never in the running for being the best in the nfl nor are they usually consistent. rbs have a short nfl career and thats why i think theyre underrated.. but thinking you can consistently get one in later rnds that can perform like 1st or 2nd rnders is just simply not possible.
 
Deebo813 said:
Yep.. without even checking id bet the top 5 rushers every year are most likely drafted between rnds 1-2.. those later rnd guys are serviceable just like later rnd qbs but they likely are never in the running for being the best in the nfl nor are they usually consistent. rbs have a short nfl career and thats why i think theyre underrated.. but thinking you can consistently get one in later rnds that can perform like 1st or 2nd rnders is just simply not possible.
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Top 5 rushers in terms of what? total rushing yards? That's not a stat people use to measure effectiveness. It's more a product of volume.
In 2022, who do you think the top 5 rushers were in terms of yards/carry? Without looking, I'd be shocked if you could get one of the top five right.

Khalil Herbert, Aaron Jones, Tony Pollard, Travis Etienne and Nick Chubb. I'll add in Rhamondre Stevenson too, because he's one of the 6 who averaged 5 yards a carry.
Of that group, one first rounder, one second rounder, two fourth rounders, a 5th and a 6th rounder.

Not to mention that the TEAMS that were most effective at running the ball almost universally applied some sort of committee of running backs (and QBs) to make it happen. Bears, Ravens, Falcons, Giants, Eagles, among others.

Carolina was basically as effective at running the ball as SF and Dallas were, and there's a wide talent gap among RBs on those teams.

The point is they don't need to perform like 1st or 2nd rounders, because there's no correlation between 1st and 2nd round RBs and winning football games, which is kind of the point of all of it. If I can get a RB in the 4th round who can do 80% of what a 1st rounder can (and they very, very, very frequently can), AND I can do that consistently enough that I'll never have to pay market value for a RB, that's what they should be striving for.
 


Injuries have been pretty bad for a little while. This is ONLY acl tears.

We have more ACL tears in the last 5 years than 14 teams have had in the last 10. We're 4th worst in thr league with respect to acl tears in the last decade.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Top 5 rushers in terms of what? total rushing yards? That's not a stat people use to measure effectiveness. It's more a product of volume.
In 2022, who do you think the top 5 rushers were in terms of yards/carry? Without looking, I'd be shocked if you could get one of the top five right.

Khalil Herbert, Aaron Jones, Tony Pollard, Travis Etienne and Nick Chubb. I'll add in Rhamondre Stevenson too, because he's one of the 6 who averaged 5 yards a carry.
Of that group, one first rounder, one second rounder, two fourth rounders, a 5th and a 6th rounder.

Not to mention that the TEAMS that were most effective at running the ball almost universally applied some sort of committee of running backs (and QBs) to make it happen. Bears, Ravens, Falcons, Giants, Eagles, among others.

Carolina was basically as effective at running the ball as SF and Dallas were, and there's a wide talent gap among RBs on those teams.

The point is they don't need to perform like 1st or 2nd rounders, because there's no correlation between 1st and 2nd round RBs and winning football games, which is kind of the point of all of it. If I can get a RB in the 4th round who can do 80% of what a 1st rounder can (and they very, very, very frequently can), AND I can do that consistently enough that I'll never have to pay market value for a RB, that's what they should be striving for.
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Tbh i wouldve gotten 3 out of 5 right lol. Chubb avgs 5 dam near every year, and i believe aaron jones is always one of the best in ypc and i wouldnt be surprised if pollard was #1.. i wouldve said gus edwards also because i remember at one point he actually was the only rb to avg 5 yrds carry in his first 4 seasons( so that means arron jones mustve went atleast one season without 5ypc)….with that being said most those guys other than maybe chubb, dont get as many carries as guys like jacobs and henry. those guys arent doing 80% of nothing neither lol maybe like %60..you see what cmc got traded for? You think thats only a 20% difference in talent level between him and guys like pachio and walker?

Also, there probably isnt any correlation to one specific reasoning on what it takes to win football games anyway but im sure there is correlation to the ones thats most likely to be the top rushers in nfl and i wouldnt be surprised if there are only a few of them in hof outside of terrell davis and bo jackson( who was really drafted 1st ovr)
 
UPennChem said:


Injuries have been pretty bad for a little while. This is ONLY acl tears.

We have more ACL tears in the last 5 years than 14 teams have had in the last 10. We're 4th worst in thr league with respect to acl tears in the last decade.
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we didn't have any last year.
 
Deebo813 said:
Tbh i wouldve gotten 3 out of 5 right lol. Chubb avgs 5 dam near every year, and i believe aaron jones is always one of the best in ypc and i wouldnt be surprised if pollard was #1.. i wouldve said gus edwards also because i remember at one point he actually was the only rb to avg 5 yrds carry in his first 4 seasons( so that means arron jones mustve went atleast one season without 5ypc)….with that being said most those guys other than maybe chubb, dont get as many carries as guys like jacobs and henry. those guys arent doing 80% of nothing neither lol maybe like %60..you see what cmc got traded for? You think thats only a 20% difference in talent level between him and guys like pachio and walker?

Also, there probably isnt any correlation to one specific reasoning on what it takes to win football games anyway but im sure there is correlation to the ones thats most likely to be the top rushers in nfl and i wouldnt be surprised if there are only a few of them in hof outside of terrell davis and bo jackson( who was really drafted 1st ovr)
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there are actually lots
 
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