JoeyFlex5
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redrum52
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This shit had me on the floor
Dom McRaven
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I feel like every team has a powerup that lowers the speed of our blitzers when we run a Cover 0. Wink needs to blitz every snap. Doesn't have to be an Engage Eight (he's a pussy if he don't) but anything blitz related.
ndub
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"This is the way"
why the hell would we cut Zeitler, who has been a good player for us. Also regarding AV, I said we would have 3.25 dead cap dead cap by cutting AV in my initial reply to you. This design of this contract just shows it was designed to be a one year contract, but to save a bit of cap by stretching out the guaranteed money over a two year period.
Not sure why you feel Zeitler was a waste of money. Zeitler has been our best pass blocker. If we didn't have him Lamar would most likely be on the ground a lot more than he already is. He's also not bad as a run blocker as well. Zeitler's contract runs through the 2023 season.
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redrum52
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Dont we save 6 mil cutting AV next year?
@Dom McRaven sick of us sending our best cover corners on blitzes and dropping our best rushers into fucking coverage to still get not a goddam ounce of fucking pressure. All this while seeing pass rushers most assumed weren't great go on to have incredible fucking success.
@Dom McRaven sick of us sending our best cover corners on blitzes and dropping our best rushers into fucking coverage to still get not a goddam ounce of fucking pressure. All this while seeing pass rushers most assumed weren't great go on to have incredible fucking success.
yes, we save 6m by cutting. him next year, while leaving 3.25m in dead cap.
ndub
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We use our guys out of position/out of their best roles so much. And have for a while. We always like trying to cram a square into a circle until a player's last year with the team, and then we don't pay up for said player and the player goes on to have tons of success outside the organization. Judon and Smith are but two of those examples. Even McPhee completely balled before his injuries.
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JoeyFlex5
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Roman > wink and you can’t convince me otherwise. Straight up. It’s not even close imo. Roman adjusts, wink doesn’t.
ndub
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Majorly disagree. Like I don't think I can disagree with this one more. Both are disappointing for sure, but Roman is the one who lets us down in the playoffs consistently, over and over again. Can't develop Lamar. Can't design a good passing scheme. Can't get rid of his boneheaded plays/strategies. Is very hard headed to the point of frustrating failures. Doesn't adjust (I don't even know how you think he does to be honest)
Argentina Raven
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it's simple, have you seen the ol 'giants? They left him free, they did not want to renew him.
Have you seen the contract AV had with the Steelers, and his substitute? they set him free.
watching them play you can understand why.
The best thing Zeitler does is touch Bozeman's leg to get the ball out on time.
dalessandris is following the example of the Castillo, a lot of name but the ol getting worse and worse.
it's time they hire a serious OL specialist, because we're getting worse and worse.
Have you seen the contract AV had with the Steelers, and his substitute? they set him free.
watching them play you can understand why.
The best thing Zeitler does is touch Bozeman's leg to get the ball out on time.
dalessandris is following the example of the Castillo, a lot of name but the ol getting worse and worse.
it's time they hire a serious OL specialist, because we're getting worse and worse.
I think that D'Alessandris has been pretty solid with what he's been given. I think the OL struggles are more on the personnel side. Can't remember the last season we haven't had backup guards filling in at tackle, backup centers filling in at guard/tackle. The street FA tackles that come and go. The team consistently goes into the season without a true swing tackle and then pays the price for it.
JoeyFlex5
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If you don’t think he adjusts, then have you paid attention this season? We went to a pass first offense and it worked it’s ass off until mekari went down and Lamar regressed, the schemes not perfect but he had absolutely adjusted and it’s paid dividends. It’s not his job to develop Lamar, it’s his job to build a playbook and he’s built one with limited tools to execute its
both coordinators were dealt a similar hand and only one of them changed the fundamentals of their playbook. Wink continued to throw the blitz despite getting torched time and time again, yeah the players weren’t executing it, but maybe it’s because you simply haven’t adjusted to the loss of talent. Roman did adjust, and then Lamar regressed, that’s on the OL and Lamar, not Roman, the defense collapsing on late possessions for big explosive plays is largely on wink and his stubbornness with pressure all 4 quarters with players who have proven time and time again they aren’t capable, pass rushers leaving here and having pro bowl seasons, pro bowl pass rushers coming here and doing jack shit, time and time again, is on wink.
the giant let Zeitler go because they couldn't afford to pay him. He was the best player on their line and yes, it was a bad line, so that's not saying much. I've watched Zeitler a lot this year and he has been much more than solid and his pass blocking has been above average. We are going to have to agree to disagree with this one.
