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The WR Thread

JoeyFlex5 said:
Lol you say asinine shit like calling players and posters losers and "dorks" and claim to have insider information within the NFL, but I'm a shit flinging homer because I say you talk out of your ass on a regular basis.

If you want so badly to shit on the ravens and any fan who shows optimism, then join a leaguewide forums, not a ravens specific forum.

Member when your insiders told you Suggs was about to get popped for steroids and it was already a done deal? I member. Think about shit like that when you wonder why the entire forum talks to you the way they do, rather than "you're a homer loser nerd!" At everyone.
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I never begin calling nerds and shit b4 somebody calls me a name first. And dude, get it straight. I don’t call anybody a loser for loving football, ravens and draft evaluations. I do so when somebody clearly loses their chickens and acts like an ass cuz. Somebody else doesn’t share optimism over every player. And resorts to name calling and offensive comments. Met many browns fans at work from my company in Cleveland...... Come to Baltimore for training, help for a while with multiple projects and some more minor reasons. Anyways Browns fans take laughter and criticism quite well but love their team. I get our company good rates while in town cuz I bartended at a hotel part time b4 where I’m at now. Anyways one Browns fan couldn’t deal with the jokes. He was a little friggin dork!! Thing is it was me and some random pretty girls making fun of the Browns. He got quiet and girls eventually left to go out on the boulevard. After girls left he called them ho’s and bitches and cunts for making fun of his Browns. And salked like a depressed clown. I said dude screw the Browns. Those hot girls were talking and playing with you. You shoulda tried to go with them. Not crying over laughing at the Browns. And it’s when people take criticism of their team to that extreme I call people a jackass or dork. Anyways we were making Cleveland Clowns jokes. I was poking a little fun at Brandon Weeden at the time. Saying he looked like a 50 year old rookie QB. The girls were a little more harsh. Saying things like The world would spin backwards if Cleveland browns were ever good.lol
 
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To get the topic back to WRs, my top five for this draft is:
1: Ridley: Just great at everything, especially at getting separation.

2: James Washington: I was originally down on him but he really showed at the senior bowl that he's legit.

3: Christian Kirk: He's been my guy in this draft, and I stand by it. He's going to be a real play maker in the NFL. Another Tyreek Hill.

4: Anthony Miller: Just does everything well.

5: DJ Chark: Will possibly end up as the best deep threat receiver in this draft. Would possibly be considered a first rounder if he played for a team with a competent offense.

Sutton, Tate, Robertson, and Gallup would be the next tier of receivers after those five.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
I never begin calling nerds and shit b4 somebody calls me a name first. And dude, get it straight. I don’t call anybody a loser for loving football, ravens and draft evaluations. I do so when somebody clearly loses their chickens and acts like an ass cuz. Somebody else doesn’t share optimism over every player. And resorts to name calling and offensive comments. Met many browns fans at work from my company in Cleveland...... Come to Baltimore for training, help for a while with multiple projects and some more minor reasons. Anyways Browns fans take laughter and criticism quite well but love their team. I get our company good rates while in town cuz I bartended at a hotel part time b4 where I’m at now. Anyways one Browns fan couldn’t deal with the jokes. He was a little friggin dork!! Thing is it was me and some random pretty girls making fun of the Browns. He got quiet and girls eventually left to go out on the boulevard. After girls left he called them ho’s and bitches and cunts for making fun of his Browns. And salked like a depressed clown. I said dude screw the Browns. Those hot girls were talking and playing with you. You shoulda tried to go with them. Not crying over laughing at the Browns. And it’s when people take criticism of their team to that extreme I call people a jackass or dork. Anyways we were making Cleveland Clowns jokes. I was poking a little fun at Brandon Weeden at the time. Saying he looked like a 50 year old rookie QB. The girls were a little more harsh. Saying things like The world would spin backwards if Cleveland browns were ever good.lol
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My point exactly...

But arnie is right, WRs...
 
