Joe Flacco

[TheCity5]

I don’t see joe as giving us the best chance to win with the way he’s played, and if he does give us the “best” chance to win, I highly doubt it is enough to make the playoffs.

And yes I would be upset if we missed the postseason with joe, if we started lamar and missed I wouldn’t be nearly as upset. I’d be upset if lamar gave us nothing to look forward to and looked terrible, but not upset about missing. Once lamar starts it’s all abou the future and I don’t see the present team as a team that will make the playoffs.

With the way the colts have been playing I’m beginning to think the 6 seed might come from the south, with the colts, Texans, and titans you just don’t know who’s gonna win the division and who’s gonna be in the running for the 6, but it’s gonna be a logjam, and I think the titans are likely gonna be one game shorter than everyone else and the tiebreaker won’t even apply.

So you're telling me, the last time we saw Lamar which was in the Pre-season where he had his struggles against 3rd stringers, the same unit that Joe tore up, that he's going to just start and give us a better chance to win games then Joe?

As far as the Colts, Texans and Titans go, we have an advantage in the sense that these teams all play in the same division. Maybe we lose our spot, but I'm not gonna call it quits till a bit later on in the season.

Back to the point, Joe hasn't looked good lately, but we all know he's a lot better at home, his struggles have come mostly on the road but at home outside of the game against the Steelers, he's played good Football. Against a 32 ranked defense that can't stop on the road at home I can say I feel good about our chances.

 

[TheCity5]

To anyone who thinks that Lamar is going to come in and lead this team to a 11-5 record and the post-season, then I think you're in for a rude awakening. I like Lamar a lot(I feel like I have to say this to not seem biased against him) but please stop kidding yourself here, he's a rookie and still learning how to adjust to the NFL. I mean let's be real here, we saw in the pre-season that he still has plenty to learn, I don't know why people forget about that.

 

[Grim]

So you're telling me, the last time we saw Lamar which was in the Pre-season where he had his struggles against 3rd stringers, the same unit that Joe tore up, that he's going to just start and give us a better chance to win games then Joe?

As far as the Colts, Texans and Titans go, we have an advantage in the sense that these teams all play in the same division. Maybe we lose our spot, but I'm not gonna call it quits till a bit later on in the season.

Back to the point, Joe hasn't looked good lately, but we all know he's a lot better at home, his struggles have come mostly on the road but at home outside of the game against the Steelers, he's played good Football. Against a 32 ranked defense that can't stop on the road at home I can say I feel good about our chances.

It’ll be hard if not improbable but I guess not impossible for the Texans to not win the AFC South. So it’s really between the Jaguars, Colts and Titans. The worst part is those teams have a sort of cupcake remainder to their schedules. It makes it tough for us.

 

[TheCity5]

It’ll be hard if not improbable but I guess not impossible for the Texans to not win the AFC South. So it’s really between the Jaguars, Colts and Titans. The worst part is those teams have a sort of cupcake remainder to their schedules. It makes it tough for us.

I don't see the Texans losing it but it's between us Jacksonville, Colts, and Titans. I think the Jags are pretty much done but Colts are a team that disappoints easily and we own the tie-breaker against Tennessee. I'm kind of stunned at how well the Titans have played but hey, we beat them so that works for us and the Titans-Colts play next week so that's a win-win for us. I prefer Titans to win because Luck is playing really good Football rn behind a pretty good OL.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

So you're telling me, the last time we saw Lamar which was in the Pre-season where he had his struggles against 3rd stringers, the same unit that Joe tore up, that he's going to just start and give us a better chance to win games then Joe?

As far as the Colts, Texans and Titans go, we have an advantage in the sense that these teams all play in the same division. Maybe we lose our spot, but I'm not gonna call it quits till a bit later on in the season.

Back to the point, Joe hasn't looked good lately, but we all know he's a lot better at home, his struggles have come mostly on the road but at home outside of the game against the Steelers, he's played good Football. Against a 32 ranked defense that can't stop on the road at home I can say I feel good about our chances.

