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Joe Flacco

Tank said:
Pretty simple. He has played in the NFL and has been successful as a starter. LJ's last start in a meaningful game was at the college level, and it wasn't so hot. Of course we know he as improved but we have no idea how he will perform under pressure when it counts. I'm also pretty sure Rob has learned and improved in that time as well and is the better option at this point.
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I agree with this point and on a side not I certainly don’t want to see Lamar Jackson get injured in his rookie year and miss training camp, which would set him back tremendously. Maybe I shouldn’t be worried about that, because it can happen to a pocket qb as well, but it’s in the back of my mind.
 
RavensMania said:
I agree with this point and on a side not I certainly don’t want to see Lamar Jackson get injured in his rookie year and miss training camp, which would set him back tremendously. Maybe I shouldn’t be worried about that, because it can happen to a pocket qb as well, but it’s in the back of my mind.
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RGKnee effect
 
rossihunter2 said:
RGIII only starts if they think Lamar isnt ready - this isnt an experience thing given that RGIII's last start was in 2016 and he hasnt exactly shined as a qb starter since his rookie season...
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1st yr LCL, ACL and concussion
2nd rushed back - it was obvious he wasn’t thst healthy
3rd - Sprained ankle missed 8 games
4th yr - RG3 is tagged with 5th yr option in March. Cousins wins job from the get go
5th yr - Browns QB
6th yr - out of football

He hasn’t had much of an opportunity since his rookie year.
 
Adreme said:
I'm not bashing him for beating up soft coverage but I will explain what I mean better

Divide the field in 3 left to right :left, middle, right. Then divide it into 3 distance wise: short medium and long. That totals 9 blocks. I have confidence that he can hit from the pocket, all 3 shorts and medium middle. I have no confidence in anything other than that because the last time I've seen him try any of those it went badly.

Now its been several months so maybe he can now but until he does a thing successfully I previously saw him fail at, I can't say he can do it
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I think your blocks are off.

He can hit all 3 middle blocks extremely well, even the deep block. He can hit short and medium right, and short left, iirc both deep sidelines are basically nonexistent to him and the mid backside is a weakness
 
David Rockefeller said:
HOPE is the operative word here. I'm afraid people are building their hopes to a level he can never attain. He very well could have been a 2nd round pick and the past is littered with a long list of highly touted 1st rounders that were busts. Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell, Akili Smith, and the list goes on and on.
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Well of course we're talking about hope because we simply don't know what he can do if given full control. But don't we want to find out?

We know what Flacco can do based on what he's done for several years now and that is put up some really good performances and follow them up with utter stink bombs which results in year over year mediocrity.

So we're supposed to be afraid to take a step forward in fear of going from mediocre to bad? Flacco is a lame duck - whether Lamar turns out to be the answer or not. So lets fucking get on with it.
 
Tank said:
LMAO! yeah, no.....way off base and dead wrong, has zero to do with anyone being "infatuated" with anyone, that's just something someone made up because they don't like my opinion. What I want to see is the Ravens make the playoffs and the IMO a healthy Flacco gives them the best chance at doing that. If he's not 100% then IMO Rob gives them the next best chance at winning. If they are eliminated from the tournament then I could maybe see giving LJ some playing time for the experience. BIG NEWS FLASH HERE...... Lamar has a ton of potential and ALL RAVENS FANS hope he eventually pans out, but you don't pin your efforts to make the post season on unproven hopes.
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So far Joe has put the Ravens at 4-5 and on a three game losing skid, including losing 4 of the last 5. Not sure how that's giving the Ravens the best chance.
 
allblackraven said:
You know what that means? That means exactly fuck all for any given player. You wouldn't take unbelievably talented but not polished guy because Ryan Leaf was a mental case?

