Signings, Cuts, Trades

[balfan23]

Is there a WR in the mold of Derrick Mason, Boldin & Steve Smith out there that can help us the way those receivers did? That's what we need right now, Lamar needs his Boldin type of receiver who we can count on in clutch moments.

Well, we traded for Boldin ... so we may want to look beyond FAs and see if there are any options that we may be able to trade for that fit the mold.

 

[rossihunter2]

Well, we traded for Boldin ... so we may want to look beyond FAs and see if there are any options that we may be able to trade for that fit the mold.

or we get a young guy from possibly the best wr draft class of all time

 

[RavensMania]

or we get a young guy from possibly the best wr draft class of all time

much prefer drafting a guy. I'd rather not waste money on a veteran that is most likely not going to pan out and i'd rather use it on a defensive player or offensively lineman.

 

[purplepittabread88]

What about Arik Armstead? I mean the 49ers can't pay everyone on their DL especially with Buckner's contract coming up soon

talking to a 49ers fan, he strongly believes they won't be able to resign him. Could be a move. guy would really add a new dimension to the line. question is do we have to get rid of Michael Pierce for him? we've seen many times how much our team falls apart without both pierce and Williams. worries me.

 

[RavensMania]

talking to a 49ers fan, he strongly believes they won't be able to resign him. Could be a move. guy would really add a new dimension to the line. question is do we have to get rid of Michael Pierce for him? we've seen many times how much our team falls apart without both pierce and Williams. worries me.

we were ok against the run when Pierce was out of the lineup and Peko and Ellis played. Can't remember which game he missed though. I'm pretty sure we let Pierce walk. Pierce was much better last year when we had ZDS, Judon, Urban and Sizzle in the lineup. Just wonder if he could be back to last years Pierce if we had more pass rushers. Maybe we let Judon walk and sign Pierce, while letting BWill go in 2021 to save 10m in cap space.

idk, rk I'm just thinking out loud. We could have a ton of cap space in 2021, but that will truly depend on how much the cap is with the new cba.

 

[Grim]

I'm of the mind that we need to take the next step on offense this coming year and improve on throwing the ball to WR outside the #s. As Lamar takes each offseason on works on the next thing he needs to improve on himself - I think that should be his focus.

So the question is - what to do in terms of personnel to help Lamar take that next step? Is an upgrade at WR in order? Our roster currently has:

Hollywood - Showing real promise. I think his production for a rookie who was out for several games was stellar. I think he becomes special
Boykin - Perhaps he's about what you should expect out of a 3rd round rookie ... but will he be what we need him to be this coming year?
Snead - IMO a pretty big disappointment this year.
Scott - I think the most optimistic among us need to admit he's a non-entity.

Does our offense even really need a quality slot receiver with the way we use TEs? Is that why Snead was disappointing, cause the middle of the field is covered already?

If we get an upgrade wide ... a big bodied dude with a big catch radius ... or do we already have that in Boykin's and adding such a player will stunt his growth? Or do we say we need to upgrade that position and Boykin will just have to find a way to contribute.

Yes sir! I’m a big believer in double downing on areas of strength to become stronger there. If our offense is indeed our strengths then make it stronger. I say ensure we can sustain drives and score in the red zone even more than we did. That’s why a RB, IOL, & WR are all on the table for me. I’d even consider a TE depending. That’s not to say ignore defense. We need a pass rusher and edge defender bad. That can’t be ignored.

lets get real, we're not going to plug every position in to the point where we're going to say

'' I'm happy with all our position groups''

there will be one which will be our worry.

Yeah, and I would let that be ILB if I had to choose at this point. Get a stronger DL and use a strong secondary to mask the ILB group. If our edge defenders are good then it should reduce the risk.

or we get a young guy from possibly the best wr draft class of all time

Yes sir

much prefer drafting a guy. I'd rather not waste money on a veteran that is most likely not going to pan out and i'd rather use it on a defensive player or offensively lineman.

