TheCity5
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I like our situation much better. We're going to have to create cap anyways in order to improve this WR group regardless if Landry is here or not. In their case, they're screwed if he hits them with a 16M cap hit.
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2018 Free Agency
- Thread starter purplepittabread88
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I like our situation much better. We're going to have to create cap anyways in order to improve this WR group regardless if Landry is here or not. In their case, they're screwed if he hits them with a 16M cap hit.
DeVito52
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Except they wouldn’t get nothing. They’d likely get an extra 3rd round pick next year. Which is likely all teams would offer for him now anyway.
The Cassel situation was completely different. That’s a QB. Even though he turned out to be terrible, there seemed to be tons of upside. Teams were willing to trade a lot for a QB. The Patriots were able to get the 34th overall pick for Cassel. There’s no way in hell anyone was going to offer that much for Landry, it’s just not worth it. There’s a reason this rarely happens. Because if it isn’t a QB or someone who is going to bring in more than a 3rd round pick, it’s kind of pointless. And for the Dolphins, it was freaking stupid considering how little cap space they have. Bunch of freaking morons running that team.
TheCity5
MVP
Yes, they have to clear up space for sure but once he's gone it won't matter any more. I think they're well prepared for this. I don't know how they're going to do it but I anticipate them making space because they're forced to. I don't think that's a scenario worth worrying too much about. The fine for not being under the cap is a loss of draft pick or cap penalties. Even teams are poorly managed as the Browns manage to avoid this scenario. It's not a big deal to me. I think they'll work something out in that aspect.
They could literally make three moves that could cut $21M off their cap and once 4:00PM hits, Landry is off the books then there's nothing to worry about.
TheCity5
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New England is a bold team but I don't know anyone who is willing to pay 14.95M to a back up QB outside of them. It's a QB but who on earth would pay that much to a back up when you have Brady there? I don't think the Patriots wanted to keep him at all but they wanted the compensation for letting him walk. I feel like it compares to Landry's.
It's not totally stupid for Miami, they're getting a pick for a player who destined to leave. Even if it's for a 6th round pick at least they get something in return.
DeVito52
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But if they can’t trade Jarvis, they will have a huge problem. They can not cut enough players to have Landry and Quinn’s contracts while also being able to do absolutely anything else in FA this year and have enough for their draft picks etc. They might be forced to give Landry away for next to nothing lol
DeVito52
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Dude...did you even read my post? What you just said makes absolutely zero sense when referring to my post.
There's belief that The Dolphins are interested in drafting a quarterback in the first round. It seems to me like they wanted to take advantage of a weak free agency at the wide receiver postion and decided to tag Jarvis Landry with the belief that maybe a wide receiver needy team like The Bears or The Ravens would be willing to give up a second or third round pick . This would give them more draft picks to work with if they decided to trade up in the first round for a quarterback but that had to back fire once Allen Robinson and Sammy Watkins didn't get tagged. Of course Jarvis Landry salary demands doesn't make things any better but I think Robinson and Watkins potentially being free agents was more of a bigger blow to The Dolphins.
id take the cheapest one out of the 3!
TheCity5
MVP
Yeah I think they will have to trade him for low compensation as well. They’re in deep cap trouble and they’re really going to be under more pressure each day to make a trade.
TheCity5
MVP
I don’t see how it makes zero sense. You could argue it’s a different scenario but the premise is nearly identical. Two players tagged, who are not in the teams future that both teams would rather have compensation for then to let them walk for nothing who are not even worth the cap they’re tagged for. Miami’s intent of tagging Landry is getting compensation, same with NE and Cassel.
You said the Cassell situation is completely different, yet the premise of it is not. That’s my point.
DeVito52
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They were two different situations.
first of all, you keep saying the teams didn't want to let their players "walk for nothing". You do realize the NFL has compensatory picks right? There is a reason teams are okay to let their free agents leave. Because if its a big free agent who signs a big contract, they will be compensated with a draft pick the following season. That's why teams don't tag and trade their players every year, because most of the time its stupid and pointless.
Cassel was tagged because the Patriots knew they could get more for him by trading him than they would get from receiving a compensatory pick. Since Cassel was quarterback who played well the season prior, the Patriots were able to get a very early 2nd round pick for him. If they would've let him walk, they likely would've received a 3rd round comp pick the next season instead. But since QBs are always in high demand, they were able to get more for him.
With Landry it is different. If the Dolphins would've let Landry walk, next season they very likely would've received a 3rd round compensatory pick for him. Instead, the Dolphins decided to tag and trade him. This is different from the Cassel situation because very few teams, if any, are willing to give up a high draft pick for a WR who they are going to have to immediately pay top dollar for. A WR does not carry a franchise like a QB does. This is why it was stupid that the Dolphins tagged Landry with seemingly only intentions to trade him. They were never going to get more than a 3rd round pick for him. The only reason the Dolphins had any reason to tag and trade Landry is because they didn't want to wait a year to receive their comp pick. But that has proved to be a costly mistake because they are having trouble trading him and they have absolutely no cap to keep him.
Now I assume you struggled to comprehend my post because you were unaware that teams receive compensatory picks, or you wouldn't have said "It's not totally stupid for Miami, they're getting a pick for a player who destined to leave. Even if it's for a 6th round pick at least they get something in return".
Now you probably see why it would be an awful outcome for Miami if they were only to receive a 6th round pick for him. And why it was a stupid idea to tag him with no cap space.
nothing is more painful than seeing Jefferson take up 10 mil in cap space this year. If you watch the second Steelers ravens, I’ve never seen a player get exposed in every way (besides rashad Melvin be pats) bell tricked him for a td, juked him for a td, and he got mossed by a fucking full back for nix’s only careeer td
Rashaan* but yeah I agree. Although, hopefully Wink will put him closer to the LOS and allow him to do what he does best. Last year he was a huuuge disappointment in my eyes.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Ugh I know, and to throw salt in the wound someone here posted that Arizona is gonna let Matthieu walk, sigh... haven't seen an official source but yeah...
Jefferson has to be better than what he showed last year though, pees is a safety killer. Ed Reed and Eric weddle are the only safeties who looked even slightly competent in his system, one is the GOAT safety and the other is one of the top 5 of his generation, if that's what yoa need at safety to not look like a moron then your scheme may be the problem. Darian Stewart went on to be one of the best safeties in the NFL, Kendrick Lewis had a solid career before coming here; Jefferson was one of the best in the league in arizona, yet they all looked like absolutel liabilities in pees system.
He was liability for the cards also. I did not like that pick up of jefferson at all
Jeffersom and stewart one of the best in lg? Lol they were never one of the best in lg
Stewart was incredible in 15, but had wade and that entire defense so
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Stewart was a game changer for Denver, routinely made big plays, sure it was the most loaded D with the best DC in the league, but the ravens had a shitload of talent in 2013 too, and th difference wade Phillips made speaks to how bad pees is for safeties
Yep. Dolphins screwed themselves here and probably the only way the can redeem themselves is to lock him up long-term, but I still think that's a stretch. Trade compensation took a major hit with him officially signing. If they're serious about moving up for a QB though, maybe they were willing to take a hit on the compensation to get a pick for this year they can use in a trade.
i totally agree! He played well for phillips but i dnt think neither were ever a top S. speaking of wade phillips, how you think he gonna do over there with peters and talib now lol?