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2018 Free Agency

I like the idea of Montcrief here. He's just 24 , he can get deep and he does a nice job of fighting for and of winning 50/50 balls.
Makes nice adjustments on errant or underthrown balls. Perfect complimentary piece for Joe with upside...also a look to guy on third down.
 
Edgar said:
I like the idea of Montcrief here. He's just 24 , he can get deep and he does a nice job of fighting for and of winning 50/50 balls.
Makes nice adjustments on errant or underthrown balls. Perfect complimentary piece for Joe with upside...also a look to guy on third down.
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What I like about him is his adjustments to the football but also his subtlety of route running - everybody can see the flashy stuff like the contested catches and the ability to make big plays down the field but he sets up defenders well especially when he plays out of the slot

We suffer so much in the redzone for not being able to throw fades (or other short drop timing routes) to big physical receivers
 
Dom McRaven said:
I wouldn't mind this signing at all (if it happens). I don't know where Rap is getting this Moncrief-Jeffery comparison, but this could be a start (not the comparison, the signing that is). A small one, but a decent one nonetheless


Right?!?! Especially as we get closer to the start of free agency, it's fun to read all of the potential transactions that could happen in the first couple of days.


Again, how can we really compete with teams like the Niners who have plenty of cap space and a promising young QB at the helm?
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By focusing on the one player. And making the necessary cap cuts. SF wants to strengthen its oline to. Probably will give Norwell $65mil. Thing is Harball needs to be muzzled. He falls in love with try hards that should be cut but has his preference of attitude. And these players are restructured and extended when should be cut. All these nickels and dimes add up for Arringtons and Webb’s and prevents the team from finding an impact player.

I wasn’t for bringing back Urban unless it is a vet minimum contract. I pull for him to. But injuries at some point are gonna drain his athleticism. And to be honest my opinion now is this massive potential bs is overheated. He dominated non nfl caliber players in preseason. But when nfl talent he fights to stalemates for most part. And believe me I want to buy into his hype. But all this nickel and dime bs is hurting the team. Ravens are an 8-8 team cuz of the DeCosta Harball attitude era. Miss out on Robinson??!! No problem, there’s receivers out there that can “help this team” Content to find an “upgrade” as opppsed to difference makers. In this case it likely refers to 31-32 yr old cap cuts with diminishing skills.

And management hopes he has something in the tank for a good year maybe 2. Rinse repeat need receivers again. Weddle sums up this team. A good year then decline. That was a short sighted signing. Selling out to try and get to the playoffs. Now he is eating cap space and could be a liability. Wouldn’t sell out for an opportunity at consecutive Super Bowls. But would sell out to make the playoffs. As in cheaper patch work players with diminishing skills knowing next yr if he declines he is gonna be a salary cap drain. All the cap drains need to go and that includes Weddle. But Harball loves his obey everything coach says and set an example attitude. What is it Harball says?? A players mental state is 3 times more important than his talent!! lol what a goober.

And this isn’t about Robinson. Cuz I would be as happy with Brice Butler and Marqise Lee. Then drafting DJ Moore or Ridley. Then maybe One of Chark Callaway or Cain in rounds2-4. Or even Jmon Moore in round2-4. This is about management and Bisciotti will sell out to get Harball to the playoffs. To argue and defend its competence with fans and have it’s counter for fans wanting Harball and Joe waxed. As In how it allows young building blocks to walk for multiple patch work players. The way it let Osemele walk to patch up 3 holes with cheap older players. So it can get into the playoffs and pretend to be relevant.
 
get us some wrs that can get open and catch, consistent oline( doesnt have to be dominant) and some athletic linebakers that can cover and we should be good
 
