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Do you think the players will be pissed off that they're showing maturity and taking responsibility while the coaches are blaming the players and taking no accountability?
 
UPennChem said:
Everyone say it with me.

Lamar come back
Sammy come back
OBJ LINK UP

PRAY
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I’m guessing OBJ isn’t ready to come back in 2022. His situation has been really weird
 
I stated numerous times that the football gods would not allow us to enjoy long-term offensive prosperity. The football gods saw the 2019 season as an act of defiance. 2020 season saw Lamar on the cover of Madden and it has been downhill ever since. We're seriously being punished for the 2019 season smh......
 
Simba said:
This is exactly what I've been getting at. In a normal offense, throwing the ball is absolutely the right decision. Still think you sprinkle some runs in of course, but you focus on the passing game. I've been challenging the archaic thought the whole time that throwing the ball there HAS to be the answer in this scenario because it ignores the previous 3 quarters (and probably even more) of data in this instance. I don't disagree that in most circumstances, throwing the ball was probably the right move. In this instance, I can't see anyways the coaches were focused more on the clock than the complete lack of passing game all alone.
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OK, but running the ball down 10 points with 11 minutes to go because "that's what you've been doing well" is the textbook definition of "archaic". There's a reason teams don't do it often anymore, and it ain't because Andy Reid or any other high level coach is "archaic". You're describing a philosophy that has merits earlier in the game, and a philosophy that is great when it results in actual positive outcomes on the scoreboard. When it does neither of those things, its purely for show, not for dough. It's a very 1985 way of looking at football. "Stick the to the gameplan that's gotten you behind on the scoreboard, because it's your "team identity"". That's very archaic.
 
Simba said:
If you think throwing the ball in that game gave us a better chance… yikes. That’s all I really have to say at this point. Can’t help you any further.
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And, simultaneously...
If you think running the ball in the 4th quarter of that game gave us a better chance… yikes. That’s all I really have to say at this point. Can’t help you any further. It's a very "archaic" strategy from you.
 
redrum52 said:
Andrews seemed visibly frustrated in the presser today. Truly feel like Harbaugh is losing players behind the asshole Roman.
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Visible frustration was clearly from being asked questions about whether his coach should be fired. Players aren't really in the mindset of thinking about this in-season.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
OK, but running the ball down 10 points with 11 minutes to go because "that's what you've been doing well" is the textbook definition of "archaic". There's a reason teams don't do it often anymore, and it ain't because Andy Reid or any other high level coach is "archaic". You're describing a philosophy that has merits earlier in the game, and a philosophy that is great when it results in actual positive outcomes on the scoreboard. When it does neither of those things, its purely for show, not for dough. It's a very 1985 way of looking at football. "Stick the to the gameplan that's gotten you behind on the scoreboard, because it's your "team identity"". That's very archaic.
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You’re still completely ignoring the point that Huntley was at the helm and hasn’t pumped the ball anywhere even close to downfield, but I digress
 
This could be hindsight but there's a 6'4 corner running sub 4.3 and didn't consider maybe we should use one of these 4ths on him. Brilliant
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
Normally I'd agree with what rmc is saying in that passing is the more explosive option and it's more reliable for moving the ball in bigger chunks and in a faster manner. That's very logical.

But that's the issue- it's logical and ignores the flow of the game.

The fact of the matter is...

1. Tyler Huntley has never shown to have a consistent or strong arm capable of pushing the ball down the field.
2. Huntley threw exactly one pass over 15 yards all night.
3. Huntley completed just four that were longer than 5 yards, give or take a yard.

The fact of the matter is with Huntley in, due to his limitations, drives are going to take much longer, anyway. They aren't quick, explosive drives that end in a score in two minutes. They're very slow, methodical drives that chew clock.

So, I'd ask myself- what's been working on the day? Certainly not the passing game. The running game had at least produced a few chunk runs of over 30 yards and had been averaging more yards per run than Huntley was targeting in air yards.

