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QuothTheRaven said:
It's also kind of a pointless conversation now lol
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That’s why is so much fun. Plus I haven’t don’t any work for the past hour and now I’m googling the rules of cricket lol


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JoeyFlex5 said:
He had a style that didn’t age well plain and simple, at one time he was a very patient runner who stayed clean in the backfield until the ideal lane opened and he burst through it, these days he just doesn’t have the quickness to stay deep in the backfield and survey without getting harassed, and doesn’t have the burst to pull it off even if he does find the lane.

what we saw from him against the Vikings was adapting, he changed his style, he attacked and hugged the line of scrimmage which nullified a lot of those weaknesses, if he can keep that up I believe he could be an excellent short yardage back and late game grinder, he has a knack for finding that crease for a 2-5 yard gain when it’s really needed, but I don’t ever see him being anything close to a 20 touch per game kinda guy.
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Definitely noticed and agree with this. I guess I'm more asking about why that burst just disappeared? @rmcjacket23 has a reply to me saying exactly the fact that he was high volume for a rookie contract and was effectively unspectacular after that. You can't really disagree, look at the YPC data he put in there. The question I'm interested in though, is why does that position fall off a cliff so badly. They take more hits for sure, but where does all the speed go?
 
UPennChem said:
Definitely noticed and agree with this. I guess I'm more asking about why that burst just disappeared? @rmcjacket23 has a reply to me saying exactly the fact that he was high volume for a rookie contract and was effectively unspectacular after that. You can't really disagree, look at the YPC data he put in there. The question I'm interested in though, is why does that position fall off a cliff so badly. They take more hits for sure, but where does all the speed go?
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Well a lot of these guys bodies never really fully recover from the rigger of an NFL season, which is why they have dozens of surgeries post-career. Legs get beat up, bodies break down.

Why are regular human beings not as fast at 35 as they were when they were probably 25-30? Just general body structure and aging is the main reason.
 
UPennChem said:
Definitely noticed and agree with this. I guess I'm more asking about why that burst just disappeared? @rmcjacket23 has a reply to me saying exactly the fact that he was high volume for a rookie contract and was effectively unspectacular after that. You can't really disagree, look at the YPC data he put in there. The question I'm interested in though, is why does that position fall off a cliff so badly. They take more hits for sure, but where does all the speed go?
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They just don’t age well as a position really. Body hits a wall and you just don’t have the juice you used to, and for rbs, the difference between modest gains and breaking big plays, is milliseconds. It’s like you need “this” amount of unquantifiable burst to be quick enough through the hole to turn a good tackle into an arm tackle, and once a rbs burst goes below that breakpoint then they just get met at the hole frequently, they fall off a cliff immediately.

wrs and such can still do shit to gain separation, but as a rb you can’t separate from a whole front seven lol.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Well a lot of these guys bodies never really fully recover from the rigger of an NFL season, which is why they have dozens of surgeries post-career. Legs get beat up, bodies break down.

Why are regular human beings not as fast at 35 as they were when they were probably 25-30? Just general body structure and aging is the main reason.
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Totally get that, was more wondering why this is an exacerbated problem for RBs over other positions. @JoeyFlex5 seems to think it's because the ability to be very good and very bad at the position has razor thin margins. Once you decline even slightly, it's more of an all or nothing situation
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
They just don’t age well as a position really. Body hits a wall and you just don’t have the juice you used to, and for rbs, the difference between modest gains and breaking big plays, is milliseconds. It’s like you need “this” amount of unquantifiable burst to be quick enough through the hole to turn a good tackle into an arm tackle, and once a rbs burst goes below that breakpoint then they just get met at the hole frequently, they fall off a cliff immediately.

wrs and such can still do shit to gain separation, but as a rb you can’t separate from a whole front seven lol.
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That reminds me of Michael Bush at the 2015 veteran combine, he ran a 4.91 second 40. Running backs typically lose their burst years before they turn 30.
 
UPennChem said:
Totally get that, was more wondering why this is an exacerbated problem for RBs over other positions. @JoeyFlex5 seems to think it's because the ability to be very good and very bad at the position has razor thin margins. Once you decline even slightly, it's more of an all or nothing situation
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Not necessarily that it’s razor thin, the margin of explosiveness between cj2k and Gus bus isn’t thin at all yet they were both highly effective, it’s just that there’s a sort of breakpoint, once the defense can close the hole faster than you can get through it cleanly, you’re below that threshold
 
UPennChem said:
Totally get that, was more wondering why this is an exacerbated problem for RBs over other positions. @JoeyFlex5 seems to think it's because the ability to be very good and very bad at the position has razor thin margins. Once you decline even slightly, it's more of an all or nothing situation
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I mean... what other positions take as much physical punishment as they do? Maybe the Oline/Dline, but those guys also struggle with injuries and durability throughout their career as well, and they're obviously not predicated on speed, allusiveness, etc. like RBs are. Still take the brunt of physical punishment, but not the same in terms of skill sets.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Not necessarily that it’s razor thin, the margin of explosiveness between cj2k and Gus bus isn’t thin at all yet they were both highly effective, it’s just that there’s a sort of breakpoint, once the defense can close the hole faster than you can get through it cleanly, you’re below that threshold
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I see what you mean!
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean... what other positions take as much physical punishment as they do? Maybe the Oline/Dline, but those guys also struggle with injuries and durability throughout their career as well, and they're obviously not predicated on speed, allusiveness, etc. like RBs are. Still take the brunt of physical punishment, but not the same in terms of skill sets.
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Agreed. I bet no one takes more damage than OL, but they don't need straight line speed. Also I think there are stats that show on average OL has the shortest avg career length in the NFL but don't quote me
 
rmcjacket23 said:
I mean... what other positions take as much physical punishment as they do? Maybe the Oline/Dline, but those guys also struggle with injuries and durability throughout their career as well, and they're obviously not predicated on speed, allusiveness, etc. like RBs are. Still take the brunt of physical punishment, but not the same in terms of skill sets.
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Yeah it's because they're relying on explosive physical traits, flexibility and agility that puts strain on joints and ligaments in a way that doesn't happen so much with the raw brute strength that the OL use. They just need the parts of the body that fall to aging faster than any others.

I read somewhere that the age people typically hit their physical peak is 28 (but I don't remember where), so for backs with extra attrition above the norm, it makes sense that that's when they fall off I guess. Just a brutal, physical position to play.
 
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