Mettenberger is an idea for backup QB. Was cut cuz of politics on 2 occasions. One being Lewan and media saying he threw a better looking more accurate ball than Mariota. Which was considered distractions and undermining the No.2 overall pick. Will come cheap and is at least as good as McCarron who will get a nice contract this offseason to start or back up. Mettenberger should come pretty cheap.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Mettenberger is an idea for backup QB. Was cut cuz of politics on 2 occasions. One being Lewan and media saying he threw a better looking more accurate ball than Mariota. Which was considered distractions and undermining the No.2 overall pick. Will come cheap and is at least as good as McCarron who will get a nice contract this offseason to start or back up. Mettenberger should come pretty cheap.
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nope - i dont believe youve actually watched mettenberger play if youre saying this - he sucks so bad... like so bad
 
rossihunter2 said:
nope - i dont believe youve actually watched mettenberger play if youre saying this - he sucks so bad... like so bad
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Really?? Teammates and media that watched him in person beg to differ. His numbers as a rookie weren’t so bad on a terrible team in a terrible system with a terrible coach. If his play was terrible it wouldn’t surprise me. I assure you I watched far more of Mettenberger than you have. I know exactly the politics behind him being cut. Google it yourself!! Taylor Lewan AND the media was raving about his arm talent. With Lewan adding to the local media. That Zack has earned the right to compete for the job. And it shouldn’t be handed to Mariota cuz of the investment in him. A prominent local sportswriter that watched the summer ota’s. Quoted I wouldn’t want to be the coach that has to make the decision between the QB with more arm talent and accuracy and the No.2 overall pick. So it was more than his friends on the oline Taylor Lewan and Ben Jones saying it. The media was as well. So it was deemed a distraction and he was cut. With justifications of his minor injury and immature behavior that being taking selfies. But he is smart and has charisma and respect of his players. You can’t deny his arm talent and his teammates and the media vouching for his superior arm talent. Not to mention with enough respect for him to stand up for him.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Really?? Teammates and media that watched him in person beg to differ. His numbers as a rookie weren’t so bad on a terrible team in a terrible system with a terrible coach. If his play was terrible it wouldn’t surprise me. I assure you I watched far more of Mettenberger than you have. I know exactly the politics behind him being cut. Google it yourself!! Taylor Lewan AND the media was raving about his arm talent. With Lewan adding to the local media. That Zack has earned the right to compete for the job. And it shouldn’t be handed to Mariota cuz of the investment in him. A prominent local sportswriter that watched the summer ota’s. Quoted I wouldn’t want to be the coach that has to make the decision between the QB with more arm talent and accuracy and the No.2 overall pick. So it was more than his friends on the oline Taylor Lewan and Ben Jones saying it. The media was as well. So it was deemed a distraction and he was cut. With justifications of his minor injury and immature behavior that being taking selfies. But he is smart and has charisma and respect of his players. You can’t deny his arm talent and his teammates and the media vouching for his superior arm talent. Not to mention with enough respect for him to stand up for him.
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mettenberger had arm talent but nothing else - he had no touch, no vision, no footwork, no pocket presence
and he wasnt cut when mariota turned up - he was cut the next year after covering mariota for 4 games when mariota was injured and mettenberger was shocking

and never trust beat writers watching offseason activities - if the beat writers were right then omar brown would be ed reed, breshad perriman would be julio jones and josh woodrum would be better than ryan mallet

if the titans cut him because they were worried there would be competition and they didnt want competition then why did the steelers cut him - surely someone who is apparently as good as mariota should be able to beat out landry jones and josh dobbs to be a backup - but he didnt

if you really think what you saw on mettenberger's film says he's a good qb then i dont know what to say to be honest because there's literally nothing on film outside of his arm strength that i like
 
rossihunter2 said:
mettenberger had arm talent but nothing else - he had no touch, no vision, no footwork, no pocket presence
and he wasnt cut when mariota turned up - he was cut the next year after covering mariota for 4 games when mariota was injured and mettenberger was shocking

and never trust beat writers watching offseason activities - if the beat writers were right then omar brown would be ed reed, breshad perriman would be julio jones and josh woodrum would be better than ryan mallet

if the titans cut him because they were worried there would be competition and they didnt want competition then why did the steelers cut him - surely someone who is apparently as good as mariota should be able to beat out landry jones and josh dobbs to be a backup - but he didnt