How the fuck do you know what levels can Lamar, or any other player, attain? Looking at crystal ball or something?
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well we might as well never pick anyone at any position anywhere in the draft because there've been loads of busts in every round at every position...

what a ridiculous point
 
rossihunter2 said:
well we might as well never pick anyone at any position anywhere in the draft because there've been loads of busts in every round at every position...

what a ridiculous point
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Don’t draft Florida DBs cuz Matt Elam.
Don’t draft bama DBs cuz Kirkpatrick.
Don’t draft bama RBs cuz Trent rich
Our fan base feels very strongly about this sort of thing. One bust from a school and you can never draft that position from that school again.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Don’t draft Florida DBs cuz Matt Elam.
Don’t draft bama DBs cuz Kirkpatrick.
Don’t draft bama RBs cuz Trent rich
Our fan base feels very strongly about this sort of thing. One bust from a school and you can never draft that position from that school again.
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JoeyFlex5 said:
Don’t draft Florida DBs cuz Matt Elam.
Don’t draft bama DBs cuz Kirkpatrick.
Don’t draft bama RBs cuz Trent rich
Our fan base feels very strongly about this sort of thing. One bust from a school and you can never draft that position from that school again.
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Put it this way... if patriots were a college team, they would have the top qb,wrs and olinemen coming out every year just like bama does. Those guys all look immaculate for Bb but we all know dam well 90% of them arent even half as good outside the system.
 
Deebo813 said:
Put it this way... if patriots were a college team, they would have the top qb,wrs and olinemen coming out every year just like bama does. Those guys all look immaculate for Bb but we all know dam well 90% of them arent even half as good outside the system.
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bama players have been killing it in the pros the last half decade of drafts
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Don’t draft Florida DBs cuz Matt Elam.
Don’t draft bama DBs cuz Kirkpatrick.
Don’t draft bama RBs cuz Trent rich
Our fan base feels very strongly about this sort of thing. One bust from a school and you can never draft that position from that school again.
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Don't forget DTs because of Cody ...
 
I was going to say that I can't remember ever wondering which of 3 QBs would be starting on a given weekend. Not for the Ravens, not for anyone for that matter.

Well - I kinda had the sense that Flacco was out from earlier this week, but still wasn't sure. I think that became a little more certain today with the doubtful designation. Still, I can't say I really know between RGIII and Lamar. I think its a toss up.

Its an interesting decision for Harbaugh. He seems to be loving it.
 
Deebo813 said:
Which one of bama dbs would you take again at that same draft spot? None of the 2nd rnders were worth it i cant even think of any first rounders that were worth those early picks
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Working backwards through the most recent drafts:
  • 2018: Minkah Fitzpatrick was worth his draft spot - and we'll see how ronnie harrison and anthony averett do (3rd and 4th rounds respectively)
  • 2017: Marlon Humphrey was worth his draft spot, Eddie Jackson should have gone higher than the 4th round (he was the highest graded safety in the NFL through week 9)
  • 2016: fair enough cyrus jones was overdrafted (although that was obvious at the time to every team except new england apparently)
  • 2015: no db drafted
  • 2014: HaHa Clinton-Dix is a pro-bowl safety, Vinnie Sunseri (who?) was a 5th round pick and is now out of the league...
  • 2013: Dee Milliner was a flat out bust
  • 2012: Mark Barron - drafted as a DB but his career is as a linebacker (he got a 2nd contract as a linebacker too - so probably shouldnt be on this list tbh)... Dre Kirkpatrick has been worth his draft spot (and 2nd contract), Dequan Menzie (who?) was a 5th round pick and is now out of the league
ill stop there because im pre-superbowl now lol and it was hard enough going back and looking at courtney upshaw being our first pick in the draft that year...

so there's my list of every drafted db since 2012 from crimson tide...

i see 1 overdrafted corner, 1 flat out bust, 1 who changed position, 2 late round picks who were non-factors... and that's it for the negatives - so really only 3 negatives at most really (and one of them worked out just at an unexpected position - and one of them is still in the league but as a returner)

on the flipside you've got 4 first rounders who played up to their draft spot so far (all are still in the league), a 4th rounder who's playing like someone drafted in the 1st round and a 3rd and 4th rounder who are rookies with not enough snaps to make a judgement on yet

if you look purely at the most recent years (where trends come from) you'll see that contrary to your opinion, bama dbs seem to have a particularly good transition to the nfl
 
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