JAAM
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Shit, Dobbins and Gus could each have 1,000 as well
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and when it's good it's never as good as it seems either.
he'd need 300 yds in 2 games - his biggest yard total is 101 yds in week 1 and only approached 100 yds one other time which was this week
not saying he needs to hit 1000 yds but im not expecting it
if he does then it's a good sign that our offence has been fairly explosive over the next 2 weeks
I have a thought that I'd like to bring up. I'm not sure when it happened but at one point early in the season Lamar got up gimpy and for a while he just didn't seem to have the speed to get around the edge. I remember you guys, including myself saying he just didn't look like himself when he was keeping the ball on designed runs.
This all seemed to fix itself after he came back from being out from Covid.
Of course this isn't everything because I feel the offensive line is the biggest reason we are playing well, but Lamar being healthy is also a reason and something that hasn't been brought up.
This all seemed to fix itself after he came back from being out from Covid.
Of course this isn't everything because I feel the offensive line is the biggest reason we are playing well, but Lamar being healthy is also a reason and something that hasn't been brought up.
SepticeyePoe
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flacco go brrr
that's what i liked about it too - it meshed well with flacco's strengths - the play-action bootlegs, the zone running scheme setting up the play-action fakes, creating time for deep shots down the field on the outside to steve smith and torrey smith, owen daniels over the middle and juice and forsett in the short areas for those dump-offs to stay on schedule
we also had a highly effective offensive line that worked well in the zone blocking scheme - guys who fit that scheme well who did not necessarily fit power schemes as well
Rick Wagner, Jeremy Zuttah and Eugene Monroe were well-suited to the ZBS as were backups like John Urschel - it also had Marshal Yanda and Kelechi Osemele who were awesome and not scheme-dependent
that's what i liked about it in 2014 but i dont see those elements here in the 2020 (or 2021) ravens offence
From NFL.com
" With Calais Campbell and Marcus Peters inactive, rookie linebacker Patrick Queen picked up any would-be slack, flying around the field for one sack (two QB hits) and six tackles, three of which were for a loss. " I'm a stat guy and Queen has 98 tackles (62 solo), 3 sacks, 2 FFs, 2 FRs, 1 INT, and 6 STFs. Ravens fans he's only gonna get better!
" The threat of Jackson's legs (35 yards rushing) and rookie running J.K. Dobbins (64 yards on 11 carries; one TD) in the backfield had the Ravens offense humming all afternoon. " In 13 games, with limited carries (LJ8 and Gus get theirs so he keeps fresh) he's averaged 5.2 YPC with 6 rushing TDs.
Ravens fans he's only gonna get better!
" With Calais Campbell and Marcus Peters inactive, rookie linebacker Patrick Queen picked up any would-be slack, flying around the field for one sack (two QB hits) and six tackles, three of which were for a loss. " I'm a stat guy and Queen has 98 tackles (62 solo), 3 sacks, 2 FFs, 2 FRs, 1 INT, and 6 STFs. Ravens fans he's only gonna get better!
" The threat of Jackson's legs (35 yards rushing) and rookie running J.K. Dobbins (64 yards on 11 carries; one TD) in the backfield had the Ravens offense humming all afternoon. " In 13 games, with limited carries (LJ8 and Gus get theirs so he keeps fresh) he's averaged 5.2 YPC with 6 rushing TDs.
Ravens fans he's only gonna get better!
cdp
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In defense of Kubiak, Stefanski runs a pretty similar offense and it made Cousins last year and Baket this year look a lot better. Quite similar to Kubs one year with Flacco. However as you pointed out we don't have the personnel in place to run such a scheme. Obviously he could adapt it but I believe it's better to not abandon our current scheme. Just improve it and make it more wr friendly.
Theoretically what happens if we were to hire Kubiak next season and he would run a refreshed version of his offense? But Lamar wouldn't be able to execute and struggle with it.
The timing is important and i just don't think it's right to install a different scheme when Lamar's in his 4th year. Then we'd be going into year 5 and don't know what we have in Lamar and if it's financially reasonable to sign him to a big contract.
yeah - im not saying kubiak or his scheme are bad - just saying that right now they don't look like a good fit for Lamar
Stefanski's offence looks absolutely phenomenal with the set-up they have in Cleveland and Kubiak taking over the Vikings has allowed Dalvin Cook to become a superstar and Justin Jefferson to push the rookie QBs for OROY honours
Davesta
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I just keep thinking Wink is probably going to go to the Jets.
He have history with Joe Douglas.
CJ Mosley and Peanut (even though his is a 1 year deal) is there.
