The Random Thought Thread

[TheCity5]

Brock was young and was starting for the first time, on the uptick as in teams thought he was the future.

Nobody thinks joe is the future. Cutler and glennon still to this day make no fucking sense what so ever lol, like I can not fathom it at all, and I just can’t reasonably expect that a team would do that again.

Flacco is better than those guys, but I just can’t see it happening. Lessons had to have been learned somewhere along the line. That’s why I’m saying a third and not a second

A lot of people criticize the Texans for the decision to pay Brock. There’s no getting around it. It’s one thing if the move wasn't made in hindsight but it was because everyone thought the deal was asinine.

As far as Glennon and Cutler go, it made no sense, correct but that’s how the NFL is and nothing is going to change that, especially now. People will pay a high price for a QB and if I can recall Tyrod Taylor got the Bills a 3rd round pick in a trade. Is there any argument to make there?

No lesson is going to be learned, people are going to bang their heads on a wall until they find a QB and Joe will have a hot market for a team that’s a QB away from contending.

 

[ravenslord]

If Harbaugh gets fired and heads to Cleveland we can trade Joe to the Browns for Baker Mayfield !
Harbaugh would do this trade !

 

[Grim]

Y’all have gone from giving constructive criticism of Joe to flat out being disrespectful. Lol

Who has done this?

 

[allblackraven]

No lesson is going to be learned, people are going to bang their heads on a wall until they find a QB and Joe will have a hot market for a team that’s a QB away from contending.

See, that's a misconception.

The Ravens are a team that's a QB away from contending. We need a quarterback.

 

[balfan23]

So much chatter involving our team with respect to Harbaugh. Most in the media I'm hearing basically saying he should stay, citing the following reasons:

• Need to see what he can do with someone other than Flacco at QB (basically saying he's the reason for the playoff drought)
• Don't want to have so much turnover in a single season (new GM, QB and HC all at once)
• He's a quality coach - if we let him go, predictions he will go elsewhere (like Cleveland) and turn an organization around.
• The players seem to be behind him

Well ... on that last point ... if they want to save his job, then let's see a little fire out there. I didn't really see it in the Steelers game. We've been pretty well man-handled these past two games up front. The O line not surprising but our D has been weak.

 

[Grim]

So much chatter involving our team with respect to Harbaugh. Most in the media I'm hearing basically saying he should stay, citing the following reasons:

• Need to see what he can do with someone other than Flacco at QB (basically saying he's the reason for the playoff drought)
• Don't want to have so much turnover in a single season (new GM, QB and HC all at once)
• He's a quality coach - if we let him go, predictions he will go elsewhere (like Cleveland) and turn an organization around.
• The players seem to be behind him

Well ... on that last point ... if they want to save his job, then let's see a little fire out there. I didn't really see it in the Steelers game. We've been pretty well man-handled these past two games up front. The O line not surprising but our D has been weak.

You read this in the media? I swear I said this like yesterday but I didn't even read or hear this in the media so that's why I ask. I'm just wondering because maybe that validates my belief unless you read it here from me then never mind. I just thought that's how Steve would approach it--reduce the amount of immediate change and also see if he can do something with Lamar and then kick him to the curb if not. Only issue is it puts you behind the 8 ball in terms of coach search if you really like a guy this year.

 

[allblackraven]

So much chatter involving our team with respect to Harbaugh. Most in the media I'm hearing basically saying he should stay, citing the following reasons:

• Need to see what he can do with someone other than Flacco at QB (basically saying he's the reason for the playoff drought)
• Don't want to have so much turnover in a single season (new GM, QB and HC all at once)
• He's a quality coach - if we let him go, predictions he will go elsewhere (like Cleveland) and turn an organization around.
• The players seem to be behind him

Well ... on that last point ... if they want to save his job, then let's see a little fire out there. I didn't really see it in the Steelers game. We've been pretty well man-handled these past two games up front. The O line not surprising but our D has been weak.

I think there's a lot of lazy journalism out there, repeating stuff that someone else said first.

- don't need to see Harbaugh with some other QB - he would screw that one up with incompetent OC, too
- new GMs usually want their HC and QB on the team, what's the problem?
- it's very debatable after watching last 4 years of the same crap
- that one might be true but most of the players always say that

 

[allblackraven]

You read this in the media? I swear I said this like yesterday but I didn't even read or hear this in the media so that's why I ask. I'm just wondering because maybe that validates my belief unless you read it here from me then never mind. I just thought that's how Steve would approach it--reduce the amount of immediate change and also see if he can do something with Lamar and then kick him to the curb if not. Only issue is it puts you behind the 8 ball in terms of coach search if you really like a guy this year.

I 100% disagree (see my reply above).

 

[rossihunter2]

With joes contract I think the best he can get us is a third

joe's contract would be cheap for anyone taking him on - if anything his contract would get us a higher pick than we would otherwise get

i agree that the ceiling is probably a 3 anyway though lol

 

[rossihunter2]

• Don't want to have so much turnover in a single season (new GM, QB and HC all at once)

this point isnt a reason for him to stay its 100% the most likely reason for him to go

Eric would get to pick his guy to be his coach and would get to shape the organisation from his inception as GM
it makes more sense to do it all in a single offseason than spread it out over multiple offseasons...