He’s had 2 whole months to progress from his STARTING POINT as a pro. Do you understand the difference there? In the preseason, lamar had just wrapped up the ridiculous draft process which is the heaviest workload any nfl player experiences, he began studying nfl playbooks, began working on new mechanics and motions he’s never used before, began learning the verbiage, began learning how to be a self managed adult in their career, media frenzy, worked on gadget packages on top of qb practice, and stayed late daily to make up for lost qb reps due to gadget plays.

That is what lamar dealt with by the end of the preseason. You can’t compare what joe does preseason week 4 to lamar because it’s 2 different worlds, joe didn’t even have to lift a goddamn finger until camp came, lamar was relearning everything he thought he knew about football. It’s been over 2 months And the progression he’s made due to that work was evident the last time he saw some action. Players progress over time, some regress, I mean shit joe went from world beater HOF QB to garbage tier in a matter of one month.

It does not matter what you saw from lamar in the preseason, he has been progressing and you’re discounting that entirely, if you think he’s the same exact player you are sadly mistaken, just like joe isn’t the same exact player, y’know since joes regressed to a point that he is crushing our chances to win with consistently boneheaded play on par with a jittery rookie.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

To anyone who thinks that Lamar is going to come in and lead this team to a 11-5 record and the post-season, then I think you're in for a rude awakening. I like Lamar a lot(I feel like I have to say this to not seem biased against him) but please stop kidding yourself here, he's a rookie and still learning how to adjust to the NFL. I mean let's be real here, we saw in the pre-season that he still has plenty to learn, I don't know why people forget about that.

Who the fuck is even MENTIONING lamar taking us to 11-5? We’re all saying the same thing: this season is a bust, we have a 0% chance of winning out with an injured Flacco, we have maybe a 1% chance of finishing 10-6, and there is absolutely nothing to gain from holding onto the Flacco era by a thread.

 

[TheCity5]

He’s had 2 whole months to progress from his STARTING POINT as a pro. Do you understand the difference there? In the preseason, lamar had just wrapped up the ridiculous draft process which is the heaviest workload any nfl player experiences, he began studying nfl playbooks, began working on new mechanics and motions he’s never used before, began learning the verbiage, began learning how to be a self managed adult in their career, media frenzy, worked on gadget packages on top of qb practice, and stayed late daily to make up for lost qb reps due to gadget plays.

That is what lamar dealt with by the end of the preseason. You can’t compare what joe does preseason week 4 to lamar because it’s 2 different worlds, joe didn’t even have to lift a goddamn finger until camp came, lamar was relearning everything he thought he knew about football. It’s been over 2 months And the progression he’s made due to that work was evident the last time he saw some action. Players progress over time, some regress, I mean shit joe went from world beater HOF QB to garbage tier in a matter of one month.

It does not matter what you saw from lamar in the preseason, he has been progressing and you’re discounting that entirely, if you think he’s the same exact player you are sadly mistaken, just like joe isn’t the same exact player, y’know since joes regressed to a point that he is crushing our chances to win with consistently boneheaded play on par with a jittery rookie.

Lamar is progressing? How? I mean what type of leaps is he making? I think his mechanics in the limited time we've seen him look better then earlier but what has he shown? Are you talking about that one drive against the Panthers when you're down by nearly 30 at the end of the game? I don't think you should grab a handful of salt just because of that one drive. Outside of that I honestly haven't seen much from Lamar. It's not because of his play but because of his lack of opportunities.

Also, I'm not speaking in terms of his I.Q or how the game has slowed down, I'm talking in terms of his accuracy, mechanics and his decision making, this is an extension of his progress. But the learning curve for a rookie doesn't start and end in the preseason. I understand what he's gone through but he's a rookie and all that means is that there is no need to rush him. There's a reason why RGIII is on the active roster even after the trade deadline when he had plenty of interest on the open market.

Let's realize something about mechanics, a player's mechanics can easily deteriorate over the course of a game and even a season. When a guy get's hit consistently and feels the physicality of a game, their mechanics can drop off significantly. The great players of the game maintain their mechanics no matter what the circumstances is, they're almost naturals at it and I just feel like this is the case with Joe where he's just flat out inconsistent in that area. I have to wait and see Lamar play a full game before I say that he's polished his skills there, I personally don't want people to panic on Lamar and say that he's not going to amount of much because you know this fan base.