I think Gallup should be getting more attention. He could very well go in the 2nd round and will be very productive in the NFL. Not sure he'll ever be a #1 but he makes a real solid 2nd option
 
After a further look to Sutton, my doubts have been confirmed.
He was actually misused at SMU. I prefere him attacking the middle of the field due to his ability to maintain speed through changing patterns, instead of asking him to rum hitches, comebacks and go-to routes. Not really a creative eviroment for a guy who, despite his size, struggles to locate, go up for the ball and win contested catches. QB abysmal play didn't do him any favour, of course, but the outcome of many bad plays were affected by his bad habits rather than anybody else.
In conclusion, I would say he's the definition of raw and I don't think he should go in the top 50.

Problem 1:
Hands
It's not like I'm overreacting, the guy catches something like 70% of his completion either as if he were to catch a punt or with an awkward hands placement.
I guess this is the clearest example
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Ball passes right through his hands..
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He constantly places his body in the direction of the throw, right in front of the ball. Problem is, he doesn't reach his arms for it. Lowers them and lets it bounce against his number before he can secure it.
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Here for example he's in perfect position. Inside release and leverage, good throw, CB 2 yards behind View attachment 532
Doesn't sicure it as it bounces against the chest for an incomplete pass.
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Now, this is a bad habit because, as we know, the timing and the speed of NFL cornerbacks hits will not allow all of those body catches to become completions.
It's a bad attitude especially because it's paired with his passiveness while playing in the endzone and along the sideline (second problem).
He'll never anticipate by gaining a better position in front of defenders, let alone go through their frame.
Even when he's in position and the corner is late he can screw up an easy TD

Deep in the endzone, alone waiting for the ballView attachment 534
Doesn't go back for it. Doesn't attack. He's waiting for it to be at man's hight. Result is obvious
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He's again waiting for it. I don't even care if he doesn't bring it down. Problem is his mindset, the ability to read the situation and take a shot at it.
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There's a ton of proofs about these issues.
Another thing is his tendency to blatantly push the corner before to turn on a comeback route and similar. I've seen him doing it at least 4 times. I'm just not posting it because it would get annoying with too many examples and I'd like to make a one page review on every WR.

All said and done, he can be a pretty good player, although inconsistent, like Demaryius Thomas but I don't see a high ceiling with him. I'd say mid-late 2nd would be fine.
 


Voch did a nice look at Ridley. He has a couple small weaknesses (not a great blocker or the best at jump balls, which could be trouble when paired with Flacco), but his ability to get great separation is incredible. Especially doing it through route running rather than just trying to outrun everyone. I really liked how he lulled the CB into getting close by running at like seventy percent speed, and then blasted by him.
 
Italian Raven said:
After a further look to Sutton, my doubts have been confirmed.
He was actually misused at SMU. I prefere him attacking the middle of the field due to his ability to maintain speed through changing patterns, instead of asking him to rum hitches, comebacks and go-to routes. Not really a creative eviroment for a guy who, despite his size, struggles to locate, go up for the ball and win contested catches. QB abysmal play didn't do him any favour, of course, but the outcome of many bad plays were affected by his bad habits rather than anybody else.
In conclusion, I would say he's the definition of raw and I don't think he should go in the top 50.

Problem 1:
Hands
It's not like I'm overreacting, the guy catches something like 70% of his completion either as if he were to catch a punt or with an awkward hands placement.
I guess this is the clearest example
View attachment 528
Ball passes right through his hands..
View attachment 540

He constantly places his body in the direction of the throw, right in front of the ball. Problem is, he doesn't reach his arms for it. Lowers them and lets it bounce against his number before he can secure it.
View attachment 529
View attachment 530
Here for example he's in perfect position. Inside release and leverage, good throw, CB 2 yards behind View attachment 532
Doesn't sicure it as it bounces against the chest for an incomplete pass.
View attachment 531
Now, this is a bad habit because, as we know, the timing and the speed of NFL cornerbacks hits will not allow all of those body catches to become completions.
It's a bad attitude especially because it's paired with his passiveness while playing in the endzone and along the sideline (second problem).
He'll never anticipate by gaining a better position in front of defenders, let alone go through their frame.
Even when he's in position and the corner is late he can screw up an easy TD

Deep in the endzone, alone waiting for the ballView attachment 534
Doesn't go back for it. Doesn't attack. He's waiting for it to be at man's hight. Result is obvious
View attachment 533

He's again waiting for it. I don't even care if he doesn't bring it down. Problem is his mindset, the ability to read the situation and take a shot at it.
View attachment 539
View attachment 538

There's a ton of proofs about these issues.
Another thing is his tendency to blatantly push the corner before to turn on a comeback route and similar. I've seen him doing it at least 4 times. I'm just not posting it because it would get annoying with too many examples and I'd like to make a one page review on every WR.

