Sooky
MVP
They said his numbers would go up in that system but they look similar to when he was here lol. 2.5 sacks on the season. Definitely a bad move by the Eagles FO.
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JoeyFlex5
Hall of Famer
Jimmy went down shortly before in a bengals game
im not sure who the next dlineman will be to reset the market - maybe sheldon richardson if seattle lets him leave...
and tbf timmy has been a wrecking ball in their wide 9 scheme but he's certainly not worth the money they are giving him - but he's definitely done more than in baltimore in terms of general pressure, more consistent play and all that even if he has only got 2.5 finishes, if you will
Thank you. Another reason to hate the Bengals.
Who was injured during the Chargers game that I am remembering?
Ronnie Stanley is still in concussion protocol 17 days after it happened (supposedly)
Don't know what to think about that. He's been practicing for several days now so I thought he was pretty much over it.
harbs confirmed he was still in the protocol - i just wish we knew when this happened - it feels like such a strange one
Sooky
MVP
My head would hurt too trying to come up with ways to get out of that o-line lineup lol
if stanley cant go i think we're all gonna be suffering concussion from banging our heads against a wall every time clowney beats hurst
Oldfaithful
Hall of Famer
Or we will all be suffering the worst hangovers ever the next morning every time we take a shot when Clowney beats Hurst.
Either way
The Timmy Jernigan example makes every bit of from the market value standpoint. The Akiem Hicks deal made less than 2 months ago set the market considering that Jernigan netted the exact same years and figures. In my eyes, Jernigan's played unquestionable better on tape in Philadelphia, which serves his skill-set better, even by his own admission. It's impressive in its own right considering that the adjustment period of switching from being a leverage-based two-gapping end to a one-gapping tackle in an attacking scheme is arguably one of the biggest changes in mindset for among all interior linemen. That aside, Jernigan has spent most of his snaps at either 3T and RE this season, with and without Fletcher Cox on the field. That's the money position on the interior in a four man front.
While, he's played well in both facets at a position that is paid handsomely, he isn't nearly on the same level in the pass rushing facet as the premier players i.e. Aaron Donald, Gerald McCoy, Kawann Short and even Cox, who manned the RDT role when signing his deal $102.6 million. The only elite 3T whose deal was significantly more affordable was Geno Atkins, who signed his contract after the ACL tear with question marks looming. With Donald expected to be among the league's highest paid players, that group's contracts averages more than $17 million per season. So overall, $5 million less per year for a player of a somewhat lesser caliber who just turned 25 and has seen snaps at literally every single defensive line position aside from the wide-nine DE spots is sensible. Now I'm by no means stating that the deal is guaranteed to prove its value moving forward. Only time will tell and he could vastly disappoint moving forward. But as it stands, with respect to the context of his situation, a Hicks-level contract is hardly unjustifiable.
On the subject of context, it's not overly surprising that Jernigan received a slightly higher average than Williams. The Williams scenario involved a hopeful projection considering that he was paid for a future full-time position that he significantly struggled at in part-time; thereafter, he was given a contract that was directly correlated to more snaps at said position. In Jernigan's case, he was extended several weeks after having one of his best games in Cox's absence, so there was far less projection required, if any. Not to mention that he's younger than Williams by almost the same span as the length of his contract, that being 4 years. So with everything in mind, it'd be weird to laud the contract given to Williams and balk at the contract given to Jernigan.
While, he's played well in both facets at a position that is paid handsomely, he isn't nearly on the same level in the pass rushing facet as the premier players i.e. Aaron Donald, Gerald McCoy, Kawann Short and even Cox, who manned the RDT role when signing his deal $102.6 million. The only elite 3T whose deal was significantly more affordable was Geno Atkins, who signed his contract after the ACL tear with question marks looming. With Donald expected to be among the league's highest paid players, that group's contracts averages more than $17 million per season. So overall, $5 million less per year for a player of a somewhat lesser caliber who just turned 25 and has seen snaps at literally every single defensive line position aside from the wide-nine DE spots is sensible. Now I'm by no means stating that the deal is guaranteed to prove its value moving forward. Only time will tell and he could vastly disappoint moving forward. But as it stands, with respect to the context of his situation, a Hicks-level contract is hardly unjustifiable.
On the subject of context, it's not overly surprising that Jernigan received a slightly higher average than Williams. The Williams scenario involved a hopeful projection considering that he was paid for a future full-time position that he significantly struggled at in part-time; thereafter, he was given a contract that was directly correlated to more snaps at said position. In Jernigan's case, he was extended several weeks after having one of his best games in Cox's absence, so there was far less projection required, if any. Not to mention that he's younger than Williams by almost the same span as the length of his contract, that being 4 years. So with everything in mind, it'd be weird to laud the contract given to Williams and balk at the contract given to Jernigan.
i forgot that aaron donald likely gets an extension this offseason in the same way that CJ Mosley will for us - he will reset the market and i imagine it's going to be an enormous deal
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
I would prefer Jernigan to Williams who is useless as a rusher. And Jernigan when motivated is a better run plugger. However I would prefer Henry over Jernigan. Far higher roof!! He Is as strong and stout. as Jernigan but more explosive and far more flexible and athletic. Henry was and is kinda raw but getting better every week. He could be a huge force by playoff time and recognized as one of the games better up and coming interior rushers. I always compared him to kawaan Short. While Short is more a better technician so far He is similar to short in explosion intensity and athleticism but a little stronger than Short. As great as Short is Henry's roof is a little higher than Kawaan. Not to mention Henry's endurance is off the charts through the roof and getting better!!
By next year Henry and Timmy could be QB destroyers. And the future of the ravens rush. If Urban didn't get injured Pierce Henry and Urban would be quite very formidable!! I'm not a Bowser fan as a rusher. While athletic he isn't slippery and is kinda weak. Maybe a really good 4-3 Strong side linebacker. And eventually a good ilb. But as an 3-4 olb I'm not liking him. If ravens woulda drafted Lawson as opposed to the "fast riser", the rush by next year or playoff time could be destructive!! But Decosta always has to outthink himself!! Friggin moron!! Actually the winning combo would be JUJU, Timmy and Lawson. As good as Timmy could be. Lawson is eventually a top 3 edge rusher in the league. Even better than Khalil Mack. Mack is a better linebacker but Carl Lawson is a rare force rushing the QB. Timmy is skilled but would have to get considerably stronger in the upper bod without losing athleticism to have any chance to compare to Lawson. Timmy Lawson and Henry would be unfair to opponents lol.
Sooky
MVP
Do you think Donald will get paid more than Von Miller? In my eyes he is just as valuable.
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Flawless detailed and precise as usual. And you put your fandom aside and are honest with everything. I was already thinking same thing. How could anybody support the B Williams contract then call the Jernigan contract stupid. Thankfully the community listens to the resident doc.lol
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
Hurst will overpower and dominate Clowney. He matches up very well with Clowney!!
who knows - salary cap goes up he could get virtually whatever he wants - he's clearly the most valuable dlineman in the league now that jj watt has had 2 injury ended years in a row
surely he's gonna get a higher yearly avg than suh and more money than cox - this contract is gonna be enormous
i mean he did do well that one game where they faced each other in college
Sledge Hammer
Pro Bowler
I was playing but yeah I do think he matches up more favorably than fans are thinking.
the problem is that 4 years later clowney is a different class of player even than the one who went number 1 - he's the most dominant dlineman vs the run in the nfl at the moment and also happens to have 8 sacks (i think) on the year too