The Good, the Bad, the Ugly, and the Ravens Offense: Week 6 Edition

[Christian Schwarz]

The thing for me is that the Ravens have just never shown they could properly develop them. Both of them were fairly raw prospects with massive upside. They needed a lot of polish and work to get to their potential. The Ravens just haven't shown they can bring that out.

Good point,

To me that's the definition of reaching/overdrafting. Taking a player with a semi-high pick given their college production/ athletic ability, overlooking their clear cut flaws in hopes of refining them and developing them into something that their not.

Perriman had seemingly other worldly speed and athletics, but was an injury and drop worry coming out of college.

Williams- an undersized poor blocking TE with plenty of Todd Heap esque receiving promise and if he coulda/would bulked up better maybe become our heir apparent Heap/Pitta replacement.

To me Williams was way undersized/out of shape with a high schoolers physique, and never made an effort to add mass/muscle and as a result wasnt able to block D-linemen or stay healthy.

 

[DeVito52]

He's had a terribly shaky start this season. That said, he's also seen a paltry 15 targets in 6 games. I'm unsure of how that can qualify as getting a player involved.

Exactly. Thank you. And up until like last week none of our receivers were seeing many targets or making any noise. But yeah it’s fun to only focus on Perriman I guess

 

[Christian Schwarz]

Good. Get tf out of here.

Haha you know you have nothing to argue sir, so I'll just calmly sip my beer and read the rest of the comments.

Lol

 

[DeVito52]

Look I hope you are right and Perriman miraculously becomes a stud receiver, hell I will even take Torrey Smith level.

But I have seen enough to know its very doubtful .

Alright I can accept that. Hopefully he’s not out for long, if he’s gonna be a bust I want to see him be a bust on the field not the sideline.

 

[rossihunter2]

Good point,

To me that's the definition of reaching/overdrafting. Taking a player with a semi-high pick given their college production/ athletic ability, overlooking their clear cut flaws in hopes of refining them and developing them into something that their not.

Perriman had seemingly other worldly speed and athletics, but was an injury and drop worry coming out of college.

Williams- an undersized poor blocking TE with plenty of Todd Heap esque receiving promise and if he coulda/would bulked up better maybe become our heir apparent Heap/Pitta replacement.

To me Williams was way undersized/out of shape with a high schoolers physique, and never made an effort to add mass/muscle and as a result wasnt able to block D-linemen or stay healthy.

that's not overdrafting/reaching - that's just getting it wrong - it happens - i wish it wouldnt happen on a 1st round pick but it does happen, for every single team - every team misses on high picks once in a while

reaching would be taking someone who does not have the requisite talent level for where you're taking them based on what other players are available - perriman was literally the last player on our board with a 1st round grade left when we were picking - either we took him or we were trading back - that doesnt sound like reaching to me

 

[Truth]

This one went from being a disappointing loss to a potential incredible comeback to an absolute heartbreaker. No game ever comes down to a single play, but it's rather difficult to not to dwell on the final moments. The in-bounds reception to Mike Wallace toe end the regulation timer, the unsuccessful 3rd and 2 conversion in OT and the Eric Weddle strip attempt are among those plays. Obviously the tipped up pick-six is there as well. It hurts so much more given that we could've had this one.

 

[ravenslord]

I think Flacco is done. Rarely got injured during his career but when he finally did (thanks Hurst)
it seems that he is regressing to the point that his career may be over.

I have no doubt that Ozzie will be looking for a Qb next season even though we will never admit it.

I have heard they have been scouting QB's already .

I have been a huge Flacco apologist when he has played bad but enough is enough.

TIme to move on. Next year.

 

[allblackraven]

He's had a terribly shaky start this season. That said, he's also seen a paltry 15 targets in 6 games. I'm unsure of how that can qualify as getting a player involved.

Yep. Seems to me we were only involving Kyle Fuller today.

 

[Truth]

Yep. Seems to me we were only involving Kyle Fuller today.

Right? How many targets did we have into Fuller's area? He was definitely on today.

 

[balfan23]

The Good: Special Teams

The OK: The defense ...I'm only giving them OK because the offense they faced was one dimensional, but given their injuries and how the shit offense was putting them in bad spots - what they did was at least respectable. Everyone will look at Howard's day and say our run D sucks, but they don't know the whole story.

The Bad:
1) Our receiving corps:

a) Perriman - Yes, he got drilled and may not have held the ball in the end, but that was not only a drop, but a total loss of control and it was devastating, turning what should have been a Ravens scoring drive into a Bears TD. And had he caught the ball, got drilled and then lost it, I think it would have drawn a flag. He may be out for sometime - but I also think we have seen the last of him. How can Flacco even justify targeting him?

b) Wallace - He was virtually invisible. Without Maclin, we needed him to step up. He did anything but.

c) Maxx - one catch, critical turnover, then doghouse. Another guy it is easy to start asking yourself why you still try to have faith.

2) Offensive playcalling - Marty is standing over there with his spectacles sitting on the end of his nose, looking like somebody's gramps. Fitting, since he's running an offense that looks like somebody's gramps came up with the playbook. You can tell me how many times we threw the ball - but how many times did we throw when we didn't absolutely have to? That looked like play calling in a preseason game (don't want to give away any secrets). So that's the thing ... there aren't any secrets to give away. There's nothing behind the curtain.

Sure - we've had more devastating losses in bigger games. Sure we've had more jaw-dropping terrible performances (like London, for example). But this was the most frustrating and painful game I've watched in a very long time. I really am mad at myself for stressing myself out over this game. I just can't see how the 2017 version of the Ravens is worth doing that to myself and I need to promise myself not to do it again.

