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rossihunter2 said:


with these ones confirmed, interesting that mickens is the secondary coach and PGC - suggests there's still room for a DB coach hire to work with him
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Yeah I’d be shocked if they didn’t have a 2nd secondary coach. They had Pagano and D’Alesio last year. The split between CB and S has gone away but they still usually employ two guys there.
 
rossihunter2 said:
i agree that whatever initiatives are put in place have to start from the bottom and work up rather than at the top to work down

trickle down effects rarely actually work
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I mean, in this scenario, not really.
The only way you'll see a mass influx of black HCs or even coordinators is when you get either a) black owners, which won't be happening materially for a long, long, long time or b) black people at prominent roles at the top of the org, such as GM, President, etc.

Putting an emphasis on having black coaches as RB, WR, linebacker, etc. hasn't shown to be effective. Black people are extremely well represented at the positional coach level in the NFL. They're not getting coordinator gigs. And that's not changing until the perception at the top changes, not the bottom.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean, in this scenario, not really.
The only way you'll see a mass influx of black HCs or even coordinators is when you get either a) black owners, which won't be happening materially for a long, long, long time or b) black people at prominent roles at the top of the org, such as GM, President, etc.

Putting an emphasis on having black coaches as RB, WR, linebacker, etc. hasn't shown to be effective. Black people are extremely well represented at the positional coach level in the NFL. They're not getting coordinator gigs. And that's not changing until the perception at the top changes, not the bottom.
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they are on defence
not on offence

27% vs 7%

and offence is where these coaches are getting hired as HCs from
and QB coaches are where these OCs are getting hired from
and there's massive underrepresentation (for various reasons) of minorities at QB coach and on the offensive side of the ball in general
 
Simba said:
Yeah I’d be shocked if they didn’t have a 2nd secondary coach. They had Pagano and D’Alesio last year. The split between CB and S has gone away but they still usually employ two guys there.
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also surprised they didnt (as far as we know) ask drew wilkins to interview for DC
 
Argentina Raven said:
Because I consider it more "racist," it doesn't give them a real opportunity.
It's just a bit of bureaucracy, doing two interviews out of obligation with anyone, as long as they're from a minority group, and that's it, without any real chance of getting the job, no matter how well-prepared they are.
I think this is the basis of Brian Flores's lawsuit.
Any rule to promote a minority is racist per se; you don't hire them for their ability, but for their color or race.

But anyway, it's just a personal opinion
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If you think it’s unfair and racist to have to interview people from different backgrounds, I suggest you open up a few history books. There’s quite a bit more “racist” things than awarding a mid-round draft pick.
 
redrum52 said:
Gelman looks like a damn high schooler.
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Would you prefer this look?

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29BmoreBird22 said:
I think your opinion is horrendously wrong and is a very off base.

People love to parrot the idea of hiring the best candidate and not basing it on skin color, but two issues here.

1. The NFL isn't *forcing* teams to hire minority head coaches; just interview them. They can still hire whoever they think is the best coach.
2. The NFL is VERY much a boys club where nepotism runs rampant (Harbaugh showed this way too frequently.) These coaches are being given an opportunity they very likely otherwise wouldn't get. They have the ability to a) get interview experience and b) network and put their name on the map. Maybe they aren't going to get the particular job they interviewed for because the team has someone picked out, but they have the chance to leave a lasting impression that might get them a future position with that team OR get them mentioned in future coaching search cycles.

If it's racist to give opportunities to historically marginalized and oppressed minority groups, I would encourage you to think really hard and re-evaluate your definition of racism.
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Also, I just want to add this.

One of the common talking points that a recently deceased and highly divisive public figures used to parrot a lot was, "With DEI and other minority hiring initiatives, I always wonder if they're hiring the best person when I see a minority."

Ignoring that the people who are minority and hired are still highly qualified, I question why more people don't ask if the non-minority (white) higher is actually qualified. How do we know he wasn't a nepotism or racist hire?

I think it says a lot if you're willing to question minority hires, but are totally fine with every non-minority hire.
 
I usually stay away from the Rooney Rule debate, but I think the biggest problem with the rule itself is that it doesn't prevent teams from hiring who they want to hire in the first place. The Browns are a good example right now - it's already been reported that they're going to hire Switzer as their OC, but they aren't compliant with the rule. So now they have to bring in 2 minority coaches to waste their time and interview for a position that is already filled. I have 0 problems with giving minority candidates greater opportunities, but the Rooney Rule itself is a mockery and almost more demeaning in certain situations than not being considered at all. Feels like the whole system needs a revamp.
 
