2020 WR Draft Thread

[JoeyFlex5]

i think its just a long speed - he was still right up there in the vert jump (only other drill ive seen so far) - we'll have to see the broad jump and 3 cone and short shuttle etc but not worried about aiyuk yet albeit that 4.5 is unexpected

jefferson i think part of it is that his athleticism is so easy not to see because he's in the slot and can often get free releases against off coverage so its harder to gauge that speed sometimes - my only concern with jefferson at any point in this process has been the fact that he plays exclusively in the slot

I think the quickness of his feet and his acceleration and how easily he changes direction highlights his athleticism, I always felt it was underrated. I feel like most didn’t expect him to be so low in the 4.4s but maybe I’m wrong.

aiyuk I worry about the 3 cone too, I always felt he was a little high hipped. His acceleration is solid as hell but damn I really thought long speed was where he was gonna make his money today. Ive warmed up a lot to aiyuk, but I feel like he’s gotta do something really unexpected with the 3 cone to go as early as many thought he would after that 40 time. Not sweating it though, I’d love to see us take him in 2

 

[rossihunter2]

I think the quickness of his feet and his acceleration and how easily he changes direction highlights his athleticism, I always felt it was underrated. I feel like most didn’t expect him to be so low in the 4.4s but maybe I’m wrong.

aiyuk I worry about the 3 cone too, I always felt he was a little high hipped. His acceleration is solid as hell but damn I really thought long speed was where he was gonna make his money today. Ive warmed up a lot to aiyuk, but I feel like he’s gotta do something really unexpected with the 3 cone to go as early as many thought he would after that 40 time. Not sweating it though, I’d love to see us take him in 2

you're definitely right that no one expected him to run in the 4.4s at all let alone 4.44

with aiyuk i think this would be a case of overthinking it - the times he's running arent disqualifyingly bad they just arent what we thought - but that's going to move him within tiers - its not going to drop him more than maybe 10-15 spots or so on some boards if it drops him at all

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I love the idea of taking Denzel mims at 28 and DPJ at 60. If Lamar was at his best statistically from 5 wide, then let’s flood the field with ridiculous playmakers. Go the chiefs route, just put more game breaking talent out there than anyone can stop, like logistically no defensive coordinator would have a clue. The chiefs put so much speed and game breaking talent out there that you just can’t stop it all, we could do the same but even better.

with a guy like Hollywood it is unwise to load any box, with guys like mims and andrews you have outlets to make tough throws, with a DPJ you have game breaking YAC ability and quality size and playmaking ability in general, and if any of that fails let Lamar rip a 25 yard run or scramble until one of the uncoverables inevitably get open.

 

[rossihunter2]

I love the idea of taking Denzel mims at 28 and DPJ at 60. If Lamar was at his best statistically from 5 wide, then let’s flood the field with ridiculous playmakers. Go the chiefs route, just put more game breaking talent out there than anyone can stop, like logistically no defensive coordinator would have a clue. The chiefs put so much speed and game breaking talent out there that you just can’t stop it all, we could do the same but even better.

with a guy like Hollywood it is unwise to load any box, with guys like mims and andrews you have outlets to make tough throws, with a DPJ you have game breaking YAC ability and quality size and playmaking ability in general, and if any of that fails let Lamar rip a 25 yard run or scramble until one of the uncoverables inevitably get open.

would be crazy amounts of athleticism on the field which would be great

the added benefit of denzel mims is that he adds great value outside in the running game also - absolutely brilliant and feisty run blocker - you line him up and have hollywood motion and take a reverse to his side and he's going to have a lane to get downfield

i love a lot about denzel mims game but it says a lot that im also excited about him as a run blocker

let's be honest - it should have been obvious sooner but is there anyway that Mims would ever have made it past the Panthers in the 2nd round at pick 38? Joe Brady gets another weapon and Matt Rhule gets one of his Baylor guys...

