All Pro would mean he's better than Miller, Houston, Kerrigan, Quinn, Ingram, Mercilus, Chandler Jones, etc... (and those are just OLB, not all pass rushers). I think Judon is gonna be great but it's asking a lot from him to be All Pro.
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BloodRaven
MVP
How do you rationalize AP potential as meaning hes better than Von Miller
Edgar
Ravens Ring of Honor
Between he and Suggs alone our edge pressure is formidable.
Add Tim Williams.....
Well, because to be named All Pro you have to be better than all the other players at your position?
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Well all pro is the absolute best at your position. So miller and Mack are front runners for AP every single year, to be an all pro Judon literally has to be better. To be second team all pro he's gotta beat out guys like Whitney mercilus, Vic Beasley, Justin Houston, jadeveon clowney, ziggy ansah, Everton griffen, and others. Joey bosa, Myles Garrett, Dante fowler, haason reddick, Derek Barnett are all up and comers who he may have to beat out for that title as well. Not gonna happen.
I think Judon is gonna be excellent, but he will never sniff that caliber of player. And he doesn't need to either. Tim Williams would be far more likely.
BloodRaven
MVP
10 edge rushers made the AP teams last year, 11 if you include Hightower
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000770458/article/three-rookies-matt-ryan-among-players-named-to-allpro-team?networkId=4595&site=.news&zone=story&zoneUrl=url%3Dstory&zoneKeys=s1%3Dstory&env=&pageKeyValues=plyr%3Daqib_talib%3Bplyr%3Dmatthew_ryan%3Bplyr%3Dmatthew_slater&sr=amp
First team: 2 edge rushers
Second team: 4 edge rushers
First team: 1 linebacker who is an edge rusher
Second team: also 1 linebacker who is an edge rusher.
That's 8 edge rushers spread across multiple positions. Not sure where you got 10 from or why you would count Hightower anyway. Some linebackers CAN rush sparingly, but that doesn't make them edge rushers.
BloodRaven
MVP
Mack
Beasley
Clowney
Wake
Vernon
Graham
Alexander
Mckinney
Miller
So its 9 if you dont count Hightower, I missed Clowney being listed twice.
Anyway I stand by my statement that if Judon stays healthy he has AP potential, Im not writing him off because of his draft position hes a specimen and has shown he can beat blocks against the run and pass. Now he just needs to continue building on what hes done so far.
Beasley
Clowney
Wake
Vernon
Graham
Alexander
Mckinney
Miller
So its 9 if you dont count Hightower, I missed Clowney being listed twice.
Anyway I stand by my statement that if Judon stays healthy he has AP potential, Im not writing him off because of his draft position hes a specimen and has shown he can beat blocks against the run and pass. Now he just needs to continue building on what hes done so far.
The Raven
Veteran
The key word here is "potential." I know what it means, but when you start saying "AP potential" people get all in a tizzy.
Judon absolutely has legitimate All Pro potential, if you know what the word potential means. His combination of size, speed, strength, and hand use is pretty damn good.
BloodRaven
MVP
Its just a slow news day
Anyway I see Orr is back from retirement and shopping around, from what Im hearing hes scheduled a visit with the Lions.
Anyway I see Orr is back from retirement and shopping around, from what Im hearing hes scheduled a visit with the Lions.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Looking back, that page is formatted weird, they have a list of all pros, and then out of nowhere an additional list of all pros...
Would you really consider McKinney an edge rusher though? I don't, at all.
Ok ok I got it that we're just talking potential, but we're also talking All Pro, not even Pro Bowl or three down starter.
And «potential» kinda implies you're expecting to be something close to that. I'd be extremely happy if Judon produces in his career like 2016 Suggs, which is nowhere near close to All Pro (borderline Pro Bowl is within reach though)
And «potential» kinda implies you're expecting to be something close to that. I'd be extremely happy if Judon produces in his career like 2016 Suggs, which is nowhere near close to All Pro (borderline Pro Bowl is within reach though)
BloodRaven
MVP
Yeah I wrote that on my phone, its meant to be Mercilus
Look I'm not splitting anymore hairs over your assumptions and interpretations, theres been a whole page of this and it's not that complicated. Lets move on
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
I'll run a search after work today and find the article on henry. It was Baltimore beat down "Jernigan could find henry breathing down neck" Maybe Henry is learning the craft and management was comfy trading Jernigan??
Oh I definitely agree that management was comfortable trading Jernigan, but Henry may not be the reason. I'm not saying the reason wasn't Henry.
I liked Jernigan, but thought he was a bit overrated by some Ravens fans. Thought we received fair value in return as well.
Yeah, I feel like he didn't really fit in the scheme as well, felt out of place.
He's in a pretty good fit in Philly as well. The wide 9 should suit him well.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Jernigan will likely become a pro bowl level guy in Phillys scheme, still doesn't make it a bad trade for us. Keeping Jernigan instead of taking that deal means one thing: super bowl or bust. We weren't resigning him, no way, so if he doesn't contribute massively this one year resulting in a super bowl, and we passed on an opportunity to get a solid return, then we biffed it. I am always for getting a return on players that are on borrowed time, unless that player will help us win a super bowl, and let's face it, it's not happening this year
Willbacker
Ravens Ring of Honor
There are only 1st and 2nd team All Pro edge rushers which gives you 4. All Pro different than Pro Bowl