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The Random Thought Thread

Apparently we can thank the Browns loss to the fellas thinking having a hot tub together during a pandemic was a good idea. Classic Browns.
Lol maybe they thought it was the hot tub time machine and would take them back to when the Browns were dominant.
.....I like the black on whites. I wish we went all black for home primetime games, because it always has and always will feel “right” for ravens all black night games, but I do like the black on whites a lot actually.

but yeah the nfl is so fucking stupid with uniform rules, it’s fun to change things up and the nfl seriously discourages it. I’d like to see us go a different route for color rush and make an all black uni out of our qb practice jerseys, put a single line of gold trim around the purple number, black pants, purple stripe w/ gold border. All black and purple, no white at all, minimal trim, like the lakers black on purples
I’m not at all a fan of the black and whites. It’s too much of the “Joe Flacco” era uniform to me. I like the black jersey purple pants combo though.
I think what the league has to figure out moving foward is QB contracts. The current mechanism is flawed, it rewards below average to mediocre qbs. Lately, we've seen too many of them (Flacco, Goff, Wentz, Cousins, ...) and they really cause too much damage. I don't know if teams choose riskier approaches in regard to roster structure and it seems like there are more all-in teams than ever.
In some way you would think that the NFL may implement a bailout option specifically for QB contracts gone wrong. Then again as rmjacket said it’s self inflicted so eh. No offence to those teams right against the cap but we didn’t complain when we had Joe. We all probably knew his days were coming to an end whether we wanted to admit it or not.
If Wink gets a HC job like people are expecting at this point, I'm curious who moves up to DC. We've traditionally promoted from within and I wouldn't think this year would be any different. Chris Hewitt seems like the obvious candidate, but wouldn't count out Mike MacDonald either, who has gotten a lot of praise in recent years.
I wonder what job it is because Wink said before he would only leave for the “right gig”.
I just don’t envision an extremely defensive minded players coach like wink having a ton of offers, that’s just not how the nfl works anymore.

if he moves on though... I doubt anyone in house can do wht he does
Yeah but we’ve seen DCs go lately too a la Flores, the guy in Detroit, and others. Offense is sexy but defense is still valued.
 
You do realize that experience is almost the only thing that matters for most teams? Like there's maybe a small handful of teams in this league that hire a HC who doesn't have extensive coordinator experience.

Even Joe Judge had like 8 years as ST coach under Belichick. And he was a "surprising" hire. And he checked the box as "unqualified" by many.

And his pedigree is like double Wink's. But experience doesn't matter? How the hell do you think guys like Gruden and McCarthy are still in this league?

I don't know what you have against Wink but if you don't see him as a viable candidate, I don't know what to tell you. Cherry pick guys that fit your narrative instead of considering guys like Nagy (2 years of play calling experience) or LaFleur (2 years of play calling experience) who clearly don't have the "experience" necessary to lead a football team.
 
You do realize that experience is almost the only thing that matters for most teams? Like there's maybe a small handful of teams in this league that hire a HC who doesn't have extensive coordinator experience.

Even Joe Judge had like 8 years as ST coach under Belichick. And he was a "surprising" hire. And he checked the box as "unqualified" by many.

And his pedigree is like double Wink's. But experience doesn't matter? How the hell do you think guys like Gruden and McCarthy are still in this league?

Also love how this argument went from "teams are only going to want to hire young offensive minds" to "teams are only going to want to hire lifelong football guys with tons of experience"

There is no formula.
 
I don't know what you have against Wink but if you don't see him as a viable candidate, I don't know what to tell you. Cherry pick guys that fit your narrative instead of considering guys like Nagy (2 years of play calling experience) or LaFleur (2 years of play calling experience) who clearly don't have the "experience" necessary to lead a football team.

and zac taylor (0 years of playcalling experience)
 
Lol maybe they thought it was the hot tub time machine and would take them back to when the Browns were dominant.

I’m not at all a fan of the black and whites. It’s too much of the “Joe Flacco” era uniform to me. I like the black jersey purple pants combo though.

