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The Bad, The Ugly, and the Pathetic

rmcjacket23 said:
I agree it's dumb.

My problem with this is two-fold:
1. If you have five stud lineman, I can promise you that eventually one or two of them will get hurt, and when they do, unless you also invested heavily in depth, you'll have what you have. And the likelihood of having one or more offensive lineman injured is quite high. If you look back historically... how frequently do you think any team in the league starts its best five lineman at any given time? Its low.
That's why I'm a bigger fan of James Hurst then most. He's versatile, and he can play every position except for Center at an average level. In this day and age in the NFL, that's borderline impossible to find. You can barely find an average Tackle coming out of college in the first round.
2. If you want a stud Oline, fine. Gotta pay for it. It'll cost significant draft capital, followed by significant financial capital. So where do you pull the money from to pay for that? Chances are, it'll come from your play making receivers, or your defense.
And the last thing I think I'm voting for right now is to take what little assets I see away from this defense.

So like we can spend this offseason on LG and Center if you want. But between retaining some of your own guys (or letting them walk and opening up more holes), that means you have less assets to invest in Dline, Linebacker, Corner, etc., all of which we will need by June.

I'm personally disappointed that Ben Powers isn't our starting LG, and clearly, he didn't do nearly enough to win that job. I expected more from him, because I think you can get solid Guard play from mid-round picks. Does that mean we need to spend a 1 or a 2 next year on one? Maybe. But that's a 1 or a 2 you don't spend on a pass rusher, or an ILB, or a Corner. It's not like we have a great track record of developing those guys in the mid to later rounds recently either.
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To address your first issue it goes like this, if we to upgrade LG by trading for a better player that means we improve our depth because Bozeman becomes the new swing backup. Improving the oline improves the play of everyone.
 
rossihunter2 said:
One promising sign is that Elliott finally got some snaps (only 9 but it’s more than before) - you’ve got to think with how poorly Jefferson’s playing that Elliott has a chance to steal some snaps
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Elliott impersonates how to play like a Raven unlike others, shows sound tackling technique on special teams and is always around the ball. For example he was the one who chased down Landry to stop him 2 yards short off the goalline. Even though it wasn't his responsibility.
 
Please take the piss with me on this but I can honestly say that I and plenty of others on here seem to have a better eye for talent and recgonise future busts better than our FO.
 
cdp said:
Elliott impersonates how to play like a Raven unlike others, shows sound tackling technique on special teams and is always around the ball. For example he was the one who chased down Landry to stop him 2 yards short off the goalline. Even though it wasn't his responsibility.
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His development will be interesting
 
BloodRaven said:
To address your first issue it goes like this, if we to upgrade LG by trading for a better player that means we improve our depth because Bozeman becomes the new swing backup. Improving the oline improves the play of everyone.
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And that could work. But there's obvious costs and problems.
First thing you have to do is identify the player and the team willing to trade with us. If it's a really good player, you're talking a quality draft pick or more, which means you have one or more less options to upgrade at linebacker, OLine, Corner, pass rusher, etc. next year.
You will also need to find a team willing to trade a really good player to begin with. That doesn't happen that often.
 
Humphrey, upon further inspection made quite a few mistakes in this game. He busted a coverage for the first touchdown.

Humphrey is a very good man corner but i don't think his football IQ is off the charts or anything
 
So, after that debacle on yesterday, the Ravens sign MLB L.J. Fort. My question is; "Can this cat really be an asset to us at this point being that he's been past around between a variety of teams in the league?"

Per the article on BR.com; Fort began his career with the Browns, after being signed as an undrafted free agent from Northern Iowa. After short stints with the Denver Broncos, Seattle Seahawks, Cincinnati Bengals and New England Patriots, Fort spent three seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers (2015-17) before joining the Eagles. In 65 career games, Fort has 85 tackles, three sacks and one interception.
 
