allblackraven
Hall of Famer
How is / was Joe obvious choice when this was the 4th season running he was NOT winning games? If it was so obvious, he would have been back in a lineup once he got healthy.
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Because Lamar looked beyond awful. The Chargers had clearly figured out the gimmick offense the Ravens had run and there was not really anything Lamar could do and he looked like a WR trying to play QB that game.
How do I know Joe could do better? Because no one this decade played worse in playoffs. I believe Joe could complete 1 pass and instantly that is exponentially better.
The gimmick was solved but the Ravens are betting on future and were willing to give up a lomg shot at a SB to achieve it.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
It was the awful O line play and play calling. You know - stuff often used to excuse Joe.
people ignore the fact that jackson also rallied back to get us in a position to win with the ball and some time left until the line collapsed again and he got strip sacked and that even during the comeback attempt he was running for his life behind that OL
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Yep and it starting happening when they took play calling off fucking Marty and let him play as he sees it. It wasn't ideal, there was luck involved but hey, if you don't try.....
I'm going to assume you accept that excuse for Flacco given that you are using it for Lamar.
Also the reason the offense was so simplistic and easy to solve was because of Lamar not in spite of him. I'm not bashing him for it. He is slightly below average with learning an offense otherwise the playbook would've opened up.
The playbook at the end was basically "run around in the backfield about 2 seconds too long, hope defense breaks down, and throw it deep" and thanks to that got them garbage time score one. The defense carried the day got the ball back and a sick run after catch got number 2 (nice throw though on both those but it doesn't excuse 3 quarters of play that helped me understand what Jacksonville has dealt with for 5 years).
At the end of the day, the OLine sucked. Marty for all his faults also knew that which is why relying on them to be useful would end the exact same way it did in KC.
I think Lamar will be very good, but right now he (very) generously might be in mid to late 30s as far as ranking pure passing among QBs. Benefit of being a young rookie though is that he can fix his technique if he works at it.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Of course, I'm accepting it and I'm not absolving Jackson off his share of crap we've seen vs Chargers.
I'm just pissed at the amount of vile reaction at the rookie and calls for Joe to replace him, like he was going to win as if by magic, even though he didn't do pretty much anything for 3 and a half years prior to that game.
Absolutely ridiculous that some members are throwing Jackson to the wolves in his rookie year, a year where he didn't even prepare with the #1st to play and was thrown into the fire. Not only that, he was the reason the running game was doing well and the main reason the defense stayed fresh so they could be the #1 defense in the league.
Get a rest everyone and lets support our QB AND GIVE HIM A CHANCE.
Get a rest everyone and lets support our QB AND GIVE HIM A CHANCE.
Tank
Hall of Famer
“Throwing Jackson to the wolves......”. I think I missed those posts. Do you have a link?
Militant X 1
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There is nothing "gimmicky" about the read option. Nothing! It's a bonafide and legitimate offensive system. One that our opponents (including the Chargers in our first meeting with them) couldn't figure out to save their lives. It caught all of our opponents off guard for a few weeks. Just call it what it was the Chargers defensive personnel came up with a wonderful scheme to swap out their big and slower LB's for smaller and faster Safeties. Awesome move! But to call the read option a "gimmick" just because Lamar played like trash and a rookie (Something that Joe has repeatedly done for nearly 11 seasons now) is off the rails IMO.
The read option and power scheme and traps we were running are normal plays around the league. Not to take anything away from the Chargers, but we beat ourselves in that game. All the fumbles and horrid play calling from Marty is what lost that game. Did Lamar play bad, no question, but the offensive line had an absolutely horrid game that day and Lamar still got us within a score of winning it.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
The read option and rpos weren't the problem. Other teams use them all the time without an issue.
It was the damn oline and Brett Kollman said it perfectly. Yes, Lamar had his fumbles, but the damn system we were doing with the line was a fucking gimmick because we had to scheme around absolute fucking trash in Skura and Hurst. We were not beating teams off the ball in the trenches, and that was the main issue. Because of this, teams were really easily able to prepare for us.
Two things really need to happen for us next year to make the playoffs.
1. Lamar needs to develop
2. FIX THE DAMN LINE AND GET US A REAL C OR LG.
It was the damn oline and Brett Kollman said it perfectly. Yes, Lamar had his fumbles, but the damn system we were doing with the line was a fucking gimmick because we had to scheme around absolute fucking trash in Skura and Hurst. We were not beating teams off the ball in the trenches, and that was the main issue. Because of this, teams were really easily able to prepare for us.
Two things really need to happen for us next year to make the playoffs.
1. Lamar needs to develop
2. FIX THE DAMN LINE AND GET US A REAL C OR LG.
we weren't even running many rpos the last month of the season. Couldn't have been that easy to prepare for us last season. We did finish the season with 6 wins.
i think down the stretch we were only using between 3-5 option plays (zone-read or RPO) a game
that's about right.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Except for the chargers every defense we played was a joke.
cdp
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The Browns did figure it out too in the 2nd half of the game. Bottom line: DeCosta has to cut Skura and Hurst
Dom McRaven
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OriolesMagicPlease
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This is what I truly don't understand. I don't put that playoff loss on Lamar at all. That has nothing to do with the fact that they dressed Joe for no reason. Nothing was working in the first half at all. It was absolutely horrible. And of course Joe could have sucked, but you just don't know. Dressing Joe was a jerk move. I support Lamar as much as anyone and I felt sorry for him.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
For about $20mil (arguably not earned) just fucking suit up and shut up. Leave the sentiment out the door.