I’d agree but I do think this team is very young and would benefit from a veteran WR. Not to say we shouldn’t draft one too. We absolutely should take a WR and take one early Imho

 

[allblackraven]

we were ok against the run when Pierce was out of the lineup and Peko and Ellis played. Can't remember which game he missed though. I'm pretty sure we let Pierce walk. Pierce was much better last year when we had ZDS, Judon, Urban and Sizzle in the lineup. Just wonder if he could be back to last years Pierce if we had more pass rushers. Maybe we let Judon walk and sign Pierce, while letting BWill go in 2021 to save 10m in cap space.

idk, rk I'm just thinking out loud. We could have a ton of cap space in 2021, but that will truly depend on how much the cap is with the new cba.

Pierce was a major disappointment for me this season. From showing up overweight to camp to playing as a JAG in his contract season.
We have to do some major work on rebuilding our defensive front, inside and on the edge and definitely look at improving DL coaching.

 

[RavensFan419]

I’m all in on the build the offense this offseason train we need some wideouts and another RB would never hurt but I think we have to get a pass rusher without a doubt we absolutely need an edge defender

 

[rossihunter2]

we were ok against the run when Pierce was out of the lineup and Peko and Ellis played. Can't remember which game he missed though. I'm pretty sure we let Pierce walk. Pierce was much better last year when we had ZDS, Judon, Urban and Sizzle in the lineup. Just wonder if he could be back to last years Pierce if we had more pass rushers. Maybe we let Judon walk and sign Pierce, while letting BWill go in 2021 to save 10m in cap space.

idk, rk I'm just thinking out loud. We could have a ton of cap space in 2021, but that will truly depend on how much the cap is with the new cba.

pierce is clearly the individually superior guy in the middle of that DL but paying both him and brandon is not going to work even for 1 year tbh - so much money spent on space eaters in that scenario - Brandon gets moved to easily when singled and pierce doesnt but brandon got paid restructured so it doesnt really make sense to get rid of him to make space for pierce because the offset wont be enough to justify it

honestly i think we end up losing both albeit the FO clearly thinks the franchise tag is an option with Judon (or at least did at one point in the year)

 

[balfan23]

or we get a young guy from possibly the best wr draft class of all time

As long as that guy can be productive right out of the gate. We have our window with Lamar and we want to make the most of it. We'll be in year 3 of Lamar's rookie contract so whoever we put at WR this year on the other side of Hollywood has to be ready to roll in 2020. I would have to think that means spending our #1 on a WR

The other part of my original question wonders whether we're sort of giving up on Boykin too fast. I mean, I'm not truly "giving up" on him, but I'm not willing to say that I think he's the guy we want as a #1 or #2 WR.

 

[rossihunter2]

As long as that guy can be productive right out of the gate. We have our window with Lamar and we want to make the most of it. We'll be in year 3 of Lamar's rookie contract so whoever we put at WR this year on the other side of Hollywood has to be ready to roll in 2020. I would have to think that means spending our #1 on a WR

The other part of my original question wonders whether we're sort of giving up on Boykin too fast. I mean, I'm not truly "giving up" on him, but I'm not willing to say that I think he's the guy we want as a #1 or #2 WR.

not giving up on him - but he hasnt shown us enough to build around expecting him to take the step he needs to take - we can hope he takes a step and its not unlikely that he'll improve (to what degree, we dont know yet) but we cant rely on that happening

 

[balfan23]

not giving up on him - but he hasnt shown us enough to build around expecting him to take the step he needs to take - we can hope he takes a step and its not unlikely that he'll improve (to what degree, we dont know yet) but we cant rely on that happening

Right - that's my thought on Boykin. So since we can't expect him to be really even a solid #2, I feel like we need someone else that can really open our offense up along with Hollywood.

If draft - again, I think it needs to be someone who can be "instant coffee". That means a 1st rounder. Otherwise, I think we need to look FA or even explore a trade. Our window is now. We should seek to expend some draft capital to bring in impact players and a WR is a position we should seek to fill.