Militant X 1 said:
So, after that debacle on yesterday, the Ravens sign MLB L.J. Fort. My question is; "Can this cat really be an asset to us at this point being that he's been past around between a variety of teams in the league?"

Per the article on BR.com; Fort began his career with the Browns, after being signed as an undrafted free agent from Northern Iowa. After short stints with the Denver Broncos, Seattle Seahawks, Cincinnati Bengals and New England Patriots, Fort spent three seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers (2015-17) before joining the Eagles. In 65 career games, Fort has 85 tackles, three sacks and one interception.
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https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/watch-lamar-jackson-s-juke-make-eagles-player-tumble
This is LJ Fort.
 
Militant X 1 said:
So, after that debacle on yesterday, the Ravens sign MLB L.J. Fort. My question is; "Can this cat really be an asset to us at this point being that he's been past around between a variety of teams in the league?"

Per the article on BR.com; Fort began his career with the Browns, after being signed as an undrafted free agent from Northern Iowa. After short stints with the Denver Broncos, Seattle Seahawks, Cincinnati Bengals and New England Patriots, Fort spent three seasons with the Pittsburgh Steelers (2015-17) before joining the Eagles. In 65 career games, Fort has 85 tackles, three sacks and one interception.
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I wouldn't put much stock in the signing.
We sent Alaka to IR on either Friday or Saturday I believe, which means we had an open roster spot. They just substituted depth at ILB for depth at ILB in my eyes.
Good chance he's a gameday inactive at least at the outset, just like Alaka was.
Can't say I know a ton about him, but wouldn't think he's going to just walk off the street and start covering TE's or RBs out of the backfield well.
 
Sami84 said:
Please take the piss with me on this but I can honestly say that I and plenty of others on here seem to have a better eye for talent and recgonise future busts better than our FO.
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Even thougb i agree with you... we have no pressure on us when we scout these players.we have nothing to lose so alot of times we arent second guessing ourselves. However,i wouldve never selected hurst in the 1st rnd lol or bowser in the 2nd.. idc how they pan out; i wouldve never done that shit.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I wouldn't put much stock in the signing.
We sent Alaka to IR on either Friday or Saturday I believe, which means we had an open roster spot. They just substituted depth at ILB for depth at ILB in my eyes.
Good chance he's a gameday inactive at least at the outset, just like Alaka was.
Can't say I know a ton about him, but wouldn't think he's going to just walk off the street and start covering TE's or RBs out of the backfield well.
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In my eyes as well. To me, Fort is merely a stopgap at the MLB position for the sake of filling the MLB position as you mentioned. When I see cats that have bounced around the league through 7 different teams as he, I'm never sold on them.
 
JAAM said:
I mean, something has to be done about this defense if we want to contend, right? I know EDC isn’t stupid. Come on Ravens, make a move
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The Ravens need a good pass rusher badly. Teams don't give up their better pass rushers without a huge trade for them.
 
Sami84 said:
Humphrey, upon further inspection made quite a few mistakes in this game. He busted a coverage for the first touchdown.

Humphrey is a very good man corner but i don't think his football IQ is off the charts or anything
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You're not talking about that mesh are you? That's Kenny Young not making a read. Marlon is in man on Beckham.
 
Sami84 said:
Please take the piss with me on this but I can honestly say that I and plenty of others on here seem to have a better eye for talent and recgonise future busts better than our FO.
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Absolutely. A lot of people here have absolutely nailed prospects over the years and we see it every year, we all jump and shout in excitement for ten different prospects every round, and we draft someone none of us wanted, and bam they turn out to be ass and all the prospects we begged for turn out good. It’s insane.

The ravens, in 2016 round 2, had to have been the dumbest goddamn team in the league.
 
While we very, very obviously need a pass rusher (edge or interior) I think the defense being this bad comes from a different problem. Wink's style of defense is very flexible and needs players to make their adjustments on the fly. We don't have a CJ Mosely, Weddle, or Suggs type to make adjustments like that.

Our defense got lobotomized.
 
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