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The Random Thought Thread

All_black_everything said:
California. And what makes you say that?
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1. You're in CA, so unlikely you'll find any legal online sports betting options.
2. Parlay payouts are usually terrible odds for the risks you're taking. You're required to win all bets in order to win, and the payout you get isn't reflective of the true odds you're taking by picking all of the winners. Sportsbooks L O V E love when they take parlay bets. Huge profit maker for the sportsbook.

See #2.
https://sportshandle.com/6-of-the-most-common-beginner-sport-bettor-mistakes/
 


I do not and will not understand why people get mad that people won't get the vaccine. I already knew that based off my health it was best for me to get the vaccine, so I got the vaccine in July.

Colts LB Darius Leonard said he wants more information, more info on long term effects, etc. Yet he's being called an anti-vaxxer for using common sense on a vaccine that was rushed with no time to study it for short or long term effects.
 
JO_75 said:


I do not and will not understand why people get mad that people won't get the vaccine. I already knew that based off my health it was best for me to get the vaccine, so I got the vaccine in July.

Colts LB Darius Leonard said he wants more information, more info on long term effects, etc. Yet he's being called an anti-vaxxer for using common sense on a vaccine that was rushed with no time to study it for short or long term effects.
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because the likelihood of long-term effects is almost infinitesimal - historically vaccine side-effects have almost no long-term side-effects and any major side-effects are likely to occur within the first 2 months - and the technology involved in both different types of covid vaccines have been around for decades

the fear of long-term consequences is completely misplaced and i'm not sure how much he needs to see before he's satisfied... at what point is it long enough because we've got almost a year's worth of data already from pfizer and the others arent far behind...

so common sense would suggest that you take the vaccine which is incredibly unlikely to have negative impacts on you to prevent getting covid which has proven to have an adverse impact on millions around the world both in the short-term and long-term...
 
JO_75 said:


I do not and will not understand why people get mad that people won't get the vaccine. I already knew that based off my health it was best for me to get the vaccine, so I got the vaccine in July.

Colts LB Darius Leonard said he wants more information, more info on long term effects, etc. Yet he's being called an anti-vaxxer for using common sense on a vaccine that was rushed with no time to study it for short or long term effects.
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Your thoughts will be lost on most, to me and you it’s “common sense”. to others its “doctors and scientists fucking say it’s okay so just take it you moron”.
 
All_black_everything said:
I lost contact with my previous guy and was hoping they had something modernized online lol but I’ll figure something out
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Well if you're in a state that allows online sports betting (CA isn't one), then there's tons of modern shit. Here in VA I can bet anytime I want on anything a sports book is willing to post, and do it from my phone.

My advice is if you're going to seek out parlays or teasers on illegal sports betting sites, keep your money and do something else.

Plus a bookie is going to give you crap odds no matter what, so good luck with that.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Your thoughts will be lost on most, to me and you it’s “common sense”. to others its “doctors and scientists fucking say it’s okay so just take it you moron”.
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Well, its a combination of various things.

For starters a lot of people don't think his stance is stupid. There are plenty of people that have stupid stance's and often lie about their reasons for not getting it, but this isn't one of them. I've been embarrassing a lot of the "it's not FDA approved" crowd for months, and sure enough, Pfizer gets approval, and I'm not seeing any rush from anybody to get a vaccine now, so apparently that wasn't it. But I digress...

If I were having an open discussion with Leonard, I would ask this:
1. How is he measuring "the long term", and what exactly is he looking for? Is it months, years, etc.? In some cases, the long term impacts of a vaccine, if there are negative one's, may not fully be measured for a decade or longer. Leonard will be long since retired by that point, in which case nobody will care if he ever gets vaccinated.
2. I would ask him to show me what the long term effects of COVID are. And, of course, he can't do it. Many of the people I've discussed about "long term effects" seem to take a 50% analysis position, which is they want to know what the long term impact of the vaccine is, but aren't really considering what the long term impact of getting COVID is. They view it as "well I'll get COVID, get a little sick, and recover". Maybe, maybe not. Maybe your life will be shortened decades from now because of the impact of the virus and the toll it takes on you now.

And so if we all agree that nobody seems to be able to evaluate the long term impact of either decision, my final question would be... why is that a part of your decision making process, when both sides are total unknowns? He won't find barely any "information" on the long term effects of 10 month old vaccine or a 2 year old virus. He'll find a lot of opinions about the effects and conjecture and predictions and blah blah blah. He won't find anything factual.

So in my opinion, it should boil down to what puts you in the best position in the short term.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well, its a combination of various things.

For starters a lot of people don't think his stance is stupid. There are plenty of people that have stupid stance's and often lie about their reasons for not getting it, but this isn't one of them. I've been embarrassing a lot of the "it's not FDA approved" crowd for months, and sure enough, Pfizer gets approval, and I'm not seeing any rush from anybody to get a vaccine now, so apparently that wasn't it. But I digress...

If I were having an open discussion with Leonard, I would ask this:
1. How is he measuring "the long term", and what exactly is he looking for? Is it months, years, etc.? In some cases, the long term impacts of a vaccine, if there are negative one's, may not fully be measured for a decade or longer. Leonard will be long since retired by that point, in which case nobody will care if he ever gets vaccinated.
2. I would ask him to show me what the long term effects of COVID are. And, of course, he can't do it. Many of the people I've discussed about "long term effects" seem to take a 50% analysis position, which is they want to know what the long term impact of the vaccine is, but aren't really considering what the long term impact of getting COVID is. They view it as "well I'll get COVID, get a little sick, and recover". Maybe, maybe not. Maybe your life will be shortened decades from now because of the impact of the virus and the toll it takes on you now.

