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Signings, Cuts, Trades

rossihunter2

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Exactly. There was never a better time to draft WR and pay good pass rusher in FA. This edge rusher class is a bit underwhelming, aside of few guys at the top. and there may be top pass rushers available in FA.

yeah the edge rush talent falls off a cliff so quickly in this draft class - then again we dont even know how many of these pass rushers are even going to hit free agency - no matter what happens this offseason we're going to need jaylon ferguson to take such a massive jump
 

Grim

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oh man this class is awesome - so good that the top 4 guys are probably not even close to reachable for us at 28: Jerry Jeudy, Ceedee Lamb, Henry Ruggs III, Tee Higgins

but there's so many other guys to watch - here's some to get started with:
KJ Hamler
Justin Jefferson
Denzel Mims
Tyler Johnson
Brandon Aiyuk
Jalen Reagor
Gabriel Davis

and more... Laviska Shenault Jr is someone being touted by the draftniks as a 1st round guy but i dont see it at all - you might want to watch him too see what opinion you come away with

but id say almost all of the above list are going to have 2nd round grades or better

of those guys justin jefferson is probably the best route runner - denzel mims might be the most exciting - hamler, aiyuk and reagor have so much speed (but not as much as henry ruggs iii)
I love quite a few of those guys after watching some of them. I also dislike others for various reasons. Got a lot more work to do, but this WR class looks incredible.
some receivers contribute right from the jump, but most receivers still need time to adjust. I believe Boykin has the ability to succeed and have a major jump next season, but his best position imo would be playing big slot. Lets remember that DJ Chark had issues in year one as well and he came on strong this season. I'm not saying to rest on our laurels, because we absolutely should draft another receiver, but I feel Boykin will due well next season.
Boykin is very similar to Chark, great comparison. That said, he could improve and it’ll be great if he does. I just have doubts the guy will improve. He seems like the typical preseason powerhouse. We also have Wesley and Scott on the roster, so maybe one of them improves too.
Harbaugh said they're looking for 2 different types of WR to bring in via draft, free agency or trade.
I’m glad we are. We definitely need some more talent. I say build a bully. I’m glad we recognize that all teams are going to key in on us and try to figure out our offense. We must evolve this offense to stay ahead and have continued success.
Just did some research. Atlanta is strapped. Pipe-dream, but what if they put Julio on the block lol. The Rams, Vikings and Falcons are the teams that could use more cap, and they all have stud WRs that could obviously help us. Atlanta might be in rebuild mode. Can't wait to see what happens.
I doubt it happens. I think they’ll restructure or cut someone else before trading Jones.
They can't trade Julio. He just signed an extension. It would cost them $12M MORE in cap space to deal him than to keep him. He'd cost over $32M against the 2020 cap.
One person to keep an eye on from Atlanta is Alex Mack. He could be a cap casualty if they really need the space. Last year of his contract, and I don't think they've been super happy with his performance of late.

Rams have a projected $23M in cap space right now, so I don't know why you think they need more?

Vikings will be cutting a lot of players for sure, but I doubt Diggs or Thielen would be one of them. Reports out there have them getting rid of Reiff (LT) and Xavier Rhodes, both of which underperformed greatly last year. They can clear almost $17M in cap space by cutting those two guys, and they wouldn't be that hard for them to replace either.
Everything you said.

Ignoring the pending free agents and possible retirement (Yanda), is there anybody on the roster who we see as an obvious "cap casualty" at this point? As I look at the players actually under contract, the only guy I see that makes sense is Tony Jefferson.

Heading into his last year of his deal, coming off significant injury, relatively large cap number ($11.1M) and somewhat significant cap savings with a release ($7M), and seemingly replaceable internally already with Clark.

Is there really anybody else? I just don't expect many players to be "released" early in the FA period. Feels like any cuts we make could be later on.
As others said below, Carr and Hurst are options. I don’t think Hurst goes anywhere though. I wish we could release Snead to an extent. He’s not done as well when targeted as I feel he did last year. I still don’t understand his extension.
brandon carr could be let go - he has the last of his 4 6m/yr options in 2020 and we could well decide not to keep him

you're right though - there's likely going to be very little dead money on this year's cap

James Hurst is an option depending on what we feel about his value vs his contract but that would save only 2.75m against the cap

i'd say TJ is definitely gone, Brandon Carr is 50/50 and James Hurst is likely sticking around - other than that I dont think there's any other cut candidates before we get to training camp
I think Carr is gone and we re-sign Jimmy and Lee Hurst.
We need wrs who dont mind ending games with 0 catches
I don’t expect that to be our offense next year. That said, I also kinda blame Roman for that. If you look at his history, a lot of his offenses have little production from WRs at times. He also has had issues when the run doesn’t work. It’s one reason why I’ve started to think about he’s a great OC but I wouldn’t mind if he leaves next year.
yeah the edge rush talent falls off a cliff so quickly in this draft class - then again we dont even know how many of these pass rushers are even going to hit free agency - no matter what happens this offseason we're going to need jaylon ferguson to take such a massive jump
Edge rusher and defender is a major issue. I’m overly concerned about it because I don’t expect a lot of guys to be available in FA and I don’t see a lot of options in the draft. I really think we may have to settle for a Markus Golden type of player and maybe trade for a guy who has underperformed and hope he improves here. Either that or get an old veteran like Suggs or Houston if he’s cut or someone else.
 

