JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
You're right. And I honestly wasn't big on the wink promotion because idk what we're getting. If we could've landed a pagano or Phillips I'd be 100% certain in an improvement
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2018 Free Agency
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Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Wink can’t run Pees system. He couldn’t remotely run Pees complex system and even he realizes that himself. And he said He is gonna be more aggressive. He is gonna have to be more traditional and put players in position and allow them to do what he is most natural at. Timmy is gonna be rushing the QB. Bowser will be blitzing and covering. More blitzing means the cornerbacks are gonna be on an island more often. Humph is gonna get his chance to show he can cover with little to no help. The rushers are gonna have to get to the QB. Jefferson will get his shot at covering TE’s and running backs.
These players are gonna make plays or get beat and fail to make plays. Sink or swim it won’t be long after the draft. These players are gonna get the chance to show he was misused and didn’t get opportunity cuz of scheme complexity. Or get beat and show Pees made a bunch of average and older player look better than their skills. Don’t worry the defense is gonna get their chance. Personally I don’t think these players are all that talented outside of maybe Timmy Williams. And Pagano didn’t do so hot without hall of fame caliber players on defense. Pees is very respected around the league not by accident. Will have to watch how titans defense performs. As well as ravens with all these proposed studs.
On side note I’m not interested in Pernell. He is older now and didn’t look as good without Ngata Lewis Suggs Reed Pollard and Dumervil. Wasting money on all these patchwork players every year is preventing the team from having money to sign any real difference makers this team really needs like Houston or Quinn. If one should come available. Or even an offensive impact difference maker like Norwell and a receiver
um why not? what evidence is there that wink cant run pees complex system? he must have had to understand it enough to train CJ and all the other linebackers to be able to run it (and in CJ's case to actually call the defence)
im not saying i want him to run a clone of pees system but to say he couldnt run it (or elements of it) seems counterintuitive...
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
And there is nothing I'm more excited about for this season. Some will fail some will stand tall. Personally I think Tim Williams, tony Jefferson, Marlon Humphrey, matt judon, and willie henry are gonna stand tall. I'm iffy on bowser but I feel more good than bad about him. Kaufusi and correa are complete no-go's for me. And I actually think if carl Davis stays healthy he might burst onto the scene a little
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
I say Bowser and Humph fall flat. Especially Humph if he is asked to do more dangerous assignments the better cornerbacks do. Pees system dropped everybody into coverage and protected cornerbacks. It explains Carr having one of best seasons in several years after getting cooked and considered finished. Jefferson is gonna get cooked if he performs anywhere far from the line of scrimmage. Judon is better blitzing when disguised. When he rushes consistently he gets handled consistently. Timmy has rush skills. His upper bod has to get stronger. If he is to be an impact player. I was waiting to see his bench numbers at the combine and didn’t believe he would even do that event. And he didn’t to no surprise!! Timmy has skills Judon has some value. Outside of that not much young skills to write home about. This is gonna be a fun topic in September October.
Good article on Spotrac.com regarding dead cap.
http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/nfl-dead-cap-101-718/
http://www.spotrac.com/research/nfl/nfl-dead-cap-101-718/
better watch out! You know they dont play about hump in here
Dom McRaven
Hall of Famer
Dez, to me, seems to be a "me" guy, but I think under the right situation and coach, he can have a different mentality in favor of the team. Now to your point, this is where I wonder if Dez and Carr were close. We could use Carr as a recruitment tool lol (that is, if we do the right thing and re-sign him).
Even if he couldn't, who cares? Besides, I want Wink to run a system that's comfortable for him and what best fits the players he has.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Nobody plays about any round1 pick in here!! lol Every one is gonna be an impact player. I didn’t post in 2015 from about a couple weeks b4 draft til fall. During draft season Perriman was nobody’s fav from what I remembered anyways. Then when I posted again all you read was how awesome he was gonna. And his raw skills were off the charts!! lol I thought I would return to everybody angry about the pick.lol I was like wtf nobody wanted that dude.
Side note I like Willie Henry’s potential to. He needs to patent a couple moves but he has all the size power and explosion of the top interior penetrators around the league like Cox and Short. This was his first year playing. So if he spends his offseason sharpening his craft with some good coaches. He could be pro bowl caliber.
If Robbie Quinn becomes available we should definitely pursue him. Or even Justin Houston. Would take any one of those dudes. Especially Quinn. Most gifted edge rusher In my opinion. If he wasn’t suspended his complete junior year for his schools practices. I believe he woulda surpassed Von Miller on draft boards. All the speed and edge bending of Miller but in a 6’4 265 lb bod. B4 his injuries he was a game wrecker on the level of JJ Watt. Late last year he was completely healthy again and was stealing the show again. And at times outshined Donald. He Timmy and Henry could really breathe fire down the necks of QBs again
I don't think Dean Pees was a bad defensive coordinator at all and I honestly thought he was a pretty smart guy. I just think at times he didn't put his players in the best situation to succeed. I don't think he maximize the talent nearly as much as he could. I don't think he took nearly enough advantage of the depth The Ravens had at defensive line and outside linebacker to give guys like Terrell Suggs and Brandon Williams a breather in order to keep them fresh. Let's keep in mind that Dean Pees himself had to simplify his defensive scheme in order for the defense to play faster so he didn't always have it right and it speaks to how complex his defense is or can be. His blitzing concepts or the way he dial up blitz plays were at times predictable and maybe more predictable than not. It didn't seem like at times it was hard for a opposing offense to figure out.
