Lmao now you blaming it on the wind? If you think
Flacco is a good qb so be it. Idk what you been watching these last few years that would make you think that but ok.
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Flacco is a good qb so be it. Idk what you been watching these last few years that would make you think that but ok.
Ellicottraven
Ravens Ring of Honor
I'm somewhere in the middle but skewed a little towards @Deebo813. I truly believe in 10 yrs Flacco has shown us he is an immensely average QB with limited football intelligence and a decent arm.
For me it's more about him having little to know offensive talent around him for the past few years and every year changing offensive systems doesn't help as well. I like how we played better when he removed the brace and all and agree we played easier defenses, but we also put up a lot of points during that time as well. I absolutely don't think he is elite, but feel he is better than average and absolutely has football intelligence and agree he has a good arm. Although, he rarely throws with touch. This bothers me to know end.
Now that he has some talent around him, both young and vets, I'd like to see how he performs and as I said, I'm ready for a new QB so wouldn't have any issues drafting Lamar Jackson at 16 either.
2 things. I am nowhere near on the opposite end of the spectrum. In order to be on opposite end as him I would have to be pushing Flacco as a HoF candidate whereas I just see him as top 10 to top 15 QB. The only reason it looks that way is because I dont blame the offense when the offense puts up 35 against one of the highest rated defenses in the league, or blame the QB for an interception against Bengals when the ball bounces off the WR hands. There are actual legitimate criticisms of Flacco you can make. He probably came back to soon. He has always had poor form. He always has that 1 throw in a game you want back (though oftentimes it isn't punished) but for that latter I feel that way about a lot of QBs.
Our difference is that I do not dismiss data and trends just because I do not like it. I looked at our offense at the end and saw obvious improvement whereas he dismisses because he cant criticize Flacco if the offense is looking good. It blows my mind that the take away from the second Steelers game compared to the first isnt "The Ravens offense is a LOT better with a healthy Flacco then most in the NFL, and the Ravens defnese is a LOT worse without Jimmy at stopping AB." Those were the two obvious takeaways and should not even be debatable.
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Take a look at flacco! Still low football iq, still dont make adjustments at line of scrimmage, still makes inaccurate throws and still makes bad decisions. He is in his 10th plus year and has bad mechanics.. thats what i see. One thing we can gurantee is the inconsistency of joe flacco!...... arod, brady, russ wilson, wentz, big ben, cousins, matt ryan, matt stafford, cam, brees.. no way he could be top 10 . Then we have jimmy G, rivers, goff, and derek carr that me personally would choose over flacco right now
RayRayRaven
Veteran
Well...we got jojoe. If we were going to prosper with him, he needs to throw long. This West Coast nickel and dime, dime if you're lucky, stuff is killing us. Joejoe can't do that. He has to gun and you take the interceptions, set them aside and let him throw long. They signed him three receivers right? Crabtree, Brown and now mercurial Willie Snead. WE ROCK!!!!!
At least they gave something to Joejoe this year. Course, they took away his center too. Supporting Joejoe is very difficult. That's because our Front Office is High Maintenance! They have to pay for all those poor resignings and extended contracts that they do. Our Front Office is spooky, but blue eye shadow ain't gonna help them now. We got Willie Snead!!!!
Don't get me wrong, Crab, Brown and Snead are an improvement from last year. But isn't it the "Scattergun" approach from the Spooks again? Why can't they settle on one good player and pull the trigger on that rifle? NO...they gotta use a shotgun, let her rip and hope the shot hits something. They figure ONE of those signings will pan out. Isn't that what we do in the draft?.....Trade Back?.....Trade Down?....really on that compensatory 5th rounder?....How's that working the last several years anyway?
I'm not even watching the draft this year. Wanna see it next year with the new decision makers.
Tru11
Practice Squad
the only QB that dominated a top defense in that game was Ben against us.
You seriously now wanna give flacco the credit for how hard collins was running?
The Ravens are not a top defense without Jimmy, we see that every year. And ya Collins was great that game (no idea where that went the last 3 games but I digress) but when you put up 38 against a top scoring defense there is more than enough credit to go around. Ill give credit to Collins, I will give credit to the line, give credit to Flacco, even some credit to WRs and TEs I guess, because your team put up 38 on a top defense.
In what world is the steelers a top defense?
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
If you could read what he said...its scoring defense. Which is true.
So we cant be a top defense cause jimmy out but steelers are still a top scoring defense without shazier? People need to just cut act. Flacco is what he is which is a avg to below avg qb
Tru11
Practice Squad
Intresting how you argue that steelers are a top defense using their season stats not considering them playing without shazier and haden at the time,
yet argue that the ravens are not a top defense without jimmy yet not considering their season stats.....
So you arguing that shazier and haden are just 2 bums who can easily be replaced and have no impact on the defense whatsoever like jimmy for instance?
Id argue that losing shazier and haden would be pretty much the same as losing jimmy and mosley.....
give him top 5 wrs in nfl and nothing will change. His football iq, inconsistent accuracy, dumb decisions nor his ability to make changes at presnap. I mean i cant fault you for thinking a nice qb, he plays for our fav team
Tank
Hall of Famer
lol.....Thanks for posting and perfectly illustrating my point.
redrum52
Hall of Famer
I could probably make this case for 20-25 qbs.
DeVito52
Ravens Ring of Honor
I wouldnt say easily a top 10 QB...thats a stretch. Can he play like a top 10 QB every few games or something in that scenario? Yes, but he's not consistent enough to merit easily being a top 10 QB.
With how it's shaping up, if we have a decent Oline, he will probably be middle of the pack top 15-20~. And that's all we need.
He could play better than that but you cant say he will be a top 10 QB next year right now. I still believe in Joe but I'd say you're the one being silly right now.. .
RayRayRaven
Veteran
Tank...Flacco was a top 10 qb for 4 consecutive weeks in 2012-2013. That's all.
You can never go home.
I'd argue they played fairly well without Shazier. Nowhere near there regular season ranking, but before Jax, I can't say they looked as bad as they did against Balt in there last 3 games. Now the only real team they played was the Pats and they did mediocre against them, but the Pats always own the Steelers.
Unrelated but before I even give an opinion on anything I do research on it and let research dictate said opinion. If my research showed Flacco sucked, I would say it, but it didnt. I can't possibly more objective on a player than letting the facts dictate my opinions.