I think he's right in the sense that the Ravens did themselves in by only getting three points in the prior three quarters, but passing wasn't going to give the Ravens the drastically increased chance to win with Huntley this game.
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Would point out some slight flaws here:
1. I don't think pushing the ball down the field is necessarily required. Pretty clear the type of defense Cleveland is going to play (up 10 with 11 minutes ago) isn't going to allow for a backup QB to take 25-30 yard shots down field. However, if you look at the film, they were willing to concede 5-10 yard throws in certain spots. Which is what you're looking for in that spot.
2. I like the ability for offense to either a) get out of bounds quicker on a pass play or b) get back to the line of scrimmage quicker on a pass play a HELL of a lot more than I do on a running play. And factoring in the fact that even a 8 yard completion, which would be on the short-to-intermediate side of passes completed in these spots, would match basically the high end of a run you'd expect. We can talk all about the "chunk" runs we had earlier in the game, but you're not seeing that defensive alignment again in this spot. Defense isn't going to be setup where nobody is going to be on the second or third level to stop a long run. They would be, and were, playing for that.

Another reason why I think the whole discussion is moot. The running game "worked" in the context of it got us yardage and took time off the clock. Great strategy when you score points and have a lead. It didn't "work" in the context of scoring points or winning games, which at least for me, is kind of important.

Plenty of reasonable discussions about running more in the 4th quarter in many games. Probably shouldn't focus on the downfall of an offense that scored 3 points in 3 quarters being "we abandoned the run game in the 4th quarter". Ain't even in the stratosphere of why we lost. Why we lost is glaringly obvious to anybody that watched the game. Lots of "between the 20s" yardage, terrible situational execution and play calling in critical downs and distances, and lack of playmakers to make plays when needed. And that includes Huntley.
 
Simba said:
You’re still completely ignoring the point that Huntley was at the helm and hasn’t pumped the ball anywhere even close to downfield, but I digress
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Not ignoring it. Just don't care about it. I don't need 25 yard completions to come back. I'm about as likely to get that as I am to get a 25 yard run against a defense that's aligned to prevent both of those things from happening.

I want 8-10 yard plays that are ran quickly, have the ability to continue to be run quickly, can get out of bounds when needed, and most importantly, have a prayer of working in the RZ. The running game did not achieve any of those things in the first three quarters, so there's nothing on film that would suggest its going to happen in the 4th.

And if that sounds like something we couldn't achieve, so be it. Then you take the L. Next time, try to do better than average a point a quarter and think "oh yeah, that's working, lets keep doing that".
 
It's funny how mobile QB's are criticized among NFL pundits as being brittle and not worth top draft picks because of potential injury and when it's actually happening in real time, to us, there are literally zero ,"I told ya so's," or even analysis of how this really is crippling to a team.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Not ignoring it. Just don't care about it. I don't need 25 yard completions to come back. I'm about as likely to get that as I am to get a 25 yard run against a defense that's aligned to prevent both of those things from happening.

I want 8-10 yard plays that are ran quickly, have the ability to continue to be run quickly, can get out of bounds when needed, and most importantly, have a prayer of working in the RZ. The running game did not achieve any of those things in the first three quarters, so there's nothing on film that would suggest its going to happen in the 4th.

And if that sounds like something we couldn't achieve, so be it. Then you take the L. Next time, try to do better than average a point a quarter and think "oh yeah, that's working, let’s keep doing that".
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…but those 8-10 yard plays you’re yearning for didn’t work all game
 
So, people talk shit about the upcoming WR free agents but honestly the group isn't that bad. Sterling Shepard, Chark, Allen Lazard, Marvin Jones, Jakobi Meyers, Mecole Hardman, and Parris Campbell are all WRs capable of actually contributing to the offense. Sign two of them (maybe 3), plus Bateman, plus Duv, Likely, Andrews, and receiving backs you have a decent pass offense. At least you will with a worthwhile OC.
 
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