This will be an interesting development, for sure. Will it be Correa or will it be a combination of Tyus Bowser and Correa
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Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
I'd argue that Wormley is a potential upgrade (albeit slightly) over Guy, and that Bowser is an easy upgrade over Orr(who was SUPER overrated).
I actually think Bronson could do what Timmy could.
Still hate you for trading him Ozzie. Was still dumb.
I actually think Bronson could do what Timmy could.
Still hate you for trading him Ozzie. Was still dumb.
Btw does anyone know if Sizzle had surgery for his torn biceps?
I'm certainly hoping that Kaufusi is better than Timmy. Timmy was so inconsistent and if you want to talk about overrated by some, he is one of them. I was a fan of the trade and feel we received decent value, moving up 3/4 of a round. Bowser playing the Jamie Collins role and hopefully Correa finally develping will be good for the defense. Wormley shouild be a really good upgrade and a very good fit in our defense. He was playing out of position in Michigans d.
As Sami pointed out, Wormlzy's 2015 tape is pretty ridiculous. Making OT look like pee wee kids and making OG look like potato bags.
BloodRaven
MVP
I think Wormley has high bust potential, I see a lot of Rashede Hageman in him.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
You watched that damn analytics video didn't you?
BloodRaven
MVP
I did and it burst my bubble!!! I was big on Hageman too but I should know better than to put too much stock in highlight reels
I disagree. I see him as having a pretty high floor
BloodRaven
MVP
He can have high potential and still have high bust potential
ZonaRaven
Practice Squad
I think what he's saying is his floor should at minimum allow him to be solid at the NFL level and not be a total bust. Maybe he doesn't turn out to be a superstar though.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
So do you buy the horseshit about Tim Williams basically being a bust? Because they said his level of production has never led to a pro bowl player, even though Tim Williams averaged a sack every 10 snaps, and that's overall snaps, not just pass rushing snaps.
BloodRaven
MVP
Lol no I didn't see any analytics video, but I did come across Jim Coberns metrics site that projects the careers of prospects after their college career and again after the combine/pro day. I don't usually put stock into metrics but he made some good points. He also projected Williams as a rotational edge rusher and Jeremy Maclin's career as a Raven.
That is what I'm saying
BloodRaven
MVP
For all we know he could be a beast. He gets knocked for his age and PFF production profile where they compare sacks, pressure rate, tackles-for-loss, market share of solo tackles and age of prospects, BUT to be fair he did play on the edge which makes his profile look different to his peers on the interior.
When they say production do they mean "per-snap" production (which would be surprising to see Williams graded poorly for) or do they mean "gross" production- which would make sense since he did spent a lot of time at Bama as a part-time pass-rush specialist?
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Gross production. It's basically "no player with his market share of sacks and tackles bla blah has ever become a pro bowler" and "no pro bowler has ever played at such a low snap count" but measures these things totally independent of each other.
So, in this case, correlation = causation, it's known and even acknowledged, yet it's disregarded in the analytics.
To call Tim Williams unproductive is a total lie, the numbers say he is one of the most efficient pass rushers to ever play college ball, and he has tape showing an incredibly explosive high motor and refined edge rusher to support the numbers. Also to bash his snap count is absurd, when you have a pass rusher of his caliber and the greatest front seven in college ball history, keep the legs fresh, let the others do the dirty work. Not to mention the tape showed a pretty decent run defender
More than decent, actually never understood the critics about his run defense. He's excellent at setting the edge and forcing RB to look the other way. Excellent leverage and hand placement force OT back 90% of the time.