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Deebo813

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Davesta said:
It’s the fact that teams made it public their disinterests of Lamar. It’s one thing to not be in on him and not say anything. It’s the fact that they all came out and said it, within an hour of the tag announcement. Just felt coordinated. They wanted to send a message to every player.. “we ain’t doing that fully guarantee bullshit.” lol
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Yep and thats all it is!!
 
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Adreme

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Davesta said:
It’s the fact that teams made it public their disinterests of Lamar. It’s one thing to not be in on him and not say anything. It’s the fact that they all came out and said it, within an hour of the tag announcement. Just felt coordinated. They wanted to send a message to every player.. “we ain’t doing that fully guarantee bullshit.” lol
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I think the only team that did it publicly was the Falcons. Everyone else basically did it through sources. I think the Dolphins may have also been public but they needed to be to keep their current QB happy. Panthers, Commanders, and Raiders were all anonymous sources, though the Raiders literally cannot afford Lamar.
 
UPennChem

UPennChem

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Jeff Z is really down on the whole situation. Keeps insinuating that bridges have kinda been burned and this nonexclusive is another thing to add to that.

He's said multiple times things like at best 50 50 to return, don't come looking to me for optimism, burned bridges etc

Why is he acting like this?
 
gtalk12

gtalk12

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UPennChem said:
Jeff Z is really down on the whole situation. Keeps insinuating that bridges have kinda been burned and this nonexclusive is another thing to add to that.

He's said multiple times things like at best 50 50 to return, don't come looking to me for optimism, burned bridges etc

Why is he acting like this?
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He’s probably tired of talking about. When both sides have been very hush about it.

Almost all dialogue at this point has been had based on speculation
 
BoredMarine13

BoredMarine13

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UPennChem said:
Jeff Z is really down on the whole situation. Keeps insinuating that bridges have kinda been burned and this nonexclusive is another thing to add to that.

He's said multiple times things like at best 50 50 to return, don't come looking to me for optimism, burned bridges etc

Why is he acting like this?
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I’m glad you brought that up. Idk why he is acting like a little bitch but i noticed it to
 
rmcjacket23

rmcjacket23

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UPennChem said:
Jeff Z is really down on the whole situation. Keeps insinuating that bridges have kinda been burned and this nonexclusive is another thing to add to that.

He's said multiple times things like at best 50 50 to return, don't come looking to me for optimism, burned bridges etc

Why is he acting like this?
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I mean that was my first thought when discussions of tagging him began. Basically, the Ravens potentially fucked him out of $13-14M. If nobody else signs an offer sheet, he either plays for the Ravens or sits out.

Honestly, if Lamar doesn't get offer sheets better than the Ravens, and he wants to hold his position, I'm sitting out all of the offseason program, and I'm 100% making it known that I won't be signing here long term. If Lamar is willing to play this out until 2025, he can, and the Ravens can't stop him. Even trading him after he declares he's out becomes challenging, because he needs an extension in place with any team in order for that team to acquire him. Otherwise, he's just a one year rental, which massively drives down his trade value.

Under the exclusive tag, Lamar basically has nothing to bitch about. Gets a one year contract very close to market value, fully gtd. Gets paid heaps whether he plays well, plays like shit, or gets injured.

Under the non-exclusive tag, he's playing below market value for the 6th straight year. Admitting we have no real idea what market value is, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he's worth more than $32M a year on the open market.
 
UPennChem

UPennChem

Hall of Famer
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean that was my first thought when discussions of tagging him began. Basically, the Ravens potentially fucked him out of $13-14M. If nobody else signs an offer sheet, he either plays for the Ravens or sits out.

Honestly, if Lamar doesn't get offer sheets better than the Ravens, and he wants to hold his position, I'm sitting out all of the offseason program, and I'm 100% making it known that I won't be signing here long term. If Lamar is willing to play this out until 2025, he can, and the Ravens can't stop him. Even trading him after he declares he's out becomes challenging, because he needs an extension in place with any team in order for that team to acquire him. Otherwise, he's just a one year rental, which massively drives down his trade value.

Under the exclusive tag, Lamar basically has nothing to bitch about. Gets a one year contract very close to market value, fully gtd. Gets paid heaps whether he plays well, plays like shit, or gets injured.

