Joe Flacco

[Tank]

thanks tank, man I love that hit too!

what a machine Alonso is. almost the same play. hoyer took the late dive....kiko threw his hands up tryin to pull off. Lesson?...heres the moral of the story qbs. don't be a ditz and try to extend a play with a gamer lining you up!

no penalty on that one rightfully so. heres the problem if a defender has a mindset he has to back off a qb giving himself up, he will be tentative in his tackle and turn into matt elam. the defenseless player rule has to be judged in context.

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Kiko hit Hoyer in the head then threw his hands up so all his weight would be on him while rolling over him, tore the guy’s ACL. That’s where he deliberately tried to injure and they don’t allow that anymore. lol. It ain’t about backing off, it’s about playing clean.

 

[rossihunter2]

I don't know what the other guy's talking about, but he definitely slid late. Play is always going to look different in slow motion, but I still don't think Kiko was intentionally out to injure Joe. People act like it's easy to pull up when 2 people are basically running full speed and you have to react to the other guy.

I disagree tbh - I felt contact was inevitable but not with that amount of force or direction - joe started sliding and not only did alonso not pull up he also lowered his shoulder towards flacco’s head area with added force - it may well have been a bang bang but you see that with other players and you’ll often see them almost fall on top of the player and put their hands out rather than lower their shoulder and lay a hit

 

[Tank]

I disagree tbh - I felt contact was inevitable but not with that amount of force or direction - joe started sliding and not only did alonso not pull up he also lowered his shoulder towards flacco’s head area with added force - it may well have been a bang bang but you see that with other players and you’ll often see them almost fall on top of the player and put their hands out rather than lower their shoulder and lay a hit

Exactly. No one thinks he could have just stopped, but obviously there was no need to take his head off. Alonso said he knew he was going to slide so it’s not like he was surprised or anything. Lowering the boom into his head was intent to injure and per the rule he should have been ejected. We’ll see what the league does about a suspension.

 

[rossihunter2]

Exactly. No one thinks he could have just stopped, but obviously there was no need to take his head off. Besides being against the rules, it’s intent to injure and bush league crap.

And the way he immediately went over to harbs tells you he’s either looking to aggravate or he knew he’d done something wrong

 

[RavensMania]

I disagree tbh - I felt contact was inevitable but not with that amount of force or direction - joe started sliding and not only did alonso not pull up he also lowered his shoulder towards flacco’s head area with added force - it may well have been a bang bang but you see that with other players and you’ll often see them almost fall on top of the player and put their hands out rather than lower their shoulder and lay a hit

Absolutely agree, he couldn’t have avoided content, but the collision could have been less impactful

 

[Ellicottraven]

Yeah - if we were 5-3 ... that damn Bears game. I can't help but feel that if we come up one game short this season, it will be that game that was the unforgivable loss. I would feel SO much better right now if we had taken it. On the road at TEN is a game I assumed we'd lose - now it feels like one we have to win to stay on track.

I have no idea where Flacco is going to be in 10 days. I don't think anyone does - including team MDs. That hit was SO brutal and the instant effect of it that showed on his face was very disturbing. If I had to guess, I'd say he's out. I just hope it isn't longer and even more so, hope that it isn't something that will affect him forever.

To compensate for that Bears loss, we need to beat a great team at their place that we all had concluded was a W. But, again that would have to be for the Jags as well. So two away wins against 2 really good teams will kind of nullify the Bears and Jags losses. I say it is Greenbay and Steelers in Heinz Field. Then we'll be fine.

 

[RavensDFan]

it was bang bang. don't even think a flag should have been thrown. flacco never got into his slide he dropped to the ground while Alonso, (who is a beast, wish we had him and could have had him), was already into his "launch". the slide was a second late at least. but really? you really gonna penalize or eject a guy on a one second decision? the game is fast ain't it? no there ain't room in the game for punishing a player on a play like that. Flacco was sold out for the first down and realized to late he wasn't gonna safely make it, so he tried to end the charge to the first down line with a "UT OH" drop to the ground. there weren't no slide when flacco entered la la land. BANG, it was heckuva hit. it was a righteous hit and if anyone is to blame its flacco for taking the dive far to late. it was the kinda hit you want your defense to make. it was a old time NFL football hit and it had potential to be a game changer but knockin flacco out did not do the fins any good. because mallet filled the bill and our defense was frosty. but we match up well vs the fins and here today after one game hope springs eternal and folks are lamenting "we don't have a healthy flacco for the next game which vaults us into the playoff picture." really?......really?

heres the play freeze it along the run and it makes it clear this was on joe, he lacks awareness even in running.