BTW, the only reason our OL coach has been bad is due to all the injuries we have had on the line. No team would have done well with this many injuries along the offensive line. I'm also crediting him with Mekari, who has been pretty darn good considering he wasn't even a starter nor was he ever drafted.
ndub
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I'd agree actually here, I mean there was a reason Wink had the worst defense in the NFL when he was DC of the Broncos. Given a similar hand with all the injuries, he looks like that coordinator out there. So you may actually be right. I'm just fed up with Roman is all.
I will speak to what I said before on the record... we will never win a Super Bowl with Roman as the OC.
JoeyFlex5
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This is a bit off base, the ravens have invested ONE big investment in the OL with Stanley, and it took a 5-11 season to get him. Aside from that, they’ve invested three third round picks, one who demanded a trade, one who is a rookie, and one who is playing out of position as a necessity, and they’ve invested a fourth and a sixth, with one mid tier free agent signing and the only one making real money being on IR for his second straight year, and a HOF RG retiring.
the ravens have invested very poorly in the OL and Joe D has done well with what he’s been given. We’re lucky to have him because he actually made a player out of skura before the injury, he’s made a replacement level player out of powers who didn’t look like an NFL caliber guy to me as a rookie, he developed Jensen, hurst, Bozeman, OBJ, and of course stanley.
the ravens need to take the OL more seriously on draft day, the same way we took receivers in round 1 2/3 years, we gotta do the same. It can’t be an afterthought.
Argentina Raven
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Resources are sometimes used as an investment, sometimes as an expense.
Lately, the way I see it, we spend unnecessarily.
If the line does not give time to launch or does not open a clear lane for the rb, it is bad, whether they are injured or not.
Without Lamar, would you really see how bad the Ravens' line has been for years, or don't you remember when we ran a measly 5 yards a few years ago?
the last offensive line that played well was when kubiack was OC.
That was a well-trained offensive line.
then you just rejoined until Lamar and Roman's system worked magic.
now that magic is combated, and there players fail, there readings fail and, on top of that, injuries
Lately, the way I see it, we spend unnecessarily.
If the line does not give time to launch or does not open a clear lane for the rb, it is bad, whether they are injured or not.
Without Lamar, would you really see how bad the Ravens' line has been for years, or don't you remember when we ran a measly 5 yards a few years ago?
the last offensive line that played well was when kubiack was OC.
That was a well-trained offensive line.
then you just rejoined until Lamar and Roman's system worked magic.
now that magic is combated, and there players fail, there readings fail and, on top of that, injuries
BoredMarine13
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Maybe there’s a reason Wink was getting minimal attention as a HC. Idk, pure speculation on my part. I gotta agree with JoeyFlex his ability to develop players has not been great , but Id still give him another shot. The defense lacks any really talent outside of Marlon. No body came into week one thinking “ yea this defense is going to be real good”.
As far as Roman, I’m over it , his scheme is stale. Time to roll the dice and move on in the off-season.
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Gotta invest in the trenches this year, whether that's FA or the draft. OL and DL should be the top priorities, with some eye toward a playmaking S if one exists. Need to address all 3 levels on D as well, although some are more depth concerns than anything. But OL should be a top priority and it'll be really tough to give a pass if they skip up on some guys like they have the past 2 years in favor of mid round depth shots.
right now for me the 4 most important positions for us to draft in no particular order:
OT
DT
CB
S
positions that we both need an influx of talent and also youth - cant just fix it in free agency with older vets - CB doesnt necessarily have to be a high pick depending on what direction we go this offseason with peters, averett, tavon etc. but we definitely need to keep adding talent to that room with some guys getting older and fewer guys on rookie deals - it certainly helps that we'll be able to retain Westry as a RFA
obviously if there's a high value EDGE available that's a perfectly acceptable high pick too
we've got 9 picks in the first 4 rounds - i'd be surprised if we don't double dip on the OL and DL and secondary in those rounds