 

[balfan23]

Maybe AB would want to hook up with his cuz ... and maybe Hollywood could get him to promise he'd stop being a douche. That would add a play maker on the outside.

JK! (or am I ...)

 

[rossihunter2]

Maybe AB would want to hook up with his cuz ... and maybe Hollywood could get him to promise he'd stop being a douche. That would add a play maker on the outside.

JK! (or am I ...)

absolutely no way - dont care how good he is

 

[NaturalBornHitters]

No one can chill AB out. The CTE has taken over his mind completely at this point. Plus, he needs help, not to play football and screw himself up more.

 

[NaturalBornHitters]

Who I would really love to have is Landry. It would be impossible to get him, being that he's with the Browns and it's unlikely that they would trade him to us.

 

[allblackraven]

absolutely no way - dont care how good he is

Nice guy

 

[RavensMania]

As long as that guy can be productive right out of the gate. We have our window with Lamar and we want to make the most of it. We'll be in year 3 of Lamar's rookie contract so whoever we put at WR this year on the other side of Hollywood has to be ready to roll in 2020. I would have to think that means spending our #1 on a WR

The other part of my original question wonders whether we're sort of giving up on Boykin too fast. I mean, I'm not truly "giving up" on him, but I'm not willing to say that I think he's the guy we want as a #1 or #2 WR.

definitely not giving up on him, but we also can't rest on or laurels and I do see him improving in year two with a full offseason. I also see him better in a big slot role.

 

[Dom McRaven]

Nice guy

Lord help him because he needs prayer.

 

[D1City55]

I don’t think Chris Jones leaves, so no. Not sure I want to sign Judon at the moment either. He’s a tough call.

Golden and Anderson would be cool. I like Schobert.

You can wiggle with the cap to do it but we’ve seen how that works out over the years. I don’t think we have a shot at Chris Jones. I don’t think he ever hits free agency.

Terrell Lewis reminds me of Carl Lawson.

What pass rusher is available in free agency you want? I don’t see Clowney or Ngakoue hitting FA. I think we need to do both honestly—sign a FA edge defender and draft one. That said, I don’t have high expectations for a major impact player there in FA. I’d rather get Schobert than draft one. I’m not too impressed by this ILB draft class. I mean you have some guys in the Draft like Murray and Jennings but not much beyond them from what I’ve seen so far.

Sorry for late response.

There's always a guy who's cut who you don't expect to be there. I think Calais Campbell is that type of guy and he brings monstrous pass-rushing help to this team. He's one guy I would like to have here for the short term, I really don't mind the age because he's going to be great productivity in the DL in all phases that we haven't had in ages. I also would like to think that we can make a move via trade for someone as well which I wouldn't rule out. I really would love to have another Haloti Ngata honestly but Campbell would do just fine. Another guy who could hit FA or be on the block is Ryan Kerrigan who the Redskins would have 0 dead money from moving on from, with Chase Young potentially there, it could make it an easier decision.

My dream scenario would go like this. Sign a productive DL who can rush the passer, make a move via trade or FA for an edge guy, draft another pass-rush specialist 1st round whether its someone who plays inside or outside and retain Judon on a contract that doesn't totally break the bank. Round 2 could be an ILB that I hope we hit on.

It would probably take 10M to sign Campbell, Kerrigan's cap number stands at 11.7M, and Judon in my best case scenario could be brought back at 16M per year. That's about $37M in cap space and I don't know if we have that type of money to spend for those 3, but I'm all for putting all our chips on the table for the front 7.

I've flip flopped so much in terms of keeping Judon. That last game left a sour taste in my mouth but he has a good body of work, didn't have help on the DL in terms of rushing the passer, and had pretty good pressure and QB hit numbers. Also, he plays a SAM LB role for this team, while his coverage is solid at best, it's not easy finding a SAM in this league. I'm all for putting most of the cap towards the front 7, this defense needs it badly. I would also love to see the team add a veteran WR in FA. All in all, a major boost for the pass rush, and a Vet WR is really what I think we should key in for. I think OL should be left alone if Yanda returns.