 

[allblackraven]

I love the idea of taking Denzel mims at 28 and DPJ at 60. If Lamar was at his best statistically from 5 wide, then let’s flood the field with ridiculous playmakers. Go the chiefs route, just put more game breaking talent out there than anyone can stop, like logistically no defensive coordinator would have a clue. The chiefs put so much speed and game breaking talent out there that you just can’t stop it all, we could do the same but even better.

with a guy like Hollywood it is unwise to load any box, with guys like mims and andrews you have outlets to make tough throws, with a DPJ you have game breaking YAC ability and quality size and playmaking ability in general, and if any of that fails let Lamar rip a 25 yard run or scramble until one of the uncoverables inevitably get open.

The only way we don't pick Mims at 28 (if he is there) would be Yanda's retirement and a quality interior lineman available at our pick. I'd still pick Mims though but don't think DeCosta would.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

would be crazy amounts of athleticism on the field which would be great

the added benefit of denzel mims is that he adds great value outside in the running game also - absolutely brilliant and feisty run blocker - you line him up and have hollywood motion and take a reverse to his side and he's going to have a lane to get downfield

i love a lot about denzel mims game but it says a lot that im also excited about him as a run blocker

let's be honest - it should have been obvious sooner but is there anyway that Mims would ever have made it past the Panthers in the 2nd round at pick 38? Joe Brady gets another weapon and Matt Rhule gets one of his Baylor guys...

I’m more worried that he makes it to 28, I think 38 is entirely off the table lol.

The only way we don't pick Mims at 28 (if he is there) would be Yanda's retirement and a quality interior lineman available at our pick. I'd still pick Mims though but don't think DeCosta would.

if wirfs fell, or If say Cesar Ruiz is viewed higher than a lot of us view him, I could see it. I don’t think wirfs falls though lol not a chance

 

[rossihunter2]

I’m more worried that he makes it to 28, I think 38 is entirely off the table lol.
if wirfs fell, or If say Cesar Ruiz is viewed higher than a lot of us view him, I could see it. I don’t think wirfs falls though lol not a chance

those would definitely be the 2 - not sure wirfs falls given his combine but ruiz could definitely be there - if wirfs was there i think it would be an absolute no brainer vs almost any other player on the board who might be there regardless of position - the problem is i think his combine will make tackle needy teams think of him as a tackle not a guard and so he'll get drafted as a tackle before our pick

there's a lot of players i like in this draft

with regards to Mims - i was more responding to the general trend of him being available in the 2nd round and just thinking that was always patently ridiculous given who the new coach of the Panthers is

 

[rossihunter2]

So ironically the guy who's made the biggest jump in terms of grade post-combine is actually someone who had a pretty awful combine but I finally got into more of their film

Antonio Gandy-Golden i think he's a mid-day 2 pick

didnt love him the first time i watched some film about a month ago but came back to it and am crushing lol

 

[rossihunter2]

also for those interested here's a link to all the WR vs DB 1v1s from the senior bowl (there's a playlist so actually open it in youtube if you want more than just this individual video):



lots of gandy-golden, Mims, KJ Hill, Van Jefferson, Claypool, quartney davis, pittman, proche, devin duvernay (most of them on the North team but Jefferson and Duvernay on the south team)

 

[cdp]

So ironically the guy who's made the biggest jump in terms of grade post-combine is actually someone who had a pretty awful combine but I finally got into more of their film

Antonio Gandy-Golden i think he's a mid-day 2 pick

didnt love him the first time i watched some film about a month ago but came back to it and am crushing lol

same here. Jefferson, Mims and Gandy-Golden are ideal fits. I hope we can draft one of them

 

[rossihunter2]

If anyone wants just an inordinate amount of fun on the 1v1s - find every snap by Mims - it's an absolute clinic - he's better vs press although his chest is still on offer sometimes (he backs his strength but could occasionally cause him problems in the NFL) but he's basically unstoppable when given a free release - will do whatever he wants with the corner

 

[allblackraven]

If anyone wants just an inordinate amount of fun on the 1v1s - find every snap by Mims - it's an absolute clinic - he's better vs press although his chest is still on offer sometimes (he backs his strength but could occasionally cause him problems in the NFL) but he's basically unstoppable when given a free release - will do whatever he wants with the corner

At least fucking Steelers don't have first round pick to take him.