Simba said:
I usually stay away from the Rooney Rule debate, but I think the biggest problem with the rule itself is that it doesn't prevent teams from hiring who they want to hire in the first place. The Browns are a good example right now - it's already been reported that they're going to hire Switzer as their OC, but they aren't compliant with the rule. So now they have to bring in 2 minority coaches to waste their time and interview for a position that is already filled. I have 0 problems with giving minority candidates greater opportunities, but the Rooney Rule itself is a mockery and almost more demeaning in certain situations than not being considered at all. Feels like the whole system needs a revamp.
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Why would anybody interview with them under these circumstances?

What are the repercussions for Browns if they don't comply?
 
allblackraven said:
Why would anybody interview with them under these circumstances?

What are the repercussions for Browns if they don't comply?
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It’s up to Goodell. Would be an interesting scenario one day where a team can’t get guys to interview. Then what?
 
purplepittabread88 said:
Yea thought about it and read a few things and i feel better. I hated the dolphins players saying they had no idea what his scheme was or where they should ever be.

But didn't realize how good he had their shitty unit in 2024. I just hope he can teach players well
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The more I think about it, the more I feel like it's an indictment on those players. Dolphins have been such a soft ass team for years now. Fangio couldn't work with them, goes to the Eagles and makes that defense great after they were sorry in 2023.
 
Simba said:
It’s up to Goodell. Would be an interesting scenario one day where a team can’t get guys to interview. Then what?
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technically discipline could be anything

pretty sure in the past teams have just been allowed to pay a fine to circumvent the rule - a significant enough fine that it's not worth avoiding the interview process normally
 
rossihunter2 said:
they are on defence
not on offence

27% vs 7%

and offence is where these coaches are getting hired as HCs from
and QB coaches are where these OCs are getting hired from
and there's massive underrepresentation (for various reasons) of minorities at QB coach and on the offensive side of the ball in general
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At some point you to think/hope that the dramatic uptick in black Qb's at every level will show up in the OC ranks.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Why is it stupid?
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Look at the results of the Rooney rule, it’s purely virtue signaling and clearly doesn’t have any effect on hires.

If minorities are being shunned out of positions for being a minority, well that’s awful and there’s no place for it and whoever is making that call should be investigated and/or face consequences, but I can’t see many instances where that would be the case, sad truth is the NFL is in America where white people still make up the majority, therefore they are most likely to over represent in just about every census at any profession.

anyone with a set of eyes can see that the Rooney rule is only for image and nothing else.

I’m seeing a lot of BLATANT virtue signaling on these boards in regards to minority coaching hires and my god is it cringe. Oh we need to be better, oh we need to fix this, bla bla. There’s more white coaches applying, more white guys who came from coaching families, more white guys who jumped straight into coaching at a very young age because they weren’t pro or even college athletes, etc. can we stop acting like this is some civil rights tragedy happening? Brian Flores was a victim of one dickhead team owner, Eric Bieniemy has been known to be a head case for a very long time now, Anthony weaver hasn’t shown the stuff yet because he failed as a playcaller, scheelhaase doesn’t have playcall experience and will get that this year and probably land a job next offseason as a result, who else was really on the circuit?

I’m absolutely not one to go online trying to own the libs, I’m pretty liberal myself, I’m all for equal representation and I love people from all backgrounds, like truly I do, I acknowledge and respect our differences and also acknowledge the road we took to get here as far as race relations go, I’ve spent countless hours educating myself on pre and post-civil rights era oppression of minorities, and I empathize with those affected by it. But this? Give me a fucking break. When a black coach is highly qualified and wins the job, that’s why he won it, not because of the Rooney rule, and when a highly qualified white coach wins a job, odds are extremely high that it’s not racism.

That said, the Steelers hiring Mike McCarthy over Nate Scheelhaase is… certainly a decision, that only they would make, which is odd considering Mike Tomlin was their last HC.
 
Argentina Raven said:
Because I consider it more "racist," it doesn't give them a real opportunity.
It's just a bit of bureaucracy, doing two interviews out of obligation with anyone, as long as they're from a minority group, and that's it, without any real chance of getting the job, no matter how well-prepared they are.
I think this is the basis of Brian Flores's lawsuit.
Any rule to promote a minority is racist per se; you don't hire them for their ability, but for their color or race.

But anyway, it's just a personal opinion
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Argentina huh? You wouldn’t happen to be one of those blonde haired blue eyed deutsch speaking Argentinians whose ancestors moved there in the mid 40s, would you? BECAUSE YOU SURE SOUND LIKE ONE
 
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