ZonaRaven
Practice Squad
This might seem a bit out there, but what about trading a second (and maybe a late rounder) for a guy like Diggs who still has a year left on his deal and trying to lock him up long term. On one hand, I understand he doesn't have any incentive to sign a long term deal (a trade would be contingent on him signing long term), and I also understand his injury history. I don't even think that the Vikings would entertain it although a 5th rounder turning into a second may be enticing from a return standpoint, but I am a big fan of what the Patriots do in terms of trading draft picks for proven commodities whose upside equals or exceeds the potential upside of a corresponding draft pick. I think that gets overlooked and given our history with, say second rounders lol, why not? Diggs isn't the guy this would ever happen with I don't think, but I do like the idea.
edit: Also, alcohol, but the question still remains an interesting one.
edit: Also, alcohol, but the question still remains an interesting one.
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Honestly I don't think we really know what Wink can or cannot run. He's been apart of Dean Pees defensive system for over 4 years so he should know the system pretty well. Obviously it's expected that The Ravens be more aggressive on defense under Wink but the guy hasn't called plays as a defensive coordinator since 2010. He's had plenty of time to reflect and improve since then.
ive been thinking about wr and free agency - there's absolutely no way the ravens dont go after multiple free agent wrs this offseason...
wallace and camp are free agents and if maclin is cut (as expected) that leaves our current wr corps as: Breshad Perriman, Chris Moore, Quincy Adeboyejo, Tim White and Devier Posey (some rando futures contract guy)
the ravens cant afford to wait on the draft to fix the position because you can never tell whether there'll be a run or whether you'll be in position to take a guy at your position of need...
so we have to get not just 1 but multiple receiving options through free agency - and given our cap space it really does make me think that we wont be going after the big name free agents but will be looking to build the corps from the bottom up so that if a guy falls to our spot in the draft then they become the cherry
we need to add at least 4 receivers to our under contract receiving roster (probably more) who will be active competitors for the roster - now that could be through re-signings like camp or wallace or it could be through free agents or draft picks but 4 really feels like the minimum
now that could be bringing camp back, grabbing a couple of 3rd receivers in free agency and getting a day 1 or day 2 draft pick in but i think that has to be the bare minimum at this point
i was mostly calm about this situation but i really looked hard at who we have under contract and chris moore is the only guy who im comfortable right now with being on our roster to start 2018... (maybe breshad pulls an agholor and puts it together but im not relying or expecting or even hoping for it)
wallace and camp are free agents and if maclin is cut (as expected) that leaves our current wr corps as: Breshad Perriman, Chris Moore, Quincy Adeboyejo, Tim White and Devier Posey (some rando futures contract guy)
the ravens cant afford to wait on the draft to fix the position because you can never tell whether there'll be a run or whether you'll be in position to take a guy at your position of need...
so we have to get not just 1 but multiple receiving options through free agency - and given our cap space it really does make me think that we wont be going after the big name free agents but will be looking to build the corps from the bottom up so that if a guy falls to our spot in the draft then they become the cherry
we need to add at least 4 receivers to our under contract receiving roster (probably more) who will be active competitors for the roster - now that could be through re-signings like camp or wallace or it could be through free agents or draft picks but 4 really feels like the minimum
now that could be bringing camp back, grabbing a couple of 3rd receivers in free agency and getting a day 1 or day 2 draft pick in but i think that has to be the bare minimum at this point
i was mostly calm about this situation but i really looked hard at who we have under contract and chris moore is the only guy who im comfortable right now with being on our roster to start 2018... (maybe breshad pulls an agholor and puts it together but im not relying or expecting or even hoping for it)
if we can get quinn or huston our defense will improve on the spot lol. I think jj watt and donald are already top 5 all time at their positions.
JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
The ravens and Vikings don't have a GOAT caliber qb playing for dimes on the dollar because his wife makes more money than he ever could. Neither team could operate the way the patriots do with the draft and FA lol
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Rob is healthy now. When he is on he absolutely is a game plan destroyer. Maybe a lil overzealous comparing his work to Watt and Donald. But late last season he looked like himself again. He is better than Von Miller. As a true college sophomore he racked up like 15 sacks and 7 forced fumbles. When he is on he is a game changer. He is as skilled as Demarcus Ware but even more explosive. Look at all the oline coaches hammering it into his players don’t let him wreck the game plan. He is only 27 and is as skilled an edge rusher you will find. If Timmy could come on the tandem could be game wreckers and take the rush from bottom to top. Then if Willie Henry steps up to Kawaan Short caliber the defense could get dangerous again b4 realized. Any Team can become super bowl favorites in one good off season. The key to a dominant defense is finding that one player opponents need to game plan around.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Quinn isn't going anywhere and neither is Justin Houston.