For me, thing the is, the same things that Joe is struggling with, I wouldn't be suprised to see Lamar to struggle with as well. Whether it's missed reads, inconsistent mechanics, decision making, or turnovers. It wouldn't shock me if it hit him and it's not purely on him, sometimes its what comes with adjusting to the game and also the weaknesses that could be in his game. We don't know but let's not act like he's going to come in and light the field on fire just because I don't want people to react strongly about it.

 

[TheCity5]

Who the fuck is even MENTIONING lamar taking us to 11-5? We’re all saying the same thing: this season is a bust, we have a 0% chance of winning out with an injured Flacco, we have maybe a 1% chance of finishing 10-6, and there is absolutely nothing to gain from holding onto the Flacco era by a thread.

Calm down, I'm talking in terms of the fan base as a whole not this board. People tend to always ride the hype train of the back up QB like it's going to change our scenario when the fact is this team isn't all that much better with Lamar. If you want to see us tank the season then fine, but don't expect the team to look towards taking that route.

I've stated many times Joe's time here is ticking and he's playing his way out of Baltimore. If you want proof of that go check my previous posts.

 

[allblackraven]

Lamar is progressing? How? I mean what type of leaps is he making? I think his mechanics in the limited time we've seen him look better then earlier but what has he shown? Are you talking about that one drive against the Panthers when you're down by nearly 30 at the end of the game? I don't think you should grab a handful of salt just because of that one drive. Outside of that I honestly haven't seen much from Lamar. It's not because of his play but because of his lack of opportunities.

Also, I'm not speaking in terms of his I.Q or how the game has slowed down, I'm talking in terms of his accuracy, mechanics and his decision making, this is an extension of his progress. But the learning curve for a rookie doesn't start and end in the preseason. I understand what he's gone through but he's a rookie and all that means is that there is no need to rush him. There's a reason why RGIII is on the active roster even after the trade deadline when he had plenty of interest on the open market.

Let's realize something about mechanics, a player's mechanics can easily deteriorate over the course of a game and even a season. When a guy get's hit consistently and feels the physicality of a game, their mechanics can drop off significantly. The great players of the game maintain their mechanics no matter what the circumstances is, they're almost naturals at it and I just feel like this is the case with Joe where he's just flat out inconsistent in that area. I have to wait and see Lamar play a full game before I say that he's polished his skills there, I personally don't want people to panic on Lamar and say that he's not going to amount of much because you know this fan base.

For me, thing the is, the same things that Joe is struggling with, I wouldn't be suprised to see Lamar to struggle with as well. Whether it's missed reads, inconsistent mechanics, decision making, or turnovers. It wouldn't shock me if it hit him and it's not purely on him, sometimes its what comes with adjusting to the game and also the weaknesses that could be in his game. We don't know but let's not act like he's going to come in and light the field on fire just because I don't want people to react strongly about it.

What exactly could have Lamar shown when he's in only on run plays / wild cat?
We don't know either way. What we know is the fact that Flacco sucks and that he is injured on top of that. How in the hell is he giving us better chance of winning any games?????

 

[Grim]

I don't see the Texans losing it but it's between us Jacksonville, Colts, and Titans. I think the Jags are pretty much done but Colts are a team that disappoints easily and we own the tie-breaker against Tennessee. I'm kind of stunned at how well the Titans have played but hey, we beat them so that works for us and the Titans-Colts play next week so that's a win-win for us. I prefer Titans to win because Luck is playing really good Football rn behind a pretty good OL.

That’s assuming the Titans and us have the same record. I did the projections and I project TEN finishing 10-6. That means they get in the playoffs because I had us finish 9-7 but yes if we can beat one of LAC or KC and beat ATL we can make the playoffs as long as we beat all the others of course. We have a tall order but it’s not impossible.

He’s had 2 whole months to progress from his STARTING POINT as a pro. Do you understand the difference there? In the preseason, lamar had just wrapped up the ridiculous draft process which is the heaviest workload any nfl player experiences, he began studying nfl playbooks, began working on new mechanics and motions he’s never used before, began learning the verbiage, began learning how to be a self managed adult in their career, media frenzy, worked on gadget packages on top of qb practice, and stayed late daily to make up for lost qb reps due to gadget plays.