if you really think what you saw on mettenberger's film says he's a good qb then i dont know what to say to be honest because there's literally nothing on film outside of his arm strength that i like
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No touch no vision?? Dude I dunno what u r looking at. Touch is part of arm talent. And writers with access to practices are far more qualified than u or I will ever be to make that judgment. Anybody employed by sports will tell you that u have to see a QB throw in person. Which I’ll bet the mortgage u never saw him throw in person. I went to an LSU game while spending a week in New Orleans. One of my top3 fav colleges. I never saw him up close but I can tell u he has anticipation and throws longer in tight windows with confidence. BTW google what LSU WRs have to say about catching from him compared to NFL QBs. I didn’t say I like LSU so I want Zack to make it. He backs it up. He’s brash with the selfies and and rubs starter qb and coaches the wrong way. He makes it clear if he gets into games if starter is hurt or benched that he doesn’t intend to go back to the bench.Rubs coaches the wrong way.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
No touch no vision?? Dude I dunno what u r looking at. Touch is part of arm talent. And writers with access to practices are far more qualified than u or I will ever be to make that judgment. Anybody employed by sports will tell you that u have to see a QB throw in person. Which I’ll bet the mortgage u never saw him throw in person. I went to an LSU game while spending a week in New Orleans. One of my top3 fav colleges. I never saw him up close but I can tell u he has anticipation and throws longer in tight windows with confidence. BTW google what LSU WRs have to say about catching from him compared to NFL QBs. I didn’t say I like LSU so I want Zack to make it. He backs it up. He’s brash with the selfies and and rubs starter qb and coaches the wrong way. He makes it clear if he gets into games if starter is hurt or benched that he doesn’t intend to go back to the bench.Rubs coaches the wrong way.
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coaches dont give a shit - if he can play better and help a team win then he'll play - look at cam newton, look at jameis winston
i dont know what you guys saw live to make you think this way because it has not manifested itself in the league

if he had these things you said he did then he has quickly forgotten them because its not my imagination that he sucked in his 0-10 career as a starter in the nfl
 
Comparison between Moncrief and Moore in terms of combine performance:
DJ Moore
40 - 4.42
15 reps
39.5 vertical
132 inches- broad jump
6.93 three done


Donte Moncrief
40- 4.40
13 reps
39.5 vertical
132 inches- broad jump
7.02 three cone
Moncrief is two inches taller than Moore and outweighs him by 11 lbs.
 
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rossihunter2 said:
coaches dont give a shit - if he can play better and help a team win then he'll play - look at cam newton, look at jameis winston
i dont know what you guys saw live to make you think this way because it has not manifested itself in the league

if he had these things you said he did then he has quickly forgotten them because its not my imagination that he sucked in his 0-10 career as a starter in the nfl
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Wins is a team effort. He did his part as a rookie QB. Brady threw for 500 yards 4TDs and no interceptions in the super bowl. Are you really gonna critique him over the loss?? If pulled a joe Flacco and threw 2 ints and 150 yards yet wins would u point out he was 9-1 as a starter?? You don’t think politics plays any role around the league?? If it weren’t for Trent Green getting hurt you may not know who Kurt Warner is. If Bledsoe didn’t get hurt and led that team with a tough defense to a championship you may not know who Tom Brady is. If one patriot scout didn’t appreciate Tom Brady he may have never been drafted cuz of politics. Michigan wanted one of the better athletes to win the job. And thought one of their 5 star recruits eventually would. His college didn’t want him to start. Happened to be the hot hand for a while and a scout picked up on it. He got lucky. Cuz he coulda went unnoticed.

Winston’s problem is a predictable offense. 2 reads and force the ball in. A basic offense and he doesn’t run a 4.5 to bail him out if the receiver isn’t open. As for Zack 7 of those losses came under a coach being fired. We have no idea what was going on behind the scenes. You can only judge the player who wasn’t bad for a rookie in that situation. There was even a couple games shoulda won because of his performance.
 
Edgar said:
Comparison between Moncrief and Moore in terms of combine performance:
DJ Moore
40 - 4.42
15 reps
39.5 vertical
132 inches- broad jump
6.93 three done


Donte Moncrief
40- 4.40
13 reps
39.5 vertical
132 inches- broad jump
7.02 three cone
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Moncrief is scouted to not play up to his 40 time. And never really did much with luck as his QB. He is ok but wouldn’t want him as the young potential breakout candidate
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Moncrief is scouted to not play up to his 40 time. And never really did much with luck as his QB. He is ok but wouldn’t want him as the young potential breakout candidate
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2014 he had a decent rookie season. In 2015 with Luck and hasselbeck he had a very solid season.
2016 Luck and Hilton were a match made in heaven and Dorsett and Moncrief got the short end of the stick, but he still had 7 touchdowns. This year he only played 12 games, and played well when he was targeted. But the Colts were flat out terrible. He’s a solid red zone target and he can take the top off a defense as well. He’s got all the tools to be a #1. Out of all your “breakout potentials players” he should be at the top of the list.
 
