The Random Thought Thread

[Deebo813]

Man fuck Floyd he shouldn’t even be mentioned among goats, he handpicks his fights and turns fights down until guys are past their primes, the goats didn’t cherry-pick fights they took any fight that came their way because they knew they were winning no matter what.

Sarcasm right?

 

[UPennChem]

i mean i get it - but also let's not lose to the bears - let's beat the remaining bad team on our schedule - division's gonna be gruelling - let's not leave the division win down to tiebreakers lol

Yeah that comment didn't apply to the bears lol. It was meant for the Packers and Rams. Although, I have an interesting feeling both of those games are easier than literary any of the 5 divisional ones

 

[Dom McRaven]

I know we already know this... but how lucky are we to have Tucker? I just watched that Santos 65 yard attempt again and it wasn't close even with the crow hop. Different conditions of course but really illustrates how lucky we are.

C*****f's wide left was a blessing in disguise.

 

[Deebo813]

Muhammad Ali is better a better boxer and more influential in the sport of boxing than Floyd. Federer has had 103 titles which far exceeds Serena. She dominates the woman’s game, but doesn’t make the list for me


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Floyd is 100% a better boxer. Now more influential, that goes to ali.. people are gonna hate on floyd forever only because of his personality but if you know anything about boxing you know floyd is the best. Serena not only dominated a womens game, she took over that shit. Gotta put her on the list man.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Sarcasm right?

Lol is this? Floyd shouldn’t even be in the debate man

 

[RavensMania]

Just as you say they pass more these days different era and all that, but back in Alan page days there were no quick release offenses, it was run, run, under center deep drop and bombs away on third down, no shotgun, no moving pockets, no complex blocking schemes, and the average offensive lineman was 50 lbs less than the average OL today. Back then, the great players absolutely dominated in a much weaker pool of talent, they stood out easier, today it’s a prerequisite to even make it in the nfl outside of qb/k/p to be a world class freak athlete, so much so that players who would outsize and outrun athletes in every league in the world flame out in the nfl every year.

Aaron Donald would average 20 sacks a year back then

and considering Baugh to be anywhere close to Brady further proves my point. No qb who played in those days could hold Brady’s drawers

different game, different time. Baugh basically started the forward pass. I didn't say he was better, just a different time.

Has Brady won the most, no question, and I'm glad he won away from Bill Belichick also. There is no correct answer, just very subjective. That being said there were a lot better offensive lines back in the 70s than there are now. There may not be as many quick releases but the OL's were better for the most part.

 

[RavensMania]

Federer better than Sampras, Lendl, Connors, Borg? unverifiable.
Williams better than Navratilova, Graff, unverifiable.
In the world of sports there are few unanimous, Ali, Jordan, but for each Ali there is a sugar robinson, for each Jordan there is a Chamberlain, and so with all sports, you have to enjoy more and compare less

Thank you

 

[Deebo813]

Lol is this? Floyd shouldn’t even be in the debate man

Mans dominated so bad he made everyone look like an amateur. Was so much more skillfull than everyone else that he made it look easy and regular non boxing fans dont even realize what he has done shouldnt even be possible. Only reason why people dont put him there is literally cause they hate him lol.. i dnt really debate people on the floyd thing no more because 90% of them didnt start watching till he became the most hated in the media and just followed the trends that was said about him

 

[redrum52]

Floyd was taking fights early. He realized that wasn't making money. The money persona started and his bank grew. I won't say he's the best, but appears to be one of the smartest(marketing and promoting).

 

[Argentina Raven]

Maywather was lucky (or unlucky) not to have as many quality opponents in his career, and the ones he had he fought late.
Technically the best but, it has that stigma. Would he have beaten Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Trinidad, Chavez?
It's like they say that Canelo Alvarez is better than Hopkins, Duran Hagler, Monzon, Leonard ...

 

[rmcjacket23]

you've got 2 golfers on your list - no reason not to have 2 of the most dominant athletes in tennis too - the 2 most decorated champions in the history of their sport - and just listing titles isnt that important... what matters is the majors:

serena's won 39 grand slams and 4 olympic golds...
she's the only person in the history of the sport male or female to do a career grand slam in both singles and doubles
she's only the 3rd player in history to hold all singles grand slam titles simultaneously on 2 separate occasions - something she also did separately in the doubles too

Federer had a period of unprecedented dominance between 2005-10 where he made every major final except 1 in that period
He's won 20 grand slams and an olympic gold - including winning wimbledon 5 years in a row
As you say he's won 103 titles which i think is 2nd most all-time

both of them go down as 2 of the individual greatest players of all-time and maybe the only 2 figures in the sport that transcended beyond their sport

A little nit-picky here, but it's a bit of a pet-peeve of mine...
Why do we consider Olympic gold medals great achievements in sports where they're already regularly playing in international competition against the best in the World?