That is what lamar dealt with by the end of the preseason. You can’t compare what joe does preseason week 4 to lamar because it’s 2 different worlds, joe didn’t even have to lift a goddamn finger until camp came, lamar was relearning everything he thought he knew about football. It’s been over 2 months And the progression he’s made due to that work was evident the last time he saw some action. Players progress over time, some regress, I mean shit joe went from world beater HOF QB to garbage tier in a matter of one month.

It does not matter what you saw from lamar in the preseason, he has been progressing and you’re discounting that entirely, if you think he’s the same exact player you are sadly mistaken, just like joe isn’t the same exact player, y’know since joes regressed to a point that he is crushing our chances to win with consistently boneheaded play on par with a jittery rookie.

I mean to be fair, Lamar had a long way to go according to everyone to be an NFL QB. Now people are suggesting he’s ready. I honestly don’t know either way but you can definitely see his footwork has improved a lot and I guess now he has a better feel for his balls lol. I’m a bit mixed here but I agree with most people that a truly injured Joe Flacco is as good as No Flacco. Flacco plays very bad when he’s not healthy. Obviously this is a different situation and team but we lost with Flacco at QB with an injured quadriceps I believe against NE? I believe it was in 2010. That result wasn’t good so I don’t know who gives us the best chance to win this game or what is going on at QB because these could easily be games to game the injury report.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

That’s assuming the Titans and us have the same record. I did the projections and I project TEN finishing 10-6. That means they get in the playoffs because I had us finish 9-7 but yes if we can beat one of LAC or KC and beat ATL we can make the playoffs as long as we beat all the others of course. We have a tall order but it’s not impossible.


I mean to be fair, Lamar had a long way to go according to everyone to be an NFL QB. Now people are suggesting he’s ready. I honestly don’t know either way but you can definitely see his footwork has improved a lot and I guess now he has a better feel for his balls lol. I’m a bit mixed here but I agree with most people that a truly injured Joe Flacco is as good as No Flacco. Flacco plays very bad when he’s not healthy. Obviously this is a different situation and team but we lost with Flacco at QB with an injured quadriceps I believe against NE? I believe it was in 2010. That result wasn’t good so I don’t know who gives us the best chance to win this game or what is going on at QB because these could easily be games to game the injury report.

It was an injured hip and we beat the patriots in the WC and lost to the colts in the DIV. and Flacco’s stats were absolutely abysmal in that stretch, we beat the patriots on the back of Ray Rice’s TD on the first play and a multi turnover day by our defense. 4/10 for 34 yards 0td 1int for joe that day.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Calm down, I'm talking in terms of the fan base as a whole not this board. People tend to always ride the hype train of the back up QB like it's going to change our scenario when the fact is this team isn't all that much better with Lamar. If you want to see us tank the season then fine, but don't expect the team to look towards taking that route.

I've stated many times Joe's time here is ticking and he's playing his way out of Baltimore. If you want proof of that go check my previous posts.

I don’t see how taking a look at lamar is tanking. He’s our first round qb, a project yeah, but a first round qb who still has a whole lot to offer, and our other option, is a qb who we’ve seen play the past few years and there is no reason to believe he’s going to win us games especially now that he’s injured.

I get what you’re saying, it’s too early to “tank”, but do you understand precisely how slim the odds are that joe turns into his 2014 self for the rest of the season? Joe has regressed back into his normal self after a good start, and we’ve seen this movie a million times, he’s not gonna get us in the playoffs, his game is off and now he’s injured along with the LG and our center is a turnstile, it’s a recipe for disaster with joe.

 

[Grim]

It was an injured hip and we beat the patriots in the WC and lost to the colts in the DIV. and Flacco’s stats were absolutely abysmal in that stretch, we beat the patriots on the back of Ray Rice’s TD on the first play and a multi turnover day by our defense. 4/10 for 34 yards 0td 1int for joe that day.