 

[TheCity5]

See, that's a misconception.

The Ravens are a team that's a QB away from contending. We need a quarterback.

No we are not.

Offensive line still needs work, pass blocking is good but run blocking is downright atrocious and you have a liability in Skura to go along with Hurst who is average and Lewis himself who is average and can be a liability at times. Stanley is good but not elite with Yanda who is elite and Brown. You don't have a single workhorse back, no elite players at the skill position, no elite players on defense outside of maybe Michael Pierce but that's a huge maybe.

If you really want to say we're a QB away, name one thing this team can hang their hat on? You can't run the ball, the OL is good at pass blocking but equally as bad run blocking, you can't generate turnovers, sacks, and when you face a good offense with a good QB at the healm you downright stink up the place on defense. Don't even get me started on coaching because this team is getting worked on that end by the opposition. As far as pass catchers go, they just look good compared to what we have last year. John Brown is a good player, I'll say that but he was let go by Arizona and I think he's better suited for a #2 role. Crab got cut by Oakland who dumped him for Jordy Nelson and I'm disappointed because he's facing consistent 1v1 coverage at times and is not winning. Snead on the other hand was let go by New Orleans who didn't even want to match his incentive laced deal. You can say what you want about them being an upgrade but on the other hand I wouldn't be suprised to see a fresh group of WRs next year. If you think this team is a contender, name me one thing that we can do better than anyone else in the league or at least the large majority.

Maybe if you have Aaron Rodgers you can contend for a title. I would say so but outside of that you can't right now.

 

[TheCity5]

Who has done this?

All you have to do is go back a page or two.

 

[Grim]

No we are not.

Offensive line still needs work, pass blocking is good but run blocking is downright atrocious and you have a liability in Skura to go along with Hurst who is average and Lewis himself who is average and can be a liability at times. Stanley is good but not elite with Yanda who is elite and Brown. You don't have a single workhorse back, no elite players at the skill position, no elite players on defense outside of maybe Michael Pierce but that's a huge maybe.

If you really want to say we're a QB away, name one thing this team can hang their hat on? You can't run the ball, the OL is good at pass blocking but equally as bad run blocking, you can't generate turnovers, sacks, and when you face a good offense with a good QB at the healm you downright stink up the place on defense. Don't even get me started on coaching because this team is getting worked on that end by the opposition. As far as pass catchers go, they just look good compared to what we have last year. John Brown is a good player, I'll say that but he was let go by Arizona and I think he's better suited for a #2 role. Crab got cut by Oakland who dumped him for Jordy Nelson and I'm disappointed because he's facing consistent 1v1 coverage at times and is not winning. Snead on the other hand was let go by New Orleans who didn't even want to match his incentive laced deal. You can say what you want about them being an upgrade but on the other hand I wouldn't be suprised to see a fresh group of WRs next year. If you think this team is a contender, name me one thing that we can do better than anyone else in the league or at least the large majority.

Maybe if you have Aaron Rodgers you can contend for a title. I would say so but outside of that you can't right now.

Shoot, Brown isn’t even on the team next year unless we re-sign him.

 

[TheCity5]

Shoot, Brown isn’t even on the team next year unless we re-sign him.

Exactly, I would keep Brown but he's more of a #2 to me. He would be a really good #2 because he would shred teams in that role, but when he's isolated with teams rolling coverage on him then he doesn't look that great. Someone is going to realize this and pay him big money.

 

[allblackraven]

No we are not.

Offensive line still needs work, pass blocking is good but run blocking is downright atrocious and you have a liability in Skura to go along with Hurst who is average and Lewis himself who is average and can be a liability at times. Stanley is good but not elite with Yanda who is elite and Brown. You don't have a single workhorse back, no elite players at the skill position, no elite players on defense outside of maybe Michael Pierce but that's a huge maybe.

If you really want to say we're a QB away, name one thing this team can hang their hat on? You can't run the ball, the OL is good at pass blocking but equally as bad run blocking, you can't generate turnovers, sacks, and when you face a good offense with a good QB at the healm you downright stink up the place on defense. Don't even get me started on coaching because this team is getting worked on that end by the opposition. As far as pass catchers go, they just look good compared to what we have last year. John Brown is a good player, I'll say that but he was let go by Arizona and I think he's better suited for a #2 role. Crab got cut by Oakland who dumped him for Jordy Nelson and I'm disappointed because he's facing consistent 1v1 coverage at times and is not winning. Snead on the other hand was let go by New Orleans who didn't even want to match his incentive laced deal. You can say what you want about them being an upgrade but on the other hand I wouldn't be suprised to see a fresh group of WRs next year. If you think this team is a contender, name me one thing that we can do better than anyone else in the league or at least the large majority.

Maybe if you have Aaron Rodgers you can contend for a title. I would say so but outside of that you can't right now.

I meant contending for playoff.
That seems to be insurmountable mountain for us last 4 years.

 

[TheCity5]

I meant contending for playoff.
That seems to be insurmountable mountain for us last 4 years.

