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Lamar Jackson

UPennChem said:
To me Allen is just so ridiculously up and down. Far to inconsistent to be considered elite. Elite guys don't go 4 game stretches playing like ass, even if they put out some absolutely magical performances too.

To me, Josh Allen is prime Joe Flacco + because of his athleticism. Flacco would've been around a top 10 QB in his prime. Allen is probably in 5-10 range, but certainly not elite.
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i think allen has, across the season, been the 2nd best QB in the NFL - the only thing he's had issues with is some turnovers - if we're not gonna penalise lamar for early season fumbles then hard to penalise allen for early season interceptions

he and lamar are also the only 2 guys in the league, who when they're on their game, have a higher ceiling than mahomes because of what they can do as 2 way quarterbacks
 
allblackraven said:
He was awesome for 4 years, fell off a cliff quickly after the Super Bowl. Had 2 years with 2000+ scrimmage yards. Even if there wasn't a lift catastrophe, he didn't look like he could get back. Got too big to cut effectively or be a passing threat like before.

CMC is great but missed quite a lot of play in his career due to injuries.
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It’s too bad we didn’t see Rice in that 2014 offense though, the 2013 team was bad on the line
 
UPennChem said:
We've gotten so lax with our grades of QBs. There's really only ever 2-4 elite QBs at any given time.

Remember when the league was ruled by basically just Brady, Manning and Big Ben? Guys will creep in and start to replace them because of course they will. We had Rodgers and Luck before he hung them up. Now we have Mahomes and Lamar and Burrow.

BUT for some reason, we talk about Allen, and Herbert, and Tua and Hurts like they're even close to the other guys. This is a new phenomenon.

Imagine 8 years ago saying yeah Phillip Rivers and Matt Ryan are elite top of the line QBs. That would've been ridiculous at the time and certainly is now. It's ok for QBs to just be good. Not everyone is elite.
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8 years ago people absolutely were trying to put Rivers and Ryan up there with them.
 
RaineV1 said:
8 years ago people absolutely were trying to put Rivers and Ryan up there with them.
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Idk about Ryan , but I was always worried when Rivers game to town, dude was deadly with LT and Gates and Vincent Jackson. I feel fortunate to have watched so many greats in my high school/college days. Guys like Peyton, Eli, Brady, Big Ben, Rivers, Rodgers, Favre , Vick…
 
rossihunter2 said:
i think allen has, across the season, been the 2nd best QB in the NFL - the only thing he's had issues with is some turnovers - if we're not gonna penalise lamar for early season fumbles then hard to penalise allen for early season interceptions

he and lamar are also the only 2 guys in the league, who when they're on their game, have a higher ceiling than mahomes because of what they can do as 2 way quarterbacks
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I can respect this.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i think allen has, across the season, been the 2nd best QB in the NFL - the only thing he's had issues with is some turnovers - if we're not gonna penalise lamar for early season fumbles then hard to penalise allen for early season interceptions

he and lamar are also the only 2 guys in the league, who when they're on their game, have a higher ceiling than mahomes because of what they can do as 2 way quarterbacks
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I agree with this and I’ve said this the past 3 years. Lamar and Allen are the two QBs in the league that can win two ways. If I had to start a franchise from the ground up, it’s either one of those two guys.

Problem for me rn is Bills fans are a little delusional right now. I’m sorry but Josh can be faulted for a good chunk of their losses. Same can be said about the wins, but the hero ball is making them a clunky team and they still aren’t guaranteed a playoff spot today.

One has a top 10 WR and the other is #2 in PPG without his top target. Fact is why does a QBs touchdowns matter if it doesn’t in turn create more points for your team?

I get it the Bills have been robbed and been so close for so long… but 6 losses looks bad. And they probably will be the #2 seed if they can beat the injured Dolphins team…
 
allblackraven said:
He was awesome for 4 years, fell off a cliff quickly after the Super Bowl. Had 2 years with 2000+ scrimmage yards. Even if there wasn't a lift catastrophe, he didn't look like he could get back. Got too big to cut effectively or be a passing threat like before.

CMC is great but missed quite a lot of play in his career due to injuries.
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with all due respect the ravens had their worst ol in 2013 also.
 
redrum52 said:
He's at least consistent to an extent. When he was a player he was a numbers guy as well so I'll give him that even if I don't agree.
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Nah bro, he is full of shit.