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Simba

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I know I've been MIA for awhile, so just kind of going to give my thoughts in a complete roundabout way lol.

The biggest needs, in kind of an order but not really:

OLB/EDGE - Judon isn't as consistent as I'd like, but I'd be surprised if we don't make every effort to keep him. We really have nothing else there. If you don't pay him, you have to pay someone else in FA (Barrett, Ngakoue, etc.) even though I'm not sold on any of the options. In addition, you have to draft one early. I think there's a drop off at a quick glance, but should still be quality at the end of round 1.

DL - I'm not sure I've ever seen us this thin here. BWill and Wormley are the only 2 known commodities left. I'd guess they'll look to re-sign a guy like Justin Ellis for close to the minimum just for depth. I would love Chris Jones but don't think that's realistic. Arik Armstead would also be a huge coup. Otherwise, maybe a couple of lower level guys available. Haven't done too much work here on the draft, but absolutely need to find some interior pass rush plus depth. I think Pierce walks.

WR - Hollywood started to show up but we need something more. Snead ideally is a 3/4 and Boykin clearly still has some work to do. I think this is another case where you need to draft one and sign one. I'd be looking day 2 or early day 3 at the latest since this class is deep. In FA, I'd expect a lesser name, but someone that has shown flashes at least - Rashard Higgins bumped out by OBJ and Landry, Devin Funchess coming off of injury - a guy like that at the most, I'd think.

ILB - I'm looking draft all day here, and hopefully re-signing Bynes for not much (or another similar player). Schobert would be the coup but I don't see it. Just not a huge priority for me with Clark taking over play calling and doing incredibly well. Address it how you can but I wouldn't panic here.

OL - This could vault up depending on what Yanda does. If he stays, I'm not super concerned, pending Skura's health. I think Mekari is fine depth a C/G, too. If he leaves, I think you need to prioritize this early. Clearly, they didn't trust Powers all year. Bookends are fine. I'd keep my eyes peeled for a developmental swing T late, but I'm fine with Hurst in that role.

S/CB - This depends on what happens with Carr and Jimmy. If I had to guess, Carr returns at a lesser rate and Jimmy finds work elsewhere. In that case, I'd be looking at another developmental CB in the draft (not sure they trust Averett anymore). If the opposite happens, I'm looking for another DeShon Elliott type pretty late - quality depth and STer. If neither happens, I'd be open to depth at both spots. I'd guess this is draft only - no real FA considerations outside of our own in Jimmy.

KR/PR - De'Anthony Thomas was garbage and should have never been signed. It's time to devote a pick to a pure return specialist. They don't go early. Find one you like in the mid-late rounds and make it happen. Not enough juice here.



All in all - kind of a lot of work to do. There are a lot of our own (Judon, Jimmy, Ward, Levine, McPhee, Bynes, Trawick, Ellis) that I think we could be looking to re-sign, even though some of those are close to the minimum types of deals. Not a ridiculous overhaul by any stretch, but I imagine that front 7 on D will be almost completely redone, with secondary "surprises" being additional upgrades on O to WR and OL.
 

RavensMania

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I know I've been MIA for awhile, so just kind of going to give my thoughts in a complete roundabout way lol.

The biggest needs, in kind of an order but not really:

OLB/EDGE - Judon isn't as consistent as I'd like, but I'd be surprised if we don't make every effort to keep him. We really have nothing else there. If you don't pay him, you have to pay someone else in FA (Barrett, Ngakoue, etc.) even though I'm not sold on any of the options. In addition, you have to draft one early. I think there's a drop off at a quick glance, but should still be quality at the end of round 1.

DL - I'm not sure I've ever seen us this thin here. BWill and Wormley are the only 2 known commodities left. I'd guess they'll look to re-sign a guy like Justin Ellis for close to the minimum just for depth. I would love Chris Jones but don't think that's realistic. Arik Armstead would also be a huge coup. Otherwise, maybe a couple of lower level guys available. Haven't done too much work here on the draft, but absolutely need to find some interior pass rush plus depth. I think Pierce walks.

WR - Hollywood started to show up but we need something more. Snead ideally is a 3/4 and Boykin clearly still has some work to do. I think this is another case where you need to draft one and sign one. I'd be looking day 2 or early day 3 at the latest since this class is deep. In FA, I'd expect a lesser name, but someone that has shown flashes at least - Rashard Higgins bumped out by OBJ and Landry, Devin Funchess coming off of injury - a guy like that at the most, I'd think.