There's sports where the Olympics is the crowning achievement of the sport, likely because it's either a) not that popular of a sport or b) the sport is too isolated geographically that it's one of the only times where people can actually judge themselves against international competition.

A tennis player playing in the Olympics, which many tennis players routinely skip because of its lack of significance in the sport, is already playing against people they've beaten or lost to numerous times in regular competition.

The Olympics for most of your major sports is basically just an amateur competition that's used to make lower-tier athletes in that sport feel better about themselves.

 

[rmcjacket23]

Maywather was lucky (or unlucky) not to have as many quality opponents in his career, and the ones he had he fought late.
Technically the best but, it has that stigma. Would he have beaten Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Trinidad, Chavez?
It's like they say that Canelo Alvarez is better than Hopkins, Duran Hagler, Monzon, Leonard ...

Also why doing evaluations or comparisons of players across eras just doesn't work out. It's purely conjecture.

 

[BoredMarine13]

Floyd is 100% a better boxer. Now more influential, that goes to ali.. people are gonna hate on floyd forever only because of his personality but if you know anything about boxing you know floyd is the best. Serena not only dominated a womens game, she took over that shit. Gotta put her on the list man.

Idk how to really judge Floyd vs Ali. Influence, record, TKOs, and shit talking? I gave Ali the edge based on influence and knock outs. Floyd is perhaps the smartest boxer because of his style. I think I’ve seen Floyd get significantly tagged maybe 4-5 times?

Shit talking ? That’s a draw , they both know how to talk a lot of shit and get their respective crowds going.


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[Argentina Raven]

Also why doing evaluations or comparisons of players across eras just doesn't work out. It's purely conjecture.

for that reason, how will you like different times? there is a great sportsman for every era, but very few Goats, who transcend time, generation and sport.
I, I can tell you Ali, Jordan and Maradona, in a non-globalized era, their names were known all over the world.
You name basketball and they call you Jordan, you name boxing and they call you Ali, you name soccer and they call you Maradona

 

[rmcjacket23]

for that reason, how will you like different times? there is a great sportsman for every era, but very few Goats, who transcend time, generation and sport.
I, I can tell you Ali, Jordan and Maradona, in a non-globalized era, their names were known all over the world.
You name basketball and they call you Jordan, you name boxing and they call you Ali, you name soccer and they call you Maradona

1. I generally spend no time comparing athletes across multiple eras. I also spend very little time thinking about athletes that I never really saw play. Ali isn't from my time. Doesn't mean he's not great, I just don't care enough about him to warrant discussing that much.
2. Marketing has as much to do with their popularity as it does their overall skills and dominance within the sport. There's a lot of transcendent players that are branded globally who aren't in the top of their sport, let alone the top of an era.

 

[rossihunter2]

Yeah we have no right to clown anyone yet

we nearly lost to the lions - the only winless team in the league... we cant take anyone lightly and we cant clown anyone

that being said the reason the lions are winless is because we won, and the reason the jets arent winless is because the titans and bengals cant say the same thing...

 

[Argentina Raven]

by the way, after watching bears vs steelers, i need some player to injure the conceited watt. He is a "dirty" player, who is forgiven for being blond and light-eyed

 

[rossihunter2]

A little nit-picky here, but it's a bit of a pet-peeve of mine...
Why do we consider Olympic gold medals great achievements in sports where they're already regularly playing in international competition against the best in the World?

There's sports where the Olympics is the crowning achievement of the sport, likely because it's either a) not that popular of a sport or b) the sport is too isolated geographically that it's one of the only times where people can actually judge themselves against international competition.

A tennis player playing in the Olympics, which many tennis players routinely skip because of its lack of significance in the sport, is already playing against people they've beaten or lost to numerous times in regular competition.

The Olympics for most of your major sports is basically just an amateur competition that's used to make lower-tier athletes in that sport feel better about themselves.

i only mentioned it because in tennis it's sometimes treated like the closest thing to a 5th grand slam because it's a special event that only happens once every 4 years rather than every year like the other major competitions

 

[rossihunter2]

for that reason, how will you like different times? there is a great sportsman for every era, but very few Goats, who transcend time, generation and sport.
I, I can tell you Ali, Jordan and Maradona, in a non-globalized era, their names were known all over the world.
You name basketball and they call you Jordan, you name boxing and they call you Ali, you name soccer and they call you Maradona

idk about the football one lol - maradona recognised as one of the greats but i dont know that he's the first name anyone's thinking of across eras

not even the first argentinian player anyone thinks of lol...

 

[rossihunter2]

by the way, after watching bears vs steelers, i need some player to injure the conceited watt. He is a "dirty" player, who is forgiven for being blond and light-eyed

what did he do in the bears game?