All said and done, he can be a pretty good player, although inconsistent, like Demaryius Thomas but I don't see a high ceiling with him. I'd say mid-late 2nd would be fine.
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I posted this as an article in the news section. It will remain here as well. I’ve left it for your to title. Right now it’s just called Courtland Sutton.
 
RaineV1 said:


Voch did a nice look at Ridley. He has a couple small weaknesses (not a great blocker or the best at jump balls, which could be trouble when paired with Flacco), but his ability to get great separation is incredible. Especially doing it through route running rather than just trying to outrun everyone. I really liked how he lulled the CB into getting close by running at like seventy percent speed, and then blasted by him.
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So, he came to conclusion that Ridley isn't a good blocker based on limited (exactly one example) film? Not even film, broadcast coverage / slow motion.
Over last 3 years Bama backs (Henry, Bo, Harris) ran a ton of yards behind the blocks Ridley made. Around the edge and in the slot.
Jump balls aren't required with Ridley - he is so open or out-running coverage there is no need for jump balls. He does it on underthrown balls (like in the sample shown) - adjusted perfectly, grabbed the ball but DB made a great play. I've seen few more where Ridley won in similar situation.
Lombardi is talking out his ass if you ask me.
 
allblackraven said:
So, he came to conclusion that Ridley isn't a good blocker based on limited (exactly one example) film? Not even film, broadcast coverage / slow motion.
Over last 3 years Bama backs (Henry, Bo, Harris) ran a ton of yards behind the blocks Ridley made. Around the edge and in the slot.
Jump balls aren't required with Ridley - he is so open or out-running coverage there is no need for jump balls. He does it on underthrown balls (like in the sample shown) - adjusted perfectly, grabbed the ball but DB made a great play. I've seen few more where Ridley won in similar situation.
Lombardi is talking out his ass if you ask me.
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Watching Voch's film he usually just gives a couple examples of everything he saw when watching film of players. Ridley probably has made several blocks that opened up the backs, but I think he looks into if he thinks he will be a better blocker at the next level and there probably was no indication from what he saw. You have to knock on at least one or two few things on players even when in comparison to other players it is a non-factor.
 
Sooky said:
Watching Voch's film he usually just gives a couple examples of everything he saw when watching film of players. Ridley probably has made several blocks that opened up the backs, but I think he looks into if he thinks he will be a better blocker at the next level and there probably was no indication from what he saw. You have to knock on at least one or two few things on players even when in comparison to other players it is a non-factor.
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Why fabricate something to have a "balanced" breakdown? Why not find some real shortcomings?
 
What do you guys think of Darren Carrington? I know he had a DUI at Oregon, so he might be off our radar, but he is my pick in the middle rounds. From what I've seen, he has great body control on routes going over the middle and uses his body very well on the sidelines. If he is there at our 4th comp, if we get one, or at our 5th, I would take him.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Have you watched any more tape on Robertson yet?? Does it match highlights??
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Used my tried and true "(prospect name) vs" search on YouTube and got jackshit. Made a post asking for any film on him if anyone knows of any. All I've seen is a compilation of his more meaningful catches, it was like a 3 minute video. It was full of more of the same, stunning catches, great YAC ability, solid releases off the line, a few good strong breaks out of the top of his route. I haven't seen anything to show a weakness yet, his routes lack creativity but he seems to grasp the general concept, ya know, hard stops, exploding out of breaks, etc. he needs to play at different gears and use the nuances like head and shoulders fakes, do the things to draw defenders in/back them off to win before he even breaks. Saw nothing spectacular on his release, no brilliant leverage work like a James Washington or Auden Tate, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he has a weakness there, seems to use quick feet mostly for his release, but if he can take that same "back-shielding" mentality he uses when catching a deep crosser and apply it to his routes then his leverage game should be strong and allow him to pair lightning quick and strong feet with good sense of body positioning to win releases very easily.