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6556/justin-houston
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6557/robert-quinn
Why would the Rams, a budding super bowl contender, and the Chiefs, who are clearly gunning for draft capital, CUT their franchise pass rushers? Totally nonsensical. Moreover, why get rid of your best edge defenders on the team? Houston is the best player in that front 7 bar none.
They're not leaving. As much of a need that edge rusher is, I doubt the team is going to address it this offseason unless another Fax machine error happens. Not to mention this draft class is absolutely PATHETIC at the edge rushing position outside of Chubb, and Landry is a solid but unspectacular prospect.
Pernell would be a rotational player and with the way we used him last time he was here I'd welcome him back on the interior. For the right price of course. If he wants too much money no thanks.
And no thanks to Wilkerson for the inevitable suggestion for him. He stopped giving a shit once he got his money. If he could be motivated again, I'd be all for it, but let the Redskins repeat the Haynesworth debacle
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6556/justin-houston
http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/6557/robert-quinn
Why would the Rams, a budding super bowl contender, and the Chiefs, who are clearly gunning for draft capital, CUT their franchise pass rushers? Totally nonsensical. Moreover, why get rid of your best edge defenders on the team? Houston is the best player in that front 7 bar none.
They're not leaving. As much of a need that edge rusher is, I doubt the team is going to address it this offseason unless another Fax machine error happens. Not to mention this draft class is absolutely PATHETIC at the edge rushing position outside of Chubb, and Landry is a solid but unspectacular prospect.
Pernell would be a rotational player and with the way we used him last time he was here I'd welcome him back on the interior. For the right price of course. If he wants too much money no thanks.
And no thanks to Wilkerson for the inevitable suggestion for him. He stopped giving a shit once he got his money. If he could be motivated again, I'd be all for it, but let the Redskins repeat the Haynesworth debacle
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Welcome Pernell as a big upgrade. And with declining cap cuts as the big WR upgrade and welcome to 8-8. Anybody that thinks these upgrades will put the team over. We will all discuss it again in October. And I will go out on a limb now and tell anybody who thinks this way is not gonna enjoy that discussion. While I agree with you that these players probably aren’t hitting the market. We need a game changing edge rusher. Anyways Like with Maclin and Decker. That shit worked as patchwork jobs when there was 4 hall of fame caliber players to build around. As well as some pro bowl caliber players. And these players were only filling small holes. Not as your go to moves as the big upgrades. Not gonna make that much of a difference
As for Houston and Robbie. I kinda believed there is only a chance those dudes will hit the market. Although it would be cool. But I don’t dispute that those players aren’t that likely to be cut and are only cut candidates. Cuz nobody cuts edge rushers, cornerbacks, left tackles and WIDE RECIVERS that are elite and in their prime. Even if only some of their prime are left. These players get restructured. Not cut and traded. So yes I wasn’t really that confident Rob and Houston would hit the market. But an idea that would be nice. Because only star WRs and edge rushers with diminishing skills hit the market or get traded for mid to late round picks. Whatever suckers ends up wit Dez, Sanders and Nelson aren’t getting anything near the player you watched several yrs ago. McPhee could be mildly productive. But not the differences maker the team is gonna need it it wanders to far from Pees system.
Side note I said back in March 2015 the rush could be in trouble once Suggs and Dumervil show their age. Cuz management doesn’t have the aggressive mentality to find elite edge rushers. It is gonna have to get a top10 pick which we nearly got Bosa. There there is getting lucky and finding an elite edge rusher in later round1 to round 3 somewhere. Cuz management covets it’s countless round2 and roumd3 busts to much to trade into the front of round1. And never have the money to make a splash in free agency as a result of buying band aids. As in cheap cap cuts with diminishing skills to patch holes. You add up all the cheap contracts of useless players like Arrington we could sign a Norwell and Osemele.
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Taze
Practice Squad
Yup, I agree. In terms of talent on the roster, we're literally starting from scratch at WR. I don't see any NFL caliber receivers expect for maybe Chris Moore, maybe. Camp isn't, just a decent returner. Wallace is right about at that age where his skills (mainly speed) completely diminish. I'm assuming Maclin is out of here.
Obviously this isn't a good thing, but the FO does have the opportunity to build an entirely new corps the way they want. We're not tied to anyone as a starter. It'll be very interesting and telling to see what kind of guys we add. You're right though, we probably need to add 4, at least 3, more WRs. We also need quality just as much as quantity. I'm sure the FO will partake in their usual aging veteran gamble, which has produced about a 50/50 success rate. But the real difference needs be in the draft, where mid-late round guys that are projects and still don't have a high ceiling is basically what they've been about. Pointless.