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...6097F53E4D84897368F56097F53E4D84897&FORM=VIRE

I posted the freeze frame earlier, Alonso is still upright on his feet and not even into his "launch" when Flacco is flat on his back on the ground. Could he have avoided contact? No I don't think so. Then you can see in the next pic I posted that Alonso not only did not let up, did not make any attempt to avoid the hit, but tucked his arm in, aimed that shoulder, and came full steam. Don't know what crap you're looking at because yes, there was a slide and by NFL rule, once Flacco begins his slide, that ball is dead. Alonso had plenty of time to react and lessen the impact of that hit. Seriously, he flipping AIMED at his head while he was already on the ground.

Mallet filled the bill? lmao He threw 7 times and only completed 3 of those passes. Collins filled the bill. Mallet was garbage as usual.

 

[Militant X 1]

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Kiko hit Hoyer in the head then threw his hands up so all his weight would be on him while rolling over him, tore the guy’s ACL. That’s where he deliberately tried to injure and they don’t allow that anymore. lol. It ain’t about backing off, it’s about playing clean.

I feel the same way when it comes to responding to some of these cats.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Just so we're clear- the rule clearly states that a runner is considered down when he begins to give himself up. Right at that spot, he is down. When Joe first starts going down, Alonso is four to five yards away. Not only could Alonso have actually let up, but he didn't need to lower his shoulder or arm into Flacco's head. Alonso could have wrapped up and done a heads up tackle and it's a penalty, but not suspension worthy.

What he did was flat out dirty and suspension worthy.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

@Tank posted a link to the Dolphins beat page. Go to the twitter link that's shared of the video and start hitting stop and play quickly to simulate slow motion until Joe starts going down. Joe was going down and had a knee almost on the ground with Alonso FIVE yards away. Know what's even better? Alonso is in a running motion and upright. Like, literally entirely upright. He's not even beginning a tackling motion.

I'm going to get a crappy screen shot.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

You want to tell me based on that picture that I just posted that Alonso could do nothing to alter his path? That's bullshit.

 

[balfan23]

To compensate for that Bears loss, we need to beat a great team at their place that we all had concluded was a W. But, again that would have to be for the Jags as well. So two away wins against 2 really good teams will kind of nullify the Bears and Jags losses. I say it is Greenbay and Steelers in Heinz Field. Then we'll be fine.

Yeah - perhaps ... I really want the next game, but that's going to be tough. Depends on whether or not Flacco is OK and can string 2 games together or if Mallet can keep us afloat and the D dominates.

There is just such a clog at the WC fight in the AFC and we've got to take all the tie-breakers we can get. It is going to be very hard to catch PIT, so I want to work every angle for that fallback position. It is another huge game.

 

[balfan23]

You want to tell me based on that picture that I just posted that Alonso could do nothing to alter his path? That's bullshit.

Perhaps not his "path" - that is, his line of momentum could not be altered... but I don't believe for a second that he had already committed his curling of his pads to go lower and meet him at that strike point. Just ain't buying it.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

To compensate for that Bears loss, we need to beat a great team at their place that we all had concluded was a W. But, again that would have to be for the Jags as well. So two away wins against 2 really good teams will kind of nullify the Bears and Jags losses. I say it is Greenbay and Steelers in Heinz Field. Then we'll be fine.

I actually pegged GB as a win before the season, if our offense can get their shit together then we match up very well, the offense keeping their shit together is a lot to ask though

 

[29BmoreBird22]

Perhaps not his "path" - that is, his line of momentum could not be altered... but I don't believe for a second that he had already committed his curling of his pads to go lower and meet him at that strike point. Just ain't buying it.

He might have been destined to continue running into Joe, but he's an athlete- I'm sure he could have jumped easily. He did NOT have to begin a tackling motion and try to blow Joe up.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

I'm livid that there's even a debate about whether or not to suspend Alonso. Suspend his ass. You claim to care about player safety and your quarterbacks, so you best make an example of him.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Yeah - perhaps ... I really want the next game, but that's going to be tough. Depends on whether or not Flacco is OK and can string 2 games together or if Mallet can keep us afloat and the D dominates.

There is just such a clog at the WC fight in the AFC and we've got to take all the tie-breakers we can get. It is going to be very hard to catch PIT, so I want to work every angle for that fallback position. It is another huge game.