Lamar threw that bomb to OBJ, next play is a rushing TD from 1 and goal. Does he really think Lamar didn't have anything to do with that TD, just because it didn't show on his stat sheet?

He's either a complete idiot or paid to drive traffic/clicks. Or, likely, both.
 
allblackraven said:
Nah bro, he is full of shit.

Lamar threw that bomb to OBJ, next play is a rushing TD from 1 and goal. Does he really think Lamar didn't have anything to do with that TD, just because it didn't show on his stat sheet?

He's either a complete idiot or paid to drive traffic/clicks. Or, likely, both.
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He’s saying co-mvp now at least
 
allblackraven said:
Nah bro, he is full of shit.

Lamar threw that bomb to OBJ, next play is a rushing TD from 1 and goal. Does he really think Lamar didn't have anything to do with that TD, just because it didn't show on his stat sheet?

He's either a complete idiot or paid to drive traffic/clicks. Or, likely, both.
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I'm still not expecting Lamar to win unanimously. There will be a clique of voters that will (somewhat correctly) cry foul that Lamar is only MVP because of a historically weak field and they will deny him the exclusive unanimous based on that alone. I can't deny that in a normal year lamar would finish 3rd or 4th, CMC would finish like 5th and Dak would maybe get a handful of 5th place votes. They are going to finish a solid 1-2-3.
 
Baltimorican said:
I'm still not expecting Lamar to win unanimously. There will be a clique of voters that will (somewhat correctly) cry foul that Lamar is only MVP because of a historically weak field and they will deny him the exclusive unanimous based on that alone. I can't deny that in a normal year lamar would finish 3rd or 4th, CMC would finish like 5th and Dak would maybe get a handful of 5th place votes. They are going to finish a solid 1-2-3.
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ignores the context that it's a "down" year for mvp candidates because defences caught up to offences for the first time in around a decade
 
rossihunter2 said:
ignores the context that it's a "down" year for mvp candidates because defences caught up to offences for the first time in around a decade
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There was some of that sure, but QB injuries to Burrow/Stafford/Rodgers/Lawrence/Stroud were in there too. All of those guys might have put up the #'s and resumes had they been healthy all year. No wr's in KC, OC change in Buffalo, the debacle in Philly...
 
Baltimorican said:
There was some of that sure, but QB injuries to Burrow/Stafford/Rodgers/Lawrence/Stroud were in there too. All of those guys might have put up the #'s and resumes had they been healthy all year. No wr's in KC, OC change in Buffalo, the debacle in Philly...
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burrow and rodgers sure could have factored although that bengals team looked pretty flawed, mahomes WRs too obviously

stafford's injuries havent made a difference to his case at all
lawrence's injuries havent made a difference to his case at all

stroud has been a great rookie but not a MVP candidate

not sure what "debacle" in philly there is that affects MVP
 
Simba said:
I mean yeah we can get into all of the nitty gritty but there were ~10-12 teams looking for a new QB this offseason. Of course some are going to prefer rookies, some are going to prefer bridges, etc., but it's still malpractice to not call and see what it would take. Chances are slim it works out but QBs like Lamar aren't "available" all the time. A phone call doesn't hurt any of those teams that were looking.
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But like are you sure they didn't call? I think the public is getting lost in a sea of their own bullshit, i.e. "it didn't happen until you prove to me that it did happen". I think 31 other NFL GMs knew exactly what the situation was, and what it was going to be, long, long, long before the public ever did.

I think its impossible for the public to actually believe that a GM of somebody like the Falcons didn't know that Lamar was getting the non-exclusive tag until it was made publicly aware, and then decided in 10-15 mins that they wouldn't pursue.

Public making a big deal about nothing.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
But like are you sure they didn't call? I think the public is getting lost in a sea of their own bullshit, i.e. "it didn't happen until you prove to me that it did happen". I think 31 other NFL GMs knew exactly what the situation was, and what it was going to be, long, long, long before the public ever did.

I think its impossible for the public to actually believe that a GM of somebody like the Falcons didn't know that Lamar was getting the non-exclusive tag until it was made publicly aware, and then decided in 10-15 mins that they wouldn't pursue.

Public making a big deal about nothing.
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At the time I made this post, it was reported that no teams reached out to Lamar. It has since been reported that 2 did but it was more of a due diligence thing.
 
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