ILB - I'm looking draft all day here, and hopefully re-signing Bynes for not much (or another similar player). Schobert would be the coup but I don't see it. Just not a huge priority for me with Clark taking over play calling and doing incredibly well. Address it how you can but I wouldn't panic here.

OL - This could vault up depending on what Yanda does. If he stays, I'm not super concerned, pending Skura's health. I think Mekari is fine depth a C/G, too. If he leaves, I think you need to prioritize this early. Clearly, they didn't trust Powers all year. Bookends are fine. I'd keep my eyes peeled for a developmental swing T late, but I'm fine with Hurst in that role.

S/CB - This depends on what happens with Carr and Jimmy. If I had to guess, Carr returns at a lesser rate and Jimmy finds work elsewhere. In that case, I'd be looking at another developmental CB in the draft (not sure they trust Averett anymore). If the opposite happens, I'm looking for another DeShon Elliott type pretty late - quality depth and STer. If neither happens, I'd be open to depth at both spots. I'd guess this is draft only - no real FA considerations outside of our own in Jimmy.

KR/PR - De'Anthony Thomas was garbage and should have never been signed. It's time to devote a pick to a pure return specialist. They don't go early. Find one you like in the mid-late rounds and make it happen. Not enough juice here.



All in all - kind of a lot of work to do. There are a lot of our own (Judon, Jimmy, Ward, Levine, McPhee, Bynes, Trawick, Ellis) that I think we could be looking to re-sign, even though some of those are close to the minimum types of deals. Not a ridiculous overhaul by any stretch, but I imagine that front 7 on D will be almost completely redone, with secondary "surprises" being additional upgrades on O to WR and OL.
good feedback and always well received. I do think if we pick one or the other re: Jimmy or Carr, it would be Jimmy as he has already stated he would do his part. He wants to be here and knows it's not always greener on the other side. That being said, I'd like to see us try and keep Carr as well but understand we may not be able to keep both.
 

RavensMania

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I'm expecting the Ravens to make a push to sign Jimmy this offseason and I don't expect it to in the vicinity of 7 to 9 million. Sherman's 3 yr deal was 27m with 3m guaranteed with an avg salary of 9.05m. Robert Alford signed a 3 yr deal with Arizona for 22.5 million that included 8.5m guaranteed, a 7.5m apy.
 

Deebo813

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I'm expecting the Ravens to make a push to sign Jimmy this offseason and I don't expect it to in the vicinity of 7 to 9 million. Sherman's 3 yr deal was 27m with 3m guaranteed with an avg salary of 9.05m. Robert Alford signed a 3 yr deal with Arizona for 22.5 million that included 8.5m guaranteed, a 7.5m apy.
Niners pulled one of our moves with sherman.. right when you think he was done, he keeps balling
 

Simba

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good feedback and always well received. I do think if we pick one or the other re: Jimmy or Carr, it would be Jimmy as he has already stated he would do his part. He wants to be here and knows it's not always greener on the other side. That being said, I'd like to see us try and keep Carr as well but understand we may not be able to keep both.

Just my opinion with no basis whatsoever... I feel like Jimmy is saying the right things, but we know money talks. There are plenty of teams out there with big needs at CB. I think he'll get an offer that far exceeds what we'd be willing to pay him. I'd love to have him back, but based on pretty much all history ever, not many players take discounts.
 

allblackraven

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Just my opinion with no basis whatsoever... I feel like Jimmy is saying the right things, but we know money talks. There are plenty of teams out there with big needs at CB. I think he'll get an offer that far exceeds what we'd be willing to pay him. I'd love to have him back, but based on pretty much all history ever, not many players take discounts.
There's another history to take into account - Jimmy's injury history
 

rossihunter2

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Just my opinion with no basis whatsoever... I feel like Jimmy is saying the right things, but we know money talks. There are plenty of teams out there with big needs at CB. I think he'll get an offer that far exceeds what we'd be willing to pay him. I'd love to have him back, but based on pretty much all history ever, not many players take discounts.

tbf Jimmy was honest about that too - he said if he gets a deal that's a lot of money somewhere else then he'll have to take it but he was also unusually honest (especially in the lead-in to a free agency offseason) about the fact that he would be amenable to taking less to stay here (if the difference isnt too crazy)
 

Simba

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tbf Jimmy was honest about that too - he said if he gets a deal that's a lot of money somewhere else then he'll have to take it but he was also unusually honest (especially in the lead-in to a free agency offseason) about the fact that he would be amenable to taking less to stay here (if the difference isnt too crazy)

I just can't see that difference being negligible enough for him to stay. I'd think there would be quite a few teams out there interested in him, regardless of injuries - teams with more willingness to spend money to get him. I think we'd love to have him, but also realize that we can't break the bank to do it at the expense of our other needs.

If I end up wrong, then hell yeah.
 
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