I think we can afford 2 losses. I think we need 10-6 to make the WC. Raiders likely aren't catching the chiefs so we're fighting them, Houston, jax, tenn(maybe, if they perform like they should), and maybe even the broncos and dolphins and bills. There could be 3+ teams with the same record not making it based on tiebreakers

 

[Dom McRaven]

Yeah - perhaps ... I really want the next game, but that's going to be tough. Depends on whether or not Flacco is OK and can string 2 games together or if Mallet can keep us afloat and the D dominates.

There is just such a clog at the WC fight in the AFC and we've got to take all the tie-breakers we can get. It is going to be very hard to catch PIT, so I want to work every angle for that fallback position. It is another huge game.

I think we can afford 2 losses. I think we need 10-6 to make the WC. Raiders likely aren't catching the chiefs so we're fighting them, Houston, jax, tenn(maybe, if they perform like they should), and maybe even the broncos and dolphins and bills. There could be 3+ teams with the same record not making it based on tiebreakers

I was just gonna say, the AFC Wild Card this season is wildly (pun intended) competitive and we're right in the thick of it. It's possible that the Steelers could go 13-3 or 12-4 based on their schedule so I see no way we can come back to win the division (fuck you offense). EVERY AFC game, including the Browns and Colts, are gonna be crazy important for tiebreaker purposes. We can't afford to lose to another AFC team if we truly want a Wild Card spot.

 

[RayRayRaven]

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Kiko hit Hoyer in the head then threw his hands up so all his weight would be on him while rolling over him, tore the guy’s ACL. That’s where he deliberately tried to injure and they don’t allow that anymore. lol. It ain’t about backing off, it’s about playing clean.

well you and ravenmadness have certainly morphed the contention from "you can't hit the head with the shoulder" to "you can't intentionally try to injure a player / can't hit a defenseless player."

anyway I know you know football tank. the hoyer hit for example was shoulder to head with no flag. pretty much puts it all to rest.

the defenseless player rule was put into effect for a couple situatiojns, like a wide receiver with his back turned to a guy like jack tatum barreling in full bore on an overthrown ball and lining a guy up with no chance to evade the blow.

now regarding the qb the defensive player / qb rule applies to a qb so engrossed looking downfield he can't avoid a head or knee shot. in that case you certainly can't lay a shoulder to the head of a concentrating qb in the pocket.

those are the rules.

however, (listen close ravenrabies), when a qb becomes a runner and is charging the mark to gain, all rules are off and the only thing to protect him is a timely slide. but when he pushes it too far he loses the benefit of the doubt and WHAM. concussion protocol baby!

for those that still want to argue that joejoe slid in time, its the same bunch that think he's sharp in the pocket to. Every see brady obliterated like that? no cuz he and Rodgers have the awareness to pull up. joe don't. anyways the baseball fans here will certainly know a proper and timely slide takes the head out of harms way.

 

[Tank]

well you and ravenmadness have certainly morphed the contention from "you can't hit the head with the shoulder" to "you can't intentionally try to injure a player / can't hit a defenseless player."

anyway I know you know football tank. the hoyer hit for example was shoulder to head with no flag. pretty much puts it all to rest.

the defenseless player rule was put into effect for a couple situatiojns, like a wide receiver with his back turned to a guy like jack tatum barreling in full bore on an overthrown ball and lining a guy up with no chance to evade the blow.

now regarding the qb the defensive player / qb rule applies to a qb so engrossed looking downfield he can't avoid a head or knee shot. in that case you certainly can't lay a shoulder to the head of a concentrating qb in the pocket.

those are the rules.

however, (listen close ravenrabies), when a qb becomes a runner and is charging the mark to gain, all rules are off and the only thing to protect him is a timely slide. but when he pushes it too far he loses the benefit of the doubt and WHAM. concussion protocol baby!

for those that still want to argue that joejoe slid in time, its the same bunch that think he's sharp in the pocket to. Every see brady obliterated like that? no cuz he and Rodgers have the awareness to pull up. joe don't. anyways the baseball fans here will certainly know a proper and timely slide takes the head out of harms way.

I gave you the link to the 2013 play not to show a blow to the head, but to illustrate Alonso’s propensity to tackle with the intent to injure. Just like Kiko purposely rolled Hoyer to injure him, he was targeting Flacco’s head to injure him. It wasn’t an “unfortunate accident” because the slide was late, or because it was a bad slide and his head was up. He said he knew he was going to slide and he knew exactly what he was doing. It was a cheap shot on a defenseless player, sliding QB or not.

Here’s another guy that knows Alonso from a former team and mentions his rep.

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/...cle_07d233c3-ee6d-5570-889a-a72692248135.html