And so if we all agree that nobody seems to be able to evaluate the long term impact of either decision, my final question would be... why is that a part of your decision making process, when both sides are total unknowns? He won't find barely any "information" on the long term effects of 10 month old vaccine or a 2 year old virus. He'll find a lot of opinions about the effects and conjecture and predictions and blah blah blah. He won't find anything factual.

So in my opinion, it should boil down to what puts you in the best position in the short term.
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but also we've already started to see long-term effects of getting covid
and we've not started to see any long-term effects of getting the vaccine (and based on historical precedent are unlikely to)
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well if you're in a state that allows online sports betting (CA isn't one), then there's tons of modern shit. Here in VA I can bet anytime I want on anything a sports book is willing to post, and do it from my phone.

My advice is if you're going to seek out parlays or teasers on illegal sports betting sites, keep your money and do something else.

Plus a bookie is going to give you crap odds no matter what, so good luck with that.
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I know the odds aren’t in my favor and my money is best spent elsewhere but it gives me a good reason to watch other games throughout the weekend. Anyways, I appreciate the insight!
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well, its a combination of various things.

For starters a lot of people don't think his stance is stupid. There are plenty of people that have stupid stance's and often lie about their reasons for not getting it, but this isn't one of them. I've been embarrassing a lot of the "it's not FDA approved" crowd for months, and sure enough, Pfizer gets approval, and I'm not seeing any rush from anybody to get a vaccine now, so apparently that wasn't it. But I digress...

If I were having an open discussion with Leonard, I would ask this:
1. How is he measuring "the long term", and what exactly is he looking for? Is it months, years, etc.? In some cases, the long term impacts of a vaccine, if there are negative one's, may not fully be measured for a decade or longer. Leonard will be long since retired by that point, in which case nobody will care if he ever gets vaccinated.
2. I would ask him to show me what the long term effects of COVID are. And, of course, he can't do it. Many of the people I've discussed about "long term effects" seem to take a 50% analysis position, which is they want to know what the long term impact of the vaccine is, but aren't really considering what the long term impact of getting COVID is. They view it as "well I'll get COVID, get a little sick, and recover". Maybe, maybe not. Maybe your life will be shortened decades from now because of the impact of the virus and the toll it takes on you now.

And so if we all agree that nobody seems to be able to evaluate the long term impact of either decision, my final question would be... why is that a part of your decision making process, when both sides are total unknowns? He won't find barely any "information" on the long term effects of 10 month old vaccine or a 2 year old virus. He'll find a lot of opinions about the effects and conjecture and predictions and blah blah blah. He won't find anything factual.

So in my opinion, it should boil down to what puts you in the best position in the short term.
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Well fda approval means fuckall to me considering we’ve been putting toxic fda approved shit in our bodies for decades.

to me it’s about just not being comfortable for the simple fact that it’s been in humans for about a year now and that’s not long term to me. I see no benefit to getting it other than lessening the symptoms, but me being a young and healthy individual in the best shape of my life and having been through it before and knowing that I will be fine, kinda outweighs any risk in getting the vaccine, and what I perceive as risk others perceive as flat out stupidity but that’s called perspective and many are unable to accept that. Ranitidine was sold for decades as daily OTC heartburn medicine and suddenly its revealed that it contains carcinogens and is immediately removed from shelves. Thalidomide was commonly used to treat nausea in pregnant women and then thousands of kids were born without entire limbs as a result, so yeah I see something this brand new and consider it extremely risky and the fda doesn’t exactly calm my nerves.

consider me the control group, it’s not a political thing for me, I’m just not comfortable taking this vaccine and multiple doses this early on, and anyone that has a problem with it, well I don’t give a shit lol.

and fuck I promised I wouldn’t dive into this topic so I’m gonna shut myself up again and won’t be further responding.
 
rossihunter2 said:
because the likelihood of long-term effects is almost infinitesimal - historically vaccine side-effects have almost no long-term side-effects and any major side-effects are likely to occur within the first 2 months - and the technology involved in both different types of covid vaccines have been around for decades

the fear of long-term consequences is completely misplaced and i'm not sure how much he needs to see before he's satisfied... at what point is it long enough because we've got almost a year's worth of data already from pfizer and the others arent far behind...

so common sense would suggest that you take the vaccine which is incredibly unlikely to have negative impacts on you to prevent getting covid which has proven to have an adverse impact on millions around the world both in the short-term and long-term...
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You are responding with rationale to a theory that is irrational. Every person that is vaccine hesitant has been vaccinated before he could even say his ABC. The fact that he can say DEF today means the effects are minimal, insignificant or non-existent. However, one must understand that this is the rationale being thrown around by people who get their news from sites that are spreading willful misinformation for political and ideological gains.

If you remember, just a little while ago, one of the reasons for not taking the vaccine was it wasn't fully approved by the FDA and rushed? While the ones that got the disease were completely fine with taking medicines to mitigate the disease (also partially approved by the FDA), they were totally against the vaccine itself. Totally illogical and hypocritical to me. Now, very recently the Pfizer vaccine has been fully approved by the FDA and all you hear are crickets surrounding that excuse. The excuses will keep evolving and end up taking more unvaccinated children to the hospital and clog up our healthcare system, all for illogical, nefarious, or for faux and ill-understood freedoms and liberties.
 
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