In some way you would think that the NFL may implement a bailout option specifically for QB contracts gone wrong. Then again as rmjacket said it’s self inflicted so eh. No offence to those teams right against the cap but we didn’t complain when we had Joe. We all probably knew his days were coming to an end whether we wanted to admit it or not.

I wonder what job it is because Wink said before he would only leave for the “right gig”.

Yeah but we’ve seen DCs go lately too a la Flores, the guy in Detroit, and others. Offense is sexy but defense is still valued.
I wasn't precise enough when I worded my 1st post. I meant teams. Obviously part of this issue is the increasing salary cap. All I'm saying is that teams shouldn't reward average qbs as much as they did in the past 10 years.
 
Also love how this argument went from "teams are only going to want to hire young offensive minds" to "teams are only going to want to hire lifelong football guys with tons of experience"

There is no formula.

Look there is some merit to the young offensive minded coaches and there is some merit to the idea that coaches with long tenures and experience eventually get rewarded with head coaching gigs. However, it would be weird to ignore anyone who is in the inbetween range. As far as I've read, teams usually prioritize fit. That sounds like the worst most cop out word and it kind of is, but it kind of isn't. Fit is actually important because it's variable and not static. Every team has a different crew, vision, philosophy. That's why timing is so important, who is out there at the time they're needed who can fit a team's vision.

All that being said, Wink is good at what he does, works hard, and is liked by players and coaches. That description probably describes quite a number of people though. He'll get interviews and if he's the right fit for a team, they'll hire him. If not, they won't. He's certainly not guaranteed anything, but all indications say he's being looked at.
 
I wasn't precise enough when I worded my 1st post. I meant teams. Obviously part of this issue is the increasing salary cap. All I'm saying is that teams shouldn't reward average qbs as much as they did in the past 10 years.

i think those teams that have been burnt by it have learned that lesson

we're really only waiting for those teams who've not had that problem to learn that lesson too
 
I think i was the one who brought up the names of winks' potential assistants. I mentioned those names because it shows he's prepared to interview again and be in the mix for a hc gig. I didn't say he'll get hired or he'll get hired because of his staff.
 
Look there is some merit to the young offensive minded coaches and there is some merit to the idea that coaches with long tenures and experience eventually get rewarded with head coaching gigs. However, it would be weird to ignore anyone who is in the inbetween range. As far as I've read, teams usually prioritize fit. That sounds like the worst most cop out word and it kind of is, but it kind of isn't. Fit is actually important because it's variable and not static. Every team has a different crew, vision, philosophy. That's why timing is so important, who is out there at the time they're needed who can fit a team's vision.

All that being said, Wink is good at what he does, works hard, and is liked by players and coaches. That description probably describes quite a number of people though. He'll get interviews and if he's the right fit for a team, they'll hire him. If not, they won't. He's certainly not guaranteed anything, but all indications say he's being looked at.

That's all I'm trying to get at. Maybe my original "likely to be gone" wasn't the best way to describe it, but the guy is going to get interviews and he might get an offer. And just because he wasn't hired last year and doesn't fit one of those "prototypes" doesn't mean that he won't be this year. He's just as viable as a candidate as most other guys that will be on the interview circuit this year.
 
That's all I'm trying to get at. Maybe my original "likely to be gone" wasn't the best way to describe it, but the guy is going to get interviews and he might get an offer. And just because he wasn't hired last year and doesn't fit one of those "prototypes" doesn't mean that he won't be this year. He's just as viable as a candidate as most other guys that will be on the interview circuit this year.

Couldn't agree more!
 
OK, so why wasn't he hired in prior years? What's happened in 2020 that's elevated his status any higher than it was last year?

Like the defense is good? Is that the argument? Were they good in 2019, or 2018?
last year there were only 3 teams with job openings. This year there are more options or atleast it certainly seems like there will be more options and of course that isn't a guarantee he will be hired, but it certainly gives him more chances. Now you are right that many of the teams that are currently firing or about to fire a defensive coach don't want to go that route, no matter who he brings in as his offensive coordinator.

Many of these teams will want to go the route of an offensive coach even if they are coming off a failed offensive minded coach, because that is their preference or the GM's preference. In my opinion Wink checks all the boxes of what is needed to become a very good football head coach. Does that mean he will be one. That is yet to be seen.
 