It's the little things that don't have to do with Joe that has killed us in the past also. The Bills and the Titans made the playoffs and they don't or didn't have much of a QB themselves. By that metric we don't need a QB. Titans and Bills make the post-season because when it matters most, they make stops. Last year, this team had the lead in 4th and 12th and gave up a TD with a minute remaining. They also gave up a game winning TD drive to the Steelers and got knocked out the post-season. Let's not forget the 2015 season where blowing leads was a religion for the defense. Even besides that Bengals game, we couldn't even get a stop against Pittsburgh last year, after putting up 38 points, and had we won that game we wouldn't even be having this discussion about our playoff drought.

Missing the post-season for the past four years and putting the blame sorely on Joe is just purely frustration and ignoring the big problem on the otherside that are clearly there.

 

[rossihunter2]

It's the little things that don't have to do with Joe that has killed us in the past also. The Bills and the Titans made the playoffs and they don't or didn't have much of a QB themselves. By that metric we don't need a QB. Titans and Bills make the post-season because when it matters most, they make stops. Last year, this team had the lead in 4th and 12th and gave up a TD with a minute remaining. They also gave up a game winning TD drive to the Steelers and got knocked out the post-season. Let's not forget the 2015 season where blowing leads was a religion for the defense. Even besides that Bengals game, we couldn't even get a stop against Pittsburgh last year, after putting up 38 points, and had we won that game we wouldn't even be having this discussion about our playoff drought.

Missing the post-season for the past four years and putting the blame sorely on Joe is just purely frustration and ignoring the big problem on the otherside that are clearly there.

im not saying we have deserved to be in the playoffs
but the titans and bills both backed into the playoffs by accident off the back of terrible schedules that fed them easy wins

 

[TheCity5]

im not saying we have deserved to be in the playoffs
but the titans and bills both backed into the playoffs by accident off the back of terrible schedules that fed them easy wins

That is false, the Bills had a tougher schedule then us. They played the Chiefs, Patriots(Twice), Falcons(Won that), Saints, and the Panthers. That's not easy by any means and similar to the one we have this year. In fact, the Bills had the 5th hardest SOS at .561 coming into the season and it likely increased at the end of the year. Likewise, Tennesse had a schedule that was solid but a few tough teams in there as well. On the other hand we faced a slew of back up QBs and still couldn't make the postseason.

 

[rossihunter2]

That is false, the Bills had a tougher schedule then us. They played the Chiefs, Patriots(Twice), Falcons(Won that), Saints, and the Panthers. That's not easy by any means and similar to the one we have this year. In fact, the Bills had the 5th hardest SOS at .561 coming into the season and it likely increased at the end of the year. Likewise, Tennesse had a schedule that was solid but a few tough teams in there as well. On the other hand we faced a slew of back up QBs and still couldn't make the postseason.

the bills also got 4 games against the dolphins and jets
and also got to play the raiders, broncos, bucs and colts

that should have been 8 wins straight off the bat but they slipped up once vs the jets so they only went 7-1 in those gimmes - yes they beat the chiefs and falcons (but they got the falcons when their offence was dysfunctional and they got the chiefs when their offence was dysfunctional) - still they beat 2 playoff teams so well done to them - they went 9-7 with a schedule where they should have been able to sleepwalk to at least 8 wins

the reason their SOS was so high is because of the records of the teams that beat them for the mostpart

the titans had a weird season - they beat some great teams like the Jags (twice) but also lost some howlers...
They had 7 games they probably should have won straight up but went 3-4 in those "gimmes" but they beat the jags twice and went 3-1 vs the AFC North and the NFC West

 

[TheCity5]

the bills also got 4 games against the dolphins and jets
and also got to play the raiders, broncos, bucs and colts

that should have been 8 wins straight off the bat but they slipped up once vs the jets so they only went 7-1 in those gimmes - yes they beat the chiefs and falcons (but they got the falcons when their offence was dysfunctional and they got the chiefs when their offence was dysfunctional) - still they beat 2 playoff teams so well done to them - they went 9-7 with a schedule where they should have been able to sleepwalk to at least 8 wins

the reason their SOS was so high is because of the records of the teams that beat them for the mostpart

the titans had a weird season - they beat some great teams like the Jags (twice) but also lost some howlers...
They had 7 games they probably should have won straight up but went 3-4 in those "gimmes" but they beat the jags twice and went 3-1 vs the AFC North and the NFC West

You think they were going to play that hard of a schedule for a full 16 game season? No one gets a schedule in which they play a playoff team for 16 games straight if that's what you're looking for. If we had 8 opportunities to play a playoff team that same year we most likely are taking a mean L.

We played Oakland and Indy too, and Cleveland twice to go along with Texans, Greenbay, and Miami, with a back up QB. As far as KC and ATL go, do you think in that position we would win both of those games? Still two teams that made the post-season so give credit where it's due, we didn't manage to beat a single team that made the post-season that year and yes, we played the Titans that year and lost.

Yes, the got beat by good teams, but in the end, they did what they had to in order to make it. Blew a 19 point lead against Miami and their defense got them a stop with an interception to seal the deal. It's those types of plays our defense needs to make.