Hell, we needed to resign Urban even if for nothing more than to play on special teams. If we want we can make sure he stays healthy by only playing him on the field goal block squad lol. He’s easily the best in the league.

But of course I want him on defense because he instantly upgrades our run defense as well as pass rush. And put him in with Henry and Suggs and holy shit we might bat every single one of the opponents passes lol.
 
Sledge Hammer said:
Wins is a team effort. He did his part as a rookie QB. Brady threw for 500 yards 4TDs and no interceptions in the super bowl. Are you really gonna critique him over the loss?? If pulled a joe Flacco and threw 2 ints and 150 yards yet wins would u point out he was 9-1 as a starter?? You don’t think politics plays any role around the league?? If it weren’t for Trent Green getting hurt you may not know who Kurt Warner is. If Bledsoe didn’t get hurt and led that team with a tough defense to a championship you may not know who Tom Brady is. If one patriot scout didn’t appreciate Tom Brady he may have never been drafted cuz of politics. Michigan wanted one of the better athletes to win the job. And thought one of their 5 star recruits eventually would. His college didn’t want him to start. Happened to be the hot hand for a while and a scout picked up on it. He got lucky. Cuz he coulda went unnoticed.

Winston’s problem is a predictable offense. 2 reads and force the ball in. A basic offense and he doesn’t run a 4.5 to bail him out if the receiver isn’t open. As for Zack 7 of those losses came under a coach being fired. We have no idea what was going on behind the scenes. You can only judge the player who wasn’t bad for a rookie in that situation. There was even a couple games shoulda won because of his performance.
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show me tape or examples of mettenberger being a good qb and im happy to relinquish this spot on the hill - i dont mean 1 good throw or 1 good read - i mean consistent examples of both in game
 
sherman if fav cb along with ramsey.. id hate for sherman to go to the patriots. Like all the times i defended him and shyt will just all go away and ill be on the other side the stick lol..
 
Update on Landry from a Dolphins reporter:
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article203916359.html

Most interesting note is that Landry wants $14M while an offer came in around $10M per year. Curious what that does to the situation. Would Landry be content on the tag or would he rather take less than he thinks he's worth on a long-term deal? If it's the latter, it could increase the chances of him staying in Miami long-term as they've been reported to have offered him more than that already.

But, on the other hand, is that relationship broken? Landry and the Dolphins are pretty much having a dick measuring contest right now, and one of them is going to have to make a decision within the next week. Landry looks bad right now by threatening to sign the tender "imminently" which of course hasn't happened yet. Seems the Dolphins called his bluff.
 
I know Robinson is going to cost us some, but if he's cheaper then Landry, even by a penny then I would still prefer him. I wouldn't mind Landry at all but he would have the utmost leverage against us too. He's honestly in a very good position right now and should get a very high salary for this season.

Point is, our pockets are going to get thinner addressing the WR position regardless. We have the defense set and the OL should improve with the return of Yanda/Lewis and Stanley going into his third year. WR is the last piece of the puzzle that we are going to have to address.
 
Simba said:
Update on Landry from a Dolphins reporter:
http://www.miamiherald.com/sports/nfl/miami-dolphins/article203916359.html

Most interesting note is that Landry wants $14M while an offer came in around $10M per year. Curious what that does to the situation. Would Landry be content on the tag or would he rather take less than he thinks he's worth on a long-term deal? If it's the latter, it could increase the chances of him staying in Miami long-term as they've been reported to have offered him more than that already.

But, on the other hand, is that relationship broken? Landry and the Dolphins are pretty much having a dick measuring contest right now, and one of them is going to have to make a decision within the next week. Landry looks bad right now by threatening to sign the tender "imminently" which of course hasn't happened yet. Seems the Dolphins called his bluff.
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Interesting article, I would bet anything that its us that offered the 10 million
 
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