I don't know what you have against Wink but if you don't see him as a viable candidate, I don't know what to tell you. Cherry pick guys that fit your narrative instead of considering guys like Nagy (2 years of play calling experience) or LaFleur (2 years of play calling experience) who clearly don't have the "experience" necessary to lead a football team.
and throw those guys in with all the retread failures. BTW even Super Bowl winning head coaches have never won on a second team. Not one of them.
 
I want to expand upon the discussion that is going on here, because I think we got away from something pretty interesting. In the situation where wink does leave (not guaranteed) what do we think the vision for our defense is?

We had a lot of years of Dean Pees and his bend don't break style. We've now had 3 years of Wink who calls a highly aggressive style of defense. These two DCs coached under the same HC and he knows good well the pros and cons to each. Do we think that whoever would get promoted or brought in would be hired to somewhat replicate a blitz heavy defense? Do we think we'd go back to a more Pees style D? Do we think we don't care at all and want to give the new guy every opportunity to be himself?
 
I want to expand upon the discussion that is going on here, because I think we got away from something pretty interesting. In the situation where wink does leave (not guaranteed) what do we think the vision for our defense is?

We had a lot of years of Dean Pees and his bend don't break style. We've now had 3 years of Wink who calls a highly aggressive style of defense. These two DCs coached under the same HC and he knows good well the pros and cons to each. Do we think that whoever would get promoted or brought in would be hired to somewhat replicate a blitz heavy defense? Do we think we'd go back to a more Pees style D? Do we think we don't care at all and want to give the new guy every opportunity to be himself?
I believe if you hire a new DC, whether he is in house or from another team, you have to allow him to be himself and call the defense that fits his scheme.
 
I don't know what you have against Wink but if you don't see him as a viable candidate, I don't know what to tell you. Cherry pick guys that fit your narrative instead of considering guys like Nagy (2 years of play calling experience) or LaFleur (2 years of play calling experience) who clearly don't have the "experience" necessary to lead a football team.
They're also offensive guys, not defensive guys. I don't think I have to explain the direction the league is going in that regard.

You call it cherry picking. I call it the reality of how the NFL operates. When you show me the list of DC's with 3 years of play calling experience who are getting hired as HC's, then we can talk.
 
They're also offensive guys, not defensive guys. I don't think I have to explain the direction the league is going in that regard.

You call it cherry picking. I call it the reality of how the NFL operates. When you show me the list of DC's with 3 years of play calling experience who are getting hired as HC's, then we can talk.

Brian Flores had 1 year and never even an official DC title
 
I want to expand upon the discussion that is going on here, because I think we got away from something pretty interesting. In the situation where wink does leave (not guaranteed) what do we think the vision for our defense is?

We had a lot of years of Dean Pees and his bend don't break style. We've now had 3 years of Wink who calls a highly aggressive style of defense. These two DCs coached under the same HC and he knows good well the pros and cons to each. Do we think that whoever would get promoted or brought in would be hired to somewhat replicate a blitz heavy defense? Do we think we'd go back to a more Pees style D? Do we think we don't care at all and want to give the new guy every opportunity to be himself?
If I was Harbaugh I'd interview different DCs (current philosophy, pees style and other styles). It never hurts to listen to what different schemes offer and what they think. But the "new dc" can't run a completely different defense. the way our defense is set up, it makes for example no sense to run a seahawks cover 3 defense. But ultimately i don't expect a Wink 2.0. (aka Trestman dilemma)
 
If I was Harbaugh I'd interview different DCs (current philosophy, pees style and other styles). It never hurts to listen to what different schemes offer and what they think. But the "new dc" can't run a completely different defense. the way our defense is set up, it makes for example no sense to run a seahawks cover 3 defense. But ultimately i don't expect a Wink 2.0. (aka Trestman dilemma)

Yeah I think it's gotta be a little bit of both. What you and @RavensMania are saying. I think the general vision is set by the team and then you have to let the coordinator be himself within those bounds. And boy was that Marty and Trestman situation rough.
 
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