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Joe Flacco

JAAM said:
The Giants benched Manning lol. How long of a leash does Flacco have?
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I don't think it's ever been an issue of how long his leash is. Flacco is here until the end of next season because of how his contract is structured.

I wouldn't be surprised to see a QB drafted early-ish next draft, but I also wouldn't be surprised if they didn't draft or sign another at all and just kept Mallett around. If Biscotti does decide to clean house in 2019, it would likely be easier to attract a good coach if he would be able to hand-pick his own QB and start over.
 
Eli is suffering our problems on steroids. His oline is worse, his running game is a joke. Good WR and TE corps only can get you so far.

Blaming him 100% for the problems proves that Mcadoo is a shit coach and a fucking idiot who needs to be canned.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Eli is suffering our problems on steroids. His oline is worse, his running game is a joke. Good WR and TE corps only can get you so far.

Blaming him 100% for the problems proves that Mcadoo is a shit coach and a fucking idiot who needs to be canned.
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McAdoo about nothing, I saw that as a fantasy name
 
Sooky said:
Well said people think this team will magically turn around and become the top offense in the league because of a rookie coming in and that's not the case. Watson was lucky to have a solid RB in Miller, a top 5 WR in Hopkins, and Fuller who is becoming one of the best deep threats in the league.

Even Carson Wentz and Jared Goofball struggled their rookie years due to lack of talent around them. Eagles went out and got Blount, Ajayi, Jeffery, Torrey Smith. Rams went and got Woods, Watkins, and drafted the most talented running back to come out of a draft in a long time in Gurley.
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It isn't really this simple at all and I wish people would stop trying to make it simple.

Did you watch Watson, Wentz, or Goff play at all at any points in their NFL career? Goff looked overwhelmed largely in part because STL was running a more pro style offense that asked him to play under center when he came from a spread style offense in college where he barely ran a huddle. Wentz was a division 1 FBS quarterback. The jump from NDSU to the NFL was IMMENSE. And it showed for both of these rookies. Also, Gurley was there a year before Goff was drafted.

I remember people on the old board, NFL.com, ESPN, etc. really, really questioned whether or not Robert Woods was a good signing and really made it clear as day that they hated the signing and the trade for Watkins really hasn't paid dividends like the Rams had thought. He's not a big part of that offense at all and he's not exactly what they expected he would be for them.

Getting back to watching them, there is such a clear difference in their ability to work through their reads, throw with sound mechanics, and create when plays aren't there. I can't tell you how often I watch Wentz and I'm just like, "Here's a sack," and then out of no where he comes out with a touchdown pass on a beautiful throw under pressure.

Getting the weapons of Wentz, Watson, or Goff would not be some magical fix at all, and even less so than getting a new quarterback. Joe doesn't work through is progressions at all, doesn't step into throws, and he's generally a statue. Houston was the first game where I saw any willingness to run with the ball and it was a heaven-send.

These teams invested in their offenses because they had seen enough to invest in their offenses and believed that their quarterbacks were capable of taking the next step with better weapons. If you had Brian Hoyer, would you invest in loads of money? No, probably not because he won't ever be elite. That's what we're now facing with Flacco.

Sure, he probably has closer to 6.0, 6.5 YPA and probably more like 15 touchdowns and 7 or 8 interceptions instead, but it isn't a significant uptick enough to sacrifice what is being built on defense, which can be very special and has already posted three shutouts.

Joe is creating most of the issues for himself. I always say this, but people get really excited for Ronnie Stanley, the signing of Danny Woodhead, Jeremy Maclin, Austin Howard, etc., until they see Joe play and then everyone likes to put the issues on them instead of Joe. These guys all showed they could play elsewhere and have shown they have play making ability here in Baltimore. Have to put the ball in their hands accurately or trust your line to do their job.
 
redrum52 said:
If you don't find the humor in it you'll find liquor in your cup and rage in your heart. This team is tough to watch.


I want him to do well, but I think it's funny because someone will chime in defending this fucking putrid play. Our goddam punter has shown better footwork on passes. Hell... Sanu has shown better touch and accuracy, granted it's a limited sample size. Sanu should be an off season priority cause it would kill two birds with one stone. I don't even know, at least we won.
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I saw what you did there. Get it? Kill two BIRDS with one stone? Huh? HUUH? Never mind...
 