Mosley with the green dot will already know Wink’s scheme and can line everyone up.
Since Douglas became GM, Jets been poaching all of our guys. Seems like Douglas want former Ravens to help build that type of culture there. Makes too much sense.
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Davesta
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Harbs is too loyal to his coordinators. I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure the only reason we fired Marty was because GRo was going to take a OC position else where. That forced Harbs hand to keep GRo over Marty.
With so much history GRo have with the Harbaughs (working with both Jim and John), I doubt Harbs Xs him. It would probably take a heavy influence / pressure of Bisciotti and EDC to do that.
If when keep GRo, I hope we hire some type of Co-Offensive Coordinator that specializes in passing schemes. David Culley was suppose to be that, but I don’t see it. Just another coach with eagle ties during Harbs time there.
JO_75
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I keep thinking it's going to be Roman or Wink as the Head Coach of the Jets next year. I can see RG3 leaving to go there if Roman is the Head Coach. Are there QBs in next year's draft that fit Roman's scheme? Trevor certainly don't and neither does any of the QBs coming out next year. Easily see RG3 or even Kaepernick as a starter under Roman for the Jets next year if Roman is the HC.
Davesta
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I think there’s multiple reasons for this.
1. Like you mentioned, we were trying out different O-line lineups, Skura coming back from that knee injury and starting week 1 was a surprised to everyone. He probably would’ve been better off starting on the PUP.
2. Lamar did had a groin injury to start the season. I remember him missing practices due to it. Groin injuries take a long time to fully heal.
3. Another reason might be that the Ravens front office wanted to cut down Lamar’s rushing attempts every season. I remember listening to an interview Steve bisciotti, where he said their goal was to reduce Lamar’s rushing attempts by half every season.
Rookie SzN: 20 attempts
MVP SzN: around 10 attempts
Their goal for year 3: was around 5-7 attempts.
We probably tried to cut him back.. but now that every game is a must-win game to make it into playoffs since Lamar came back from covid, Harbs just telling Lamar to save his butt again.
if you want to hear the snippet of Steve Bisciotti when he said this, click the link and fast-forward to the 16:15 mark.
https://www.stitcher.com/show/lets-catch-up-an-nfl-podcast/episode/steve-bisciotti-65466553
Davesta
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I don’t see RG3 ever getting a starting job again. Honestly, his best shot in getting a job is staying QB2 and mentoring young QBs.
To answer your question, the 1st round QBs who probably fit that mold is either Trey Lance or Justin Fields.
I don’t see GRo as a NFL head coach though. He would probably be great at being a college HC.
JAAM
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If you could have YOUR choice, what kind of scheme would you prefer for Lamar?
I honestly really like what we've done schematically the last few weeks especially (ironically) since boyle went down - have loved seeing us run out of 11 personnel against nickel defences... it really helps de-clutter the box which in turn has helped give lamar time when they play-action out of those looks
I like how we've started to use shotgun with Dobbins to open up some of those inverted veer looks that have got both Dobbins and Lamar some chunks in the running game and even used Dobbins in motion at the snap (making use of his athleticism)
it's hard to say without seeing how Lamar does in other types of offence but I really like the fit with Roman's style of offence especially since he's adapted to life without multiple tight ends
I don't know if there's a ceiling on this passing game - and if there is I don't know if it's a ceiling because of Lamar or because of Roman or because of the weapons... the safest bet is to say it's a combination of all 3 - but I'd like to see us try and add another receiver to this offence this offseason and see if we can't find out for sure
I dont know what that boils down to in terms of scheme but I like what we're in right now
Dom McRaven
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If/when we don't make the playoffs, I'm rooting for the Bucs to win it all. I don't have anything against the other NFC teams but that'd be a dope story for them.
It's Tom Brady. We don't accept that around here.
Browns had 5 placed on the COVID list today, including their top 4 WRs. They'll only have 3 for the game tomorrow.
Obviously wish all of those guys well, but looking at it from a playoff perspective, this could be moderately helpful. They're still playing the Jets and Chubb and Hunt should just run all over them, but at least makes it a little more challenging.
Also still think it's crazy how many people believe that the NFL delayed our game to help us get guys back and not because we had an outbreak of over 20 people for like 10 days straight...
Obviously wish all of those guys well, but looking at it from a playoff perspective, this could be moderately helpful. They're still playing the Jets and Chubb and Hunt should just run all over them, but at least makes it a little more challenging.
Also still think it's crazy how many people believe that the NFL delayed our game to help us get guys back and not because we had an outbreak of over 20 people for like 10 days straight...