 

[FloeJacco]

Harbaugh isn't the problem. Good luck finding a better head coach off the streets, especially one willing to take on Flacco as his QB. The defense is more than fine. Marty is pretty bad and should go, but it's clear the real problem is the offensive players.

We're stuck with Flacco for at least another year, but there isn't even one offensive position group that's decent. That's why we suck. Stanley, Yanda, Jensen, Maclin, maybe Boyle and Howard (he's 30 though) are really the only guys I'd want playing a lot going forward.

 

[rossihunter2]

We're stuck with Flacco for at least another year, but there isn't even one offensive position group that's decent. That's why we suck. Stanley, Yanda, Jensen, Maclin, maybe Boyle and Howard (he's 30 though) are really the only guys I'd want playing a lot going forward.

yanda's also 30+

 

[Tru11]

Keapernick with Roman could save the season

 

[balfan23]

I agree I’d like to see Moore play more. But really? One could argue Perriman hasn’t been given an opportunity to succeed either. I don’t care if he drops a freaking pass. Keep throwing it to him. What the hell makes all you people freak out on him now but not last game. One bad play and the world is over.

He had drops earlier this year. When he's not dropping the ball, he's not getting targeted - which we are left to assume means he's not getting open. People have been very frustrated with his total lack of production up to this point. But I swear to God, when I saw that ball coming to him, all I could think is - please, please don't drop this. Which we only wish he would have done, rather than mishandling it and trying to recover and flip the ball in the air to the other team.

Dude - I've been defending that guy for what seems like forever now. There has to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and that was it.

 

[Christian Schwarz]

I like how you openly root against our own players. You’d think you’d want them to succeed, being a ravens “fan”. Quit with the negativity. Maybe hope he can turn it around instead of laughing and calling him a bust.

We rooted and rooted and showed up to training camp and continued to root for Perriman and Maxx Williams and others yet what do they do?

They obviously aren't doing anything right after being drafted in a position to warrant them a starting job, but yet they get burried on the depth chart, injury after injury after injury causes them to miss time and crucial developmental progress with Flacco. And even in their most 'healthy' times they get burried on the depth chart by guys you would think they could/should clearly surpass. I'd like to think Breshad Perriman had more potential going into yr 3 than the aging #2 WRs in Mike Wallace and Jeremy Maclin...but given Perriman's history and even this offseason continuing to be an injury risk...he hasn't given HIMSElF the opportunity to succeed.

Here he is week 6 with Jeremy Maclin out given n opportunity to do something and in a crucial moment with the game on the line he bobbles a pass any solid receiver would catch, causing an int, and further nailing in his injury prone moniker.

We all loved the Perriman draft pick, you should be able to refine those type of freakish combine numbers into production....but there's no question that Breshad Perriman is clearly one of those Tony Romo type players not cut out for the NFL

 

[balfan23]

The thing for me is that the Ravens have just never shown they could properly develop them. Both of them were fairly raw prospects with massive upside. They needed a lot of polish and work to get to their potential. The Ravens just haven't shown they can bring that out.

... and THAT is unbelievable to me. We're talking about 20 years of football. How is it that we can't correct that? If we have guys that can't develop receivers - are there no creative minds in the league that we can hire?

 

[FloeJacco]

yanda's also 30+

True, but I do expect him to hold up longer than most even when it's inevitably not at that elite level

 

[ravenslord]

We rooted and rooted and showed up to training camp and continued to root for Perriman and Maxx Williams and others yet what do they do?

They obviously aren't doing anything right after being drafted in a position to warrant them a starting job, but yet they get burried on the depth chart, injury after injury after injury causes them to miss time and crucial developmental progress with Flacco. And even in their most 'healthy' times they get burried on the depth chart by guys you would think they could/should clearly surpass. I'd like to think Breshad Perriman had more potential going into yr 3 than the aging #2 WRs in Mike Wallace and Jeremy Maclin...but given Perriman's history and even this offseason continuing to be an injury risk...he hasn't given HIMSElF the opportunity to succeed.

Here he is week 6 with Jeremy Maclin out given n opportunity to do something and in a crucial moment with the game on the line he bobbles a pass any solid receiver would catch, causing an int, and further nailing in his injury prone moniker.

We all loved the Perriman draft pick, you should be able to refine those type of freakish combine numbers into production....but there's no question that Breshad Perriman is clearly one of those Tony Romo type players not cut out for the NFL

I have to say that when Perriman dropped that ball and threw it up for the Bears I thought of the Mark Clayton drop when we were ready to score on the Patriots during a regular season game to win it.

I said then and there that Clayton would never make it. This is Perriman's Clayton moment.

 

[DeVito52]

He had drops earlier this year. When he's not dropping the ball, he's not getting targeted - which we are left to assume means he's not getting open. People have been very frustrated with his total lack of production up to this point. But I swear to God, when I saw that ball coming to him, all I could think is - please, please don't drop this. Which we only wish he would have done, rather than mishandling it and trying to recover and flip the ball in the air to the other team.

Dude - I've been defending that guy for what seems like forever now. There has to be the straw that breaks the camel's back and that was it.

Even really good receivers have problems with drops. The difference is they keep getting targets. He does get open

 

[rossihunter2]

... and THAT is unbelievable to me. We're talking about 20 years of football. How is it that we can't correct that? If we have guys that can't develop receivers - are there no creative minds in the league that we can hire?

it's just one of those things much like screen passes that just wearing a ravens jersey means no matter what you bring to the job it wont work anymore - you come to baltimore to be creative and instantly you forget what a wr looks like and forget how to set up a screen