Yeah that’s what I meant. I thought it was a hip and doubted myself and went quad. Oh well. But yeah the point still stands that Joe wasn’t healthy on the same injury and it affected him but we won because of Rice

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Lamar is progressing? How? I mean what type of leaps is he making? I think his mechanics in the limited time we've seen him look better then earlier but what has he shown? Are you talking about that one drive against the Panthers when you're down by nearly 30 at the end of the game? I don't think you should grab a handful of salt just because of that one drive. Outside of that I honestly haven't seen much from Lamar. It's not because of his play but because of his lack of opportunities.

You can say that drive was because the Ravens were down, but his mechanics were still on point, he was accurate, scanning the field, and made some hella good throws, especially that perfect dart to Hurst for the touchdown.

I understand the Panthers coverage may have been more lax, but Lamar looked like an NFL quarterback during that drive.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

You can say that drive was because the Ravens were down, but his mechanics were still on point, he was accurate, scanning the field, and made some hella good throws, especially that perfect dart to Hurst for the touchdown.

I understand the Panthers coverage may have been more lax, but Lamar looked like an NFL quarterback during that drive.

Exactly. Look for traits, that’s all you can do to project, does he do nfl caliber things? He absolutely did. He could break down mechanically when pressure comes, but he could also render pressure teams send useless with his legs

 

[Adreme]

Exactly. Look for traits, that’s all you can do to project, does he do nfl caliber things? He absolutely did. He could break down mechanically when pressure comes, but he could also render pressure teams send useless with his legs

So I finally found time to really watch that link and all pf the throws he made were the basic throws that he always could make (the Hurst TD was boarderline but it was still middle of field strait line throw without a need for an accurate placement which he could hit in college.

My knock on him is that he throws ducks when throwing to a WR from the pocket. I'm not talking Rodgers deep ball just a basic 15 yard throw to Brown for instance I have yet to see something telling me he can hit that throw.

 

[rossihunter2]

Who the fuck is even MENTIONING lamar taking us to 11-5? We’re all saying the same thing: this season is a bust, we have a 0% chance of winning out with an injured Flacco, we have maybe a 1% chance of finishing 10-6, and there is absolutely nothing to gain from holding onto the Flacco era by a thread.

exactly - it's such a weird excuse because there's no way flacco is taking us to 11-5 even if he's healthy either...

 

[rossihunter2]

So I finally found time to really watch that link and all pf the throws he made were the basic throws that he always could make (the Hurst TD was boarderline but it was still middle of field strait line throw without a need for an accurate placement which he could hit in college.

My knock on him is that he throws ducks when throwing to a WR from the pocket. I'm not talking Rodgers deep ball just a basic 15 yard throw to Brown for instance I have yet to see something telling me he can hit that throw.

except i dont know what you're looking for...
he hit every throw with good placement and timing, he took what the defence gave him and moved the ball downfield

he demonstrated an ability to read the field and not just take his 1st read, he did something flacco never does which is change his delivery angle to avoid deflections, he showed good movement in the pocket on that TD to Hurst - and yes the defence was soft and he had a cushion to hit - but he also threw it to a spot that no defender would have had a chance even in tight coverage

 

[rossihunter2]

Exactly. Look for traits, that’s all you can do to project, does he do nfl caliber things? He absolutely did. He could break down mechanically when pressure comes, but he could also render pressure teams send useless with his legs

that's why i dont understand all the people who fail to see the progress - lamar had these opportunities in preseason and didnt punish defences but the improvement is there with his delivery and also his mental understanding - he showed us some traits and a comfort level that is really encouraging

i mean come on - vs the bills he threw late on a route one time with slightly off ball placement to a tight end coming through a zone, 1 drive later he's worked out what to do and the ravens run something similar with a different tight end (maxx this time i think) and he nails it

 

[TheCity5]

What exactly could have Lamar shown when he's in only on run plays / wild cat?
We don't know either way. What we know is the fact that Flacco sucks and that he is injured on top of that. How in the hell is he giving us better chance of winning any games?????

well that’s the point lol. We haven’t seen much of him and like I said it’s due to his lack of opportunities. If your goal is to make the postseason then you just have to ride it out with Joe until the season ends or until you’re matchematically eliminated, unless you know for sure that he gives you a better chance to win if Joe’s injury is worse then anticipated.