allblackraven
Hall of Famer
Absolutely not correct and doesn't reflect what we've seen on the field.
Our O line plays pretty good football actually. Flacco has enough time, why he does it too early is for debate.
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Bernard Pollard Speaks Out on Harbaugh Again
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Our O line plays pretty good football actually. Flacco has enough time, why he does it too early is for debate.
BloodRaven
MVP
Our oline is overachieving and (surprisingly) Flacco is getting more time to throw than all but 4 teams. We can no longer blame the oline for Flacco playing like shit.
TheCity5
MVP
I think he's highly culpable for the Titans game.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Darth hoodie didn't even need to cheat last year. Brown did all the work for him
Tank
Hall of Famer
Don’t bother, using logic and common sense doesn’t give folks anything to bitch and cry about. Just let ‘em bitch and cry.
Tank
Hall of Famer
How about the guys that can’t catch? Or stay on the field? Think if they did their fucking jobs the passing game and offense might be better?
BloodRaven
MVP
True, they're partly to blame.
You know what we see when he takes more time.... the pocket breaks down and he gets sacked.
You know what we see when we send more than 2 on a deep route so they can't double cover it... the pocket breaks down and he gets sacked.
Are you really arguing that having both guards being 3rd stringers, and while maybe they look like 2nd stringers that's about it, but that having the 3rd stringers starting is not the problem.
No team is that deep or can go that deep on the OLine. That's not a Ravens only thing by the way. The reason the Pats,lost in 2015 to the hollowed out remains of Peyton Manning is that they had nothing left on the OLine so it was a revolving door.
allblackraven
Hall of Famer
No.
I am arguing that what our O line produces without starters is not the reason for Flacco dumping the ball so quick to the first read.
Is it in Flacco's head or Marty's design, I have no idea but in either case Flacco looks and plays like shit. Shit if scared and shit if he doesn't stop Marty's play calling nonsense, like he did with Cam's.
But as I said few times already, Flacco doesn't seem to give a shit any longer. That's how he looks to me.
The problem is reality doesn't back up how it "looks" to you. The reason that our line is even holding up is because we are giving them some of the most help of any team in the league.
By giving all that help though, that means less players running routes, which means easier time for secondary.
If we add more people running routes it ends in a sack so we are left with 2 and 3 players,running a route and the secondary having an easy time of it.
RavensFan419
Pro Bowler
personally hate them both I’ve stuck up for Flacco before and shot him down before I’ve accepted a long time ago Flacco is an average QB who turns it on when things matter period never set expectations for the guy but come time for playoffs or must win games he always turns it up
Was the direct mention a shot in my direction? In either case, the mocking attempt at utilizing numbers to aid your point is an interesting approach considering it uses yardage rankings that disprove the very same point. It's worsened further by the, "just be accurate because cuz folks are laughing," line that follows given how much it backfires due to the errors. It's perhaps even stranger to argue in favor of recognizing context beyond statistics and then ignoring the concept altogether afterwards. Let's bypass that the likes of Ellerbe, Pollard, Williams and Kruger had equally capable or superior replacements and focus on the aforementioned mention of being forced to overcome adversity. Now with respect to the defensive performance of 2013, a few of the examples were fair. We were absolutely dusted in the second half on the Denver game. Jason Campbell was effective and efficient against our defense in our disappointing loss to the Browns, even though the final lead-changing TD was scored after a muffed punt by Tandon Doss that pit Cleveland on our own 11. The rest of the examples take a rather dramatic turn, furthered by the insult hurled towards @Adreme about memory.
- Of the memorable aspects of our 20-23 loss to Buffalo, the biggest was Kiko Alonso's game-icing INT at their 48 off of Dallas Clark's tip. We threw 5 INTs in that game, with multiple picks within our own 30. The only reason we were alive at the end was because our defense came away with 2 INTs and an FR on 4 FFs. We shut them down in the 4th, with 2 forced punts and an INT in 3 drives, and the only points we allowed in the 2nd half came off of an FG that started with an Alonso pick which put the ball on our own 48.
- We lost the Chicago game in large part due to pick six by David Bass when it was a one-score game. The other INT was again in our own territory. We did allow a big play in OT to Martellus Bennett, but we likely wouldn't have been there without our turnovers.
- Speaking of defensive touchdowns, we gave up 2 TDs in the New England example. 4 turnovers on the day in 3 INTs and 1 FL. We also turned it over on downs 3 separate times. We held Tom Brady to 14/26 for 172 and 1 TD, with 4.17 YPC on the ground, 300 yards of offense, which would've been 3rd best in the NFL by defensive averages. It doesn't show via the score itself, but again, by your own argument, it was a misleading statistic, and you've oddly leaned on it for support of our defensive struggles.
- Here's where I have to ask: How well do you remember the Cincinnati game that ended our playoff chances? With the Dolphins losing, it was a win-and-in scenario. How do we respond? In a game wherein our defensive gifts us with 4 INTs throughout the contest, we manage to throw 3 INTs in the 4th quarter alone of a one-score game. One was a tipped pass at the LOS that wobbled into Chris Crockers hands that was taken into our own red zone. We allowed an FG off of that turnover. And the last one was a pick-six by Dre Kirkpatrick on a throw behind Torrey Smith's in-route. We also then failed to convert on 4th down at the end.
That being said, the fact that you chose to lean on the general PPG totals when comparing the two teams goes against your own logic. In practice, you've just used general numbers without in-depth knowledge of why the totals are what they are, which is literally no different than what you're accusing another member of doing. Now, yes, it was a satirical effort, but it was intended to provide factual statistical counters. And most of the examples (Specifically the allowed PPG, the defensive rushing totals, and the total yards allowed) go against the point you're supporting them with. In essence, it acts exactly what it's preaching against, which is intended, but then proceeds to do it incorrectly, which isn't. Speaking of which, who is encompassed in the folks that are laughing at @Adreme? That's an epitome of a blanket statement designed to invoke an exaggerated sense of credibility, which is an action you directly outlined as something you personally despise. I think it's best that we drop the "we" business. We can't assume that all of our own sentiments are speaking for anyone out of respect for other people's opinions. It's why I strive to use terms like personally, etc., but that's just me. I'm also by no means a fan of the personal jabs in the quoted post. That aside, in all honesty, I can't remember the last time I've seen a post unintentionally serve as its own antithesis to such a staggering degree. It's somewhat impressive.
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
I guess you could say that @Truth brought a nuke to a forum gunfight with @RayRayRaven while Ray Ray brought a musket. No wonder so many want the second amendment abolished.
Tank
Hall of Famer
The 2013 debacle can be directly attributed to a few things, none of which had anything to do with a “witch hunt” to purge the team of players Harbaugh or Ozzie didn’t like.
The Ravens were facing a daunting cap situation that forced some tough decisions, especially with Boldin and replacing a retiring Birk. Having to fill the voids left by others getting big FA deals kind of forced them to let Q walk and to depend upon Doss and Gradkowski(both failed miserably)as replacements. Add to that an inexplicably ineffective RR and the loss of Pitta and it’s not hard to see why there were major issues.
The Ravens were facing a daunting cap situation that forced some tough decisions, especially with Boldin and replacing a retiring Birk. Having to fill the voids left by others getting big FA deals kind of forced them to let Q walk and to depend upon Doss and Gradkowski(both failed miserably)as replacements. Add to that an inexplicably ineffective RR and the loss of Pitta and it’s not hard to see why there were major issues.
Cville-Raven
MVP
BloodRaven
MVP
And forgot the gunpowder
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
No he remembered it. It just blew up in his face.