The back injury was such a big deal, this is easily his worst season to date. Honestly I think Joe is somewhat like Sam Bradford, he can be as good as the talent around him. You put average guys around him and he will be that or even worse. You put good players around him and he will be just that.

I think you need Joe to simply carry more weight. It may not be fair to some but it's what is expected of the QB position. You just flat out need him to thread the needle on a throw, make a play and become a play-maker himself.

Joe stayed in the pocket and tried going through his reads today and I think the holes at WR/OL really showed. Ball hits Wallace right in his hands deep and he drops it. Maclin on the other hand was nowhere to be found, I don't know where he was at but he didn't make an appearance. I get all this but Joe still needs to play better, after that the Front office needs to do better and do a better job with these receivers. This lack of play-makers at the WR position predates Joe and its become a serious problem.
 
Lost_In_Translation said:
Oh.. He's been fucking horrible. No way around it...

But I am allowed to criticize everyone else too. Our offense is really a total shit show on every level. Our best players right now skill position wise are running backs who don't see the field at the same time. Ronnie Stanley is very good... But the rest of the line honestly leaves a lot to be desired. On the rare occasion that Flacco does throw an accurate pass, Wallace and Perriman drop it, and then Maclin gets hurt... Again. At times the running game is utterly nonexistent, and while the playcalling isn't as detrimental as some suggest... It's still pretty fucking bad.

Flacco deserves a significant portion of the blame. But that blame can also be passed around.

If we didn't have a great defense we'd be in the same boat as the Giants right now. Shit QB play, but the rest of that offense is also an utter shitshow due to injuries(Mcadoo and Harbaugh must be bffs) to the point where you can't do anything about it.

Even if Flacco started to play better, the offense would have significant issues.

My stance is simple. Build the skeleton of the offense this offseason. A rookie QB is not the answer this offseason, he'd get massacred(unless we got Rosen.. Who has nothing to work with in college himself and is used to cleaning up after his defense's mistakes). Get Oline, WRs, RBs. If Flacco continues to play like shit next season(I mean, we are stuck with him anyway thanks to his contract) then you go find his fucking replacement and sell the farm for a QB next offseason.
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I can't put all the blame on him. I've said the same things you have. Believe we need to build the foundation as well with the OL and ride it out with Flacco unless a top QB falls to us. A solid team needs to be built so when the time does come the new guy isn't forced to do too much.
 
@29BmoreBird22 How many more times do we need to see other qbs almost seamlessly integrate new weapons into their offense before we realize it's a QB problem? It can't always be the OC or receivers. Guys are getting open.
 
TheCity5 said:
The back injury was such a big deal, this is easily his worst season to date. Honestly I think Joe is somewhat like Sam Bradford, he can be as good as the talent around him. You put average guys around him and he will be that or even worse. You put good players around him and he will be just that.

I think you need Joe to simply carry more weight. It may not be fair to some but it's what is expected of the QB position. You just flat out need him to thread the needle on a throw, make a play and become a play-maker himself.

Joe stayed in the pocket and tried going through his reads today and I think the holes at WR/OL really showed. Ball hits Wallace right in his hands deep and he drops it. Maclin on the other hand was nowhere to be found, I don't know where he was at but he didn't make an appearance. I get all this but Joe still needs to play better, after that the Front office needs to do better and do a better job with these receivers. This lack of play-makers at the WR position predates Joe and its become a serious problem.
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I thought the deep ball went right through his hands, not in them, but it's a moot point. I'm done with Wallace. He hasn't shown me much. As for the TEs, both Maxx and Boyle could be playmakers if they weren't so damn slow. There was one play in particular where they try to do a a crossing route with Maxx (I think?) and the play would've worked had he gained enough separation.

I mean seriously, Flacco threw for less than 150 yards against THIS Texans secondary. LESS THAN A HUNDRED-FIFTY YARDS. Reading this thread and the Texans recap thread, you would've believed we lost the game. That's how disgusted we all are about this "offense."
 
redrum52 said:
@29BmoreBird22 How many more times do we need to see other qbs almost seamlessly integrate new weapons into their offense before we realize it's a QB problem? It can't always be the OC or receivers. Guys are getting open.
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I'm with you. I don't know that Joe has gotten the most help from guys like Marty, Trestman, Marlon Brown, Perriman, etc., but at some point, we have to own up to the fact that many of these issues are flat out on Joe himself.
 
