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29BmoreBird22 said:
Coache's film finally came out for the Ravens-Panthers and I watched both Snead PI calls.

The only reason to throw a flag was for arson because Snead burned his man two times with absurdly strong route running. At no point in time did I see anything that resembled PI. He used his hands for hand checking at the stem of his route, but his routes were too clean and he just left his man in the dust. I have no idea how that got called.
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Those calls were devastating
 
balfan23 said:
True and we can't forget those trade backs did provide some of the draft capital needed to jump back into the 1st and pick Lamar.

That's the guy whose development could make all the difference.
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We didn't need the additional draft capital to draft lamar. It allowed us to draft two times in the 3rd round and multiple times in the 4th round.
I still think we didn't go into the draft with a plan to draft lamar.in my opinion you don't draft hurst over lamar in any case.
 
balfan23 said:
True and we can't forget those trade backs did provide some of the draft capital needed to jump back into the 1st and pick Lamar.

That's the guy whose development could make all the difference.
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exactly why I said, if it was Hurst or James straight up.
 
balfan23 said:
True and we can't forget those trade backs did provide some of the draft capital needed to jump back into the 1st and pick Lamar.

That's the guy whose development could make all the difference.
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those trades gave us a 4th rounder that contributed to the Lamar trade

but more importantly it helped us get Mark Andrews, Kenny Young, Bradley Bozeman, Jordan Lasley, Greg Senat

lasley and senat have done nothing so far (albeit senat looked like a good swing tackle and we sort of miss him) but Andrews, Kenny Young and Bozeman have all started and played well - Andrews is our 4th leading receiver in yards and tied 2nd in touchdowns (and our number 1 receiving tight end)

and this is all before we even include Hayden Hurst... so you can make an argument for taking Derwin James (which i think is fair) but remember that you are trading Derwin James for at least 3 starting players even before you include the 1st round pick - i think the more useful argument (albeit its basically moot already) is who you pick in stead of Hurst at 25 and I think there's some clear candidates to choose from both at the time of the draft and in hindsight:

Calvin Ridley
Will Hernandez
James Daniels
Anthony Miller
Harold Landry

were all ahead of Hurst on my board ill admit - I do still like the Hurst pick but I think the much more prudent argument is who you'd have picked in stead of Hurst at 25 rather than him vs Derwin James - if that's the route anyone's going to go down

as it is im more than willing to let this play out with Hurst

imagine just how terrible our team would have been this year without those players we picked up because we traded down
 
rossihunter2 said:
those trades gave us a 4th rounder that contributed to the Lamar trade

but more importantly it helped us get Mark Andrews, Kenny Young, Bradley Bozeman, Jordan Lasley, Greg Senat

lasley and senat have done nothing so far (albeit senat looked like a good swing tackle and we sort of miss him) but Andrews, Kenny Young and Bozeman have all started and played well - Andrews is our 4th leading receiver in yards and tied 2nd in touchdowns (and our number 1 receiving tight end)

and this is all before we even include Hayden Hurst... so you can make an argument for taking Derwin James (which i think is fair) but remember that you are trading Derwin James for at least 3 starting players even before you include the 1st round pick - i think the more useful argument (albeit its basically moot already) is who you pick in stead of Hurst at 25 and I think there's some clear candidates to choose from both at the time of the draft and in hindsight:

Calvin Ridley
Will Hernandez
James Daniels
Anthony Miller
Harold Landry

were all ahead of Hurst on my board ill admit - I do still like the Hurst pick but I think the much more prudent argument is who you'd have picked in stead of Hurst at 25 rather than him vs Derwin James - if that's the route anyone's going to go down

as it is im more than willing to let this play out with Hurst

imagine just how terrible our team would have been this year without those players we picked up because we traded down
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Imagine how terrible we would be without Young, Bozeman, Andrews, senat, and Lasley? Really?

We literally would hardly be any worse. Young hasn’t even taken the majority of snaps away from peanut yet. Losing Andrews’ production would not make us “terrible”
 
JAAM said:
I’d rather trade for a RB. I like our WR’s. Collins is nothing more than a change of pace back, and this is coming from one of his biggest fans.
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I like them as well but it comes with a caveat. I think we like them compared to the unit last year which was the worst in the league and by a good distance. When you compare them however, to any team in the league, then I think you can legit say that there's probably only a handful of teams that you would take this receiving unit over. I think John Brown is a good player but he's much more suited for a #2 role with a true #1 right in front of him, that would make this passing attack dangerous but that's going to be hard to do without a trade given the upcoming FA/Draft class.

My frustration is more built up with this WR history. With the way this current FA class of WR is set up we could easily see John Brown get set up for a massive pay day and would have to go out there and just like always find a guy who solid but not spectacular, and if they were spectacular then they were old or didn't stay for long.
 