Under the non-exclusive tag, he's playing below market value for the 6th straight year. Admitting we have no real idea what market value is, but it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out he's worth more than $32M a year on the open market.
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And this is totally rational thought. Speculative for only the reason that we haven't heard anything from Lamar. Like who knows, there could be a version of the world where Lamar is appreciative of the accelerated opportunity to determine his market.

All that being said, Jeff's kinda acting like a bitch rn
 
UPennChem

UPennChem

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Rapsheet insinuating yet again that Lamar is simply not responding to EDC. Apparently the Ravens have tried many different contract structures and Lamar wants exactly one thing and isn't doing any actual negotiating.
 
JO_75

JO_75

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UPennChem said:
Rapsheet insinuating yet again that Lamar is simply not responding to EDC. Apparently the Ravens have tried many different contract structures and Lamar wants exactly one thing and isn't doing any actual negotiating.
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Um... that contradicts the reports that EDC went down to Miami to meet with Lamar to get a deal done.
 
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Michael M.

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rmcjacket23 said:
Ehh, I don't see it as an option.

We're going to see what market value is this year. I suppose if Lamar plays fabulous and wins like SB MVP, its an option, but short of that, we're going to find out what market value is this year. If we can't come to terms on an agreement this year, I'm probably just tagging and trading next year.
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Might he sit out the year?
 
rmcjacket23

rmcjacket23

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Michael M. said:
Might he sit out the year?
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Sure. If he wants to piss away $32M, and have his FA period tolled (meaning he could be tagged again in '24 and '25). That shit never works. LeVeon Bell did it, and he was a fool for doing it.

He'll do whatever everybody else does. He'll sit out pretty much the whole offseason, have his team bitch and gripe about it, then sign the tag a couple weeks before and post for week 1.
 
BoredMarine13

BoredMarine13

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rmcjacket23 said:
Sure. If he wants to piss away $32M, and have his FA period tolled (meaning he could be tagged again in '24 and '25). That shit never works. LeVeon Bell did it, and he was a fool for doing it.

He'll do whatever everybody else does. He'll sit out pretty much the whole offseason, have his team bitch and gripe about it, then sign the tag a couple weeks before and post for week 1.
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Yes it won’t work for him but it would also fuck us if he’s feeling petty. We’d be rolling with Huntley or a bridge Qb, basically wasting a season.
 
rmcjacket23

rmcjacket23

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BoredMarine13 said:
Yes it won’t work for him but it would also fuck us if he’s feeling petty. We’d be rolling with Huntley or a bridge Qb, basically wasting a season.
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Sure, but that's the risk you take. If he doesn't want to play, that's fine. I'll gladly let the season play out to figure out where this is going to end.

He sits out = its a divorce. Everybody knows it, and everybody can plan for it.
 
cobrajet

cobrajet

Hall of Famer
rmcjacket23 said:
Sure. If he wants to piss away $32M, and have his FA period tolled (meaning he could be tagged again in '24 and '25). That shit never works. LeVeon Bell did it, and he was a fool for doing it.

He'll do whatever everybody else does. He'll sit out pretty much the whole offseason, have his team bitch and gripe about it, then sign the tag a couple weeks before and post for week 1.
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Yep, and if I was EDC I would let it be known that I am not waiting around in free agency because we got holes to fill, especially at WR. I love Lamar, but he needs to make up his mind. I personally think he has a good offer from the Ravens on the table. Does he want to be a Raven or not? Pittsburgh fans hated that LeVeon Bell bullshit and the Steelers survived without him.
 
cobrajet

cobrajet

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BoredMarine13 said:
Yes it won’t work for him but it would also fuck us if he’s feeling petty. We’d be rolling with Huntley or a bridge Qb, basically wasting a season.
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The Rams lost Trent Green in the preseason and won a Lombardi with someone from the ArenaFootball League. The 49ers went to the NFC Championship Game riding Mr. irrelevant! I think Huntley is better than Tony Banks, all we need is to find a Trent Dilfer baby! Maybe we go to the Super Bowl this season with Stetson Bennett? Fuck it! Go Ravens!
 
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