I mean, shoot, if the Ravens spent a first round pick on Joe and got six good years AND a Super Bowl, I'll take it. No shame in that at all and that's honestly more than you could hope for in today's NFL.
 
29BmoreBird22 said:
It isn't really this simple at all and I wish people would stop trying to make it simple.

Did you watch Watson, Wentz, or Goff play at all at any points in their NFL career? Goff looked overwhelmed largely in part because STL was running a more pro style offense that asked him to play under center when he came from a spread style offense in college where he barely ran a huddle. Wentz was a division 1 FBS quarterback. The jump from NDSU to the NFL was IMMENSE. And it showed for both of these rookies. Also, Gurley was there a year before Goff was drafted.

I remember people on the old board, NFL.com, ESPN, etc. really, really questioned whether or not Robert Woods was a good signing and really made it clear as day that they hated the signing and the trade for Watkins really hasn't paid dividends like the Rams had thought. He's not a big part of that offense at all and he's not exactly what they expected he would be for them.

Getting back to watching them, there is such a clear difference in their ability to work through their reads, throw with sound mechanics, and create when plays aren't there. I can't tell you how often I watch Wentz and I'm just like, "Here's a sack," and then out of no where he comes out with a touchdown pass on a beautiful throw under pressure.

Getting the weapons of Wentz, Watson, or Goff would not be some magical fix at all, and even less so than getting a new quarterback. Joe doesn't work through is progressions at all, doesn't step into throws, and he's generally a statue. Houston was the first game where I saw any willingness to run with the ball and it was a heaven-send.

These teams invested in their offenses because they had seen enough to invest in their offenses and believed that their quarterbacks were capable of taking the next step with better weapons. If you had Brian Hoyer, would you invest in loads of money? No, probably not because he won't ever be elite. That's what we're now facing with Flacco.

Sure, he probably has closer to 6.0, 6.5 YPA and probably more like 15 touchdowns and 7 or 8 interceptions instead, but it isn't a significant uptick enough to sacrifice what is being built on defense, which can be very special and has already posted three shutouts.

Joe is creating most of the issues for himself. I always say this, but people get really excited for Ronnie Stanley, the signing of Danny Woodhead, Jeremy Maclin, Austin Howard, etc., until they see Joe play and then everyone likes to put the issues on them instead of Joe. These guys all showed they could play elsewhere and have shown they have play making ability here in Baltimore. Have to put the ball in their hands accurately or trust your line to do their job.
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pretty much.

was watching the rams and saints game and it was trully beautifull how they showed goff throwing beautifull passes and then every time zoom in on his feet showing great footwork.
they showed how he moved in the pocket to buy time but every time he threw his feet where set all the time.

they talked about how he struggled last season and then went to work and how it looks now.
 
Tru11 said:
pretty much.

was watching the rams and saints game and it was trully beautifull how they showed goff throwing beautifull passes and then every time zoom in on his feet showing great footwork.
they showed how he moved in the pocket to buy time but every time he threw his feet where set all the time.

they talked about how he struggled last season and then went to work and how it looks now.
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It's incredible how night and day these quarterbacks play compared to Flacco. Sure, some can get away with truly unorthodox mechanics (Rodgers, Stafford), but for most, if you just get back to the basics, you will look damn good and that's what Flacco is failing to do.

I've watched a few Eagles games and Wentz's ability to navigate a collapsing pocket and throw a perfect dime under pressure is stunning. He's the MVP of the league right now to me and it isn't even close.
 
redrum52 said:
@29BmoreBird22 How many more times do we need to see other qbs almost seamlessly integrate new weapons into their offense before we realize it's a QB problem? It can't always be the OC or receivers. Guys are getting open.
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well perriman was open last night but the pass was throw way out of bound.

sum will probably argue he should have defied the law of physics to catch those balls lol
 
So, AJ McCarron is expected to campaign for free agency this offseason, otherwise he'd be a RFA of the Bengals. What do we think the odds are that if he reaches FA, Ozzie will go after Bama Boy?
 
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