This is off the top based on what I watched yesterday. I'm dying to see REAL film on this kid because he seems too good to be true, I mean I don't even see his name out there, I'd kill to have that ballattacking on this team.
 
JoeyFlex5 said:
Used my tried and true "(prospect name) vs" search on YouTube and got jackshit. Made a post asking for any film on him if anyone knows of any. All I've seen is a compilation of his more meaningful catches, it was like a 3 minute video. It was full of more of the same, stunning catches, great YAC ability, solid releases off the line, a few good strong breaks out of the top of his route. I haven't seen anything to show a weakness yet, his routes lack creativity but he seems to grasp the general concept, ya know, hard stops, exploding out of breaks, etc. he needs to play at different gears and use the nuances like head and shoulders fakes, do the things to draw defenders in/back them off to win before he even breaks. Saw nothing spectacular on his release, no brilliant leverage work like a James Washington or Auden Tate, but I haven't seen anything to suggest he has a weakness there, seems to use quick feet mostly for his release, but if he can take that same "back-shielding" mentality he uses when catching a deep crosser and apply it to his routes then his leverage game should be strong and allow him to pair lightning quick and strong feet with good sense of body positioning to win releases very easily.

This is off the top based on what I watched yesterday. I'm dying to see REAL film on this kid because he seems too good to be true, I mean I don't even see his name out there, I'd kill to have that ballattacking on this team.
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So far unless Robertson really shows up I’m looking for DJ Chark to be available round2. So far my pick to eventually be the best WR of his class. In my opinion his skills are better than Ridleys. Unless a too10 talent falls or a QB then this is definitely the draft to trade down. And grab at least 2 of these receivers.
 
RavensMania said:
I posted this as an article in the news section. It will remain here as well. I’ve left it for your to title. Right now it’s just called Courtland Sutton.
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Ok great
I didn't even think we had singular reports in a different thread than "2018 NFL draft".
I guess I'll just write the next ones over there while summing up my overall WR rankings and preferences here.
 
@Jacquouille touched on this with regards to maybe drafting guice but what I thought was interesting was Eric decosta basically confirmed what most of us thought from the beginning i.e. that the strength of the draft for wr is on day 2

The reason I bring that up is because decosta specifically said there were maybe only 1 or 2 wrs who would get taken in the first round...

My question is... who do you guys reckon they are?

Ridley’s one of them I assume but who’s the other... James Washington? Christian Kirk? As much as I’d like it to be Anthony Miller I doubt it’s him...

So who is it?
 
rossihunter2 said:
@Jacquouille touched on this with regards to maybe drafting guice but what I thought was interesting was Eric decosta basically confirmed what most of us thought from the beginning i.e. that the strength of the draft for wr is on day 2

The reason I bring that up is because decosta specifically said there were maybe only 1 or 2 wrs who would get taken in the first round...

My question is... who do you guys reckon they are?

Ridley’s one of them I assume but who’s the other... James Washington? Christian Kirk? As much as I’d like it to be Anthony Miller I doubt it’s him...

So who is it?
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Agree ive been pomdering about this for quite some time now. I dont think it would be Sutton but with the Ravens you never know lol. From what i think maybe it could be Cain. I know he and Ridley came out of the same recruiting class and there was just as much hype about both of them. I think Cain's 2017 film roughed him up a little but i dint think Clemsons new QB is gonna set the world on fire with his arm either.

Also going back to Guice. Id be all in on taking Gukce at 16 and both Decosta Harbaugh reiterated that we wouldnt be against bringing in a "home run hitter" or what Decosta refered to as a special talent at the position. Guice fits that mold....but then again....he went to LSU. Come to think of it, Ozzie did say he would draft "7" (Fournette) if he was there....(i wonder why he didnt say his name.....hmmmmm....kinda like Suggs)

If not Guice then i notice Ronald Jones is getting a lot more praise than i expected. He fits that Melvin Gordon, Jamal Charles mold. I kinda wanna take another look at him though...not sure hes worth 16th like Guice probably is
 
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