 

[RavensMania]

Really good Kollman video on Mims.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Can someone tell me why nkeal Harry was a first round pick and jauan Jennings might go undrafted?

this isn’t to say I’m a big fan of Jennings or anything, it’s just like... what’s the difference here? Jennings might actually separate better than Harry, Harry had some of the worst separation skills I had ever seen from a hyped receiver.

both are just big, slow, powerful YAC specialists with vice grip mitts and I genuinely don’t see much difference between the 2 lol

 

[rossihunter2]

Can someone tell me why nkeal Harry was a first round pick and jauan Jennings might go undrafted?

this isn’t to say I’m a big fan of Jennings or anything, it’s just like... what’s the difference here? Jennings might actually separate better than Harry, Harry had some of the worst separation skills I had ever seen from a hyped receiver.

both are just big, slow, powerful YAC specialists with vice grip mitts and I genuinely don’t see much difference between the 2 lol

Jennings probably gets screwed by the way guys like Harmon and Harry have done in the league so far

He’s a big slot who struggles to separate in non-zone concepts but he’s great after the catch

 

[Somerset Ravens]

Can someone tell me why nkeal Harry was a first round pick and jauan Jennings might go undrafted?

this isn’t to say I’m a big fan of Jennings or anything, it’s just like... what’s the difference here? Jennings might actually separate better than Harry, Harry had some of the worst separation skills I had ever seen from a hyped receiver.

both are just big, slow, powerful YAC specialists with vice grip mitts and I genuinely don’t see much difference between the 2 lol

Jennings biggest issues are those of character. In 2017 he was dismissed from the Tennessee team after an
expletive filled rant on social media against the Tennessee coaching staff. Jennings was later reinstated to the team. In 2019 he was suspended for stepping on a Vanderbilt player’s face after tackling him on a punt return after the player’s helmet came off.

 

[rossihunter2]

Jennings biggest issues are those of character. In 2017 he was dismissed from the Tennessee team after an
expletive filled rant on social media against the Tennessee coaching staff. Jennings was later reinstated to the team. In 2019 he was suspended for stepping on a Vanderbilt player’s face after tackling him on a punt return after the player’s helmet came off.

he's also got speed issues and despite his size isn't someone who projects outside

 

[Jacquouille]

Can someone tell me why nkeal Harry was a first round pick and jauan Jennings might go undrafted?

this isn’t to say I’m a big fan of Jennings or anything, it’s just like... what’s the difference here? Jennings might actually separate better than Harry, Harry had some of the worst separation skills I had ever seen from a hyped receiver.

both are just big, slow, powerful YAC specialists with vice grip mitts and I genuinely don’t see much difference between the 2 lol

He does have drop issues and apart from his YAC skills his size doesn't really help him. It's more about "what does he offer anyway?" except for the YAC. As much as I hated Harry as a prospect I could at least say he was athletic for his size and had very reliable hands.

 

[rossihunter2]

I feel like this might be sacrilege but on the latest go-round i feel like i should be ranking the top of the WR class in this order:

1. Lamb
2. Mims
3. Jeudy
4. Ruggs
5. Jefferson
6. Reagor
7. Aiyuk
8. Hamler
9. Higgins

all 9 of them are ranked in the top 40 right now on my board

 

[Somerset Ravens]

I feel like this might be sacrilege but on the latest go-round i feel like i should be ranking the top of the WR class in this order:

1. Lamb
2. Mims
3. Jeudy
4. Ruggs
5. Jefferson
6. Reagor
7. Aiyuk
8. Hamler
9. Higgins

all 9 of them are ranked in the top 40 right now on my board

Your WR list is very interesting. I am surprised you have Mims at 2. Aren’t you concerned about his route running considering his limited route tree at Baylor?