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TheCity5 said:
I like them as well but it comes with a caveat. I think we like them compared to the unit last year which was the worst in the league and by a good distance. When you compare them however, to any team in the league, then I think you can legit say that there's probably only a handful of teams that you would take this receiving unit over. I think John Brown is a good player but he's much more suited for a #2 role with a true #1 right in front of him, that would make this passing attack dangerous but that's going to be hard to do without a trade given the upcoming FA/Draft class.

My frustration is more built up with this WR crew. With the way this current FA class of WR is set up we could easily see John Brown get set up for a massive pay day and would have to go out there and find a guy who solid but not spectacular, and if they were spectacular then they were old or didn't stay for long.
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You got that one spot on. We've been so deprived of quality WR play that now crumbs look like a tastiest chocolate cake.
 
allblackraven said:
You got that one spot on. We've been so deprived of quality WR play that now crumbs look like a tastiest chocolate cake.
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We never sign guys who have competitive offers, just guys who are cut that teams didn't even want. The lack of WR talent on the roster over the years has reached it's limit for nearly four years and every year it shows, I don't know what it will take for this team to just be aggressive with the position and approach it the same way they do with CB/Pass rusher. Lack of skill players has been a problem for a longer period time and I would argue a bigger problem then any position on the roster since the SB.
 
TheCity5 said:
We never sign guys who have competitive offers, just guys who are cut that teams didn't even want. The lack of WR talent on the roster over the years has reached it's limit for nearly four years and every year it shows, I don't know what it will take for this team to just be aggressive with the position and approach it the same way they do with CB/Pass rusher. Lack of skill players has been a problem for a longer period time and I would argue a bigger problem then any position on the roster since the SB.
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we need to do what we did with pass rusher last year and tight end this year
we need to follow the blueprint of the broncos this year and titans the year before at wr - double down at the position with 2 high picks at the position of need

broncos now have a young wr corps that makes them comfortable trading away demaryius thomas
titans now have a young wr corps that means they can shed any non-bought in players
 
rossihunter2 said:
we need to do what we did with pass rusher last year and tight end this year
we need to follow the blueprint of the broncos this year and titans the year before at wr - double down at the position with 2 high picks at the position of need

broncos now have a young wr corps that makes them comfortable trading away demaryius thomas
titans now have a young wr corps that means they can shed any non-bought in players
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I agree but we need to do this with the oline before anything. Lamar will kill teams in the middle of the field the more Hurst and Andrews develop and those two are going to lessen the need in the long run. He ain't going to get anything done unless he has a mauling offensive line ahead of him. WR is a need, but I think John Brown, at bare minimum, will be the recipient of the franchise tag. Yes, over CJ. Brown is in his prime and has a few very good years left. We need to draft two interior guys, one C, one G. Possibly three, if we choose to groom a replacement for Yanda this early. No more Lewis and Hurst and Skura as starters. They're a big reason why we're struggling at the moment.

Snead and Brown are two nice guys to help build a WR corps around. I could see us releasing Crabtree this offseason if we so choose to.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I agree but we need to do this with the oline before anything. Lamar will kill teams in the middle of the field the more Hurst and Andrews develop and those two are going to lessen the need in the long run. He ain't going to get anything done unless he has a mauling offensive line ahead of him. WR is a need, but I think John Brown, at bare minimum, will be the recipient of the franchise tag. Yes, over CJ. Brown is in his prime and has a few very good years left. We need to draft two interior guys, one C, one G. Possibly three, if we choose to groom a replacement for Yanda this early. No more Lewis and Hurst and Skura as starters. They're a big reason why we're struggling at the moment.

Snead and Brown are two nice guys to help build a WR corps around. I could see us releasing Crabtree this offseason if we so choose to.
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A lot of money to invest in a guy who hasn't stayed healthy for a majority of his career. I'd love to keep Brown, but we've been down this road before. I'm not making any offensive personnel decisions until the coaching situation is sorted out. And yes. That's me assuming we go a new direction.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
I agree but we need to do this with the oline before anything. Lamar will kill teams in the middle of the field the more Hurst and Andrews develop and those two are going to lessen the need in the long run. He ain't going to get anything done unless he has a mauling offensive line ahead of him. WR is a need, but I think John Brown, at bare minimum, will be the recipient of the franchise tag. Yes, over CJ. Brown is in his prime and has a few very good years left. We need to draft two interior guys, one C, one G. Possibly three, if we choose to groom a replacement for Yanda this early. No more Lewis and Hurst and Skura as starters. They're a big reason why we're struggling at the moment.

Snead and Brown are two nice guys to help build a WR corps around. I could see us releasing Crabtree this offseason if we so choose to.
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i dont know that we need to double down with high picks at OL - we need at least 1 high pick interior pickup but we're not desperate for 2 (not that id be opposed to doubling down if those were the value picks)
 
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