The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly: Week 16 Edition

[rossihunter2]

I didn't hear it but I need to. Anyone have footage?

No but I won’t lie it was pretty clear on the broadcast footage both times - now maybe it was an honest cheer that got coopted by fans being ironic and the noise built (both times) - it sounded ironic but it didn’t feel mean per se

 

[JoeyFlex5]

i just want to say that having seen the snap counts it's absolutely no surprise at all that we had no outside pass rush...

Terrell Suggs: 51 snaps
Matt Judon: 52 snaps
ZDS: 41 snaps (most on the inside)
Tyus Bowser: 2 snaps
Tim Williams: 0 snaps

so essentially we had 2 outside pass rushers play virtually every single snap with no respite

as i said in the gameday thread the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results
yet these snap counts suggest that is exactly what the coaching staff did - we just sent the same 4 guys over and over with no thought to the use of different guys rotationally or making use of different skillsets

but it gets worse because we only had 4 dlinemen active but gave carl davis (who got one of the few good pushes i saw all game) only 12 snaps
that means that we had pierce, henry, williams all take the vast majority of the snaps - i know we werent in base a lot but williams didnt play well, pierce was invisible and henry only got 30 snaps (first time that's happened for a while)

our inactives list had wormley and tim williams on it - what's the point in drafting these guys and having them sit on the bench? both of them have shown flashes of potential in limited opportunities but for some reason arent being given more opportunities but are being whimsically given snaps apparently depending on the coaches' moods because i dont see how else...

i have some other thoughts on the inactives too... if we arent gonna use terrance west and he doesnt add anything to special teams then what's the point in having him active - he had 0 snaps on offence and i didnt see him on special teams either which means he was wasting an active roster spot for someone who might have affected the game

snap counts are always a minefield but here are some others that annoyed me:

correa - 3 snaps... why? and in 2 of those 3 snaps i can directly recall him making a mistake that cost the ravens yardage - now maybe whoever he replaced doesnt change that but correa doesnt really offer anything in his current state

davis - 12 snaps... i already mentioned this above but i want to go deeper - if he couldnt handle more than the 12 snaps because of his injury against the browns then it makes no sense not to have wormley (or kaufusi) active to spell his snaps and if it wasnt because of injury then it seems nonsensical because he bullied his man early on and then we never really saw him again which left 3 dlinemen to play all the snaps in a game where the opponent was committed to the run game and play action - it seems like we didnt take the weather or the opponent's game plan into account at all in preparation for this game and we certainly didnt adjust well either

project pat - 3 snaps... makes a lot of sense doesnt it - a day when running was more important and after stacking nice games consecutively, ricard's snaps disappeared all of a sudden - i dont see how that makes any sense at all - its ridiculous that our full back on a day like yesterday got only 3 snaps of offence despite supposedly needing to lean on offence - pat has been one of the biggest reasons for our recent uptick in redzone success and in multiple trips near the redzone yesterday we only scored 2 tds

west - 0 snaps... as above - he adds next to nothing on special teams so if he's not getting snaps on offence then he's wasting a roster spot that could have been used on other players - despite being deep at dline we rarely have more than 4 true dlinemen active which seems stupid to me because it weakens a supposed strength of our defence at the beginning of the year i.e. our ability to rotate but nope west took that roster spot and wasnt really used at all - its almost like the coaches literally dont want any of the other guys active so they just activated anyone knowing that all they'd do is warm the bench

campanaro - 22 snaps... this one seems less egregious but ill contextualise - camp has come on strong the last 2-3 weeks and has worked really well in combination with woodhead, watson, moore, wallace and especially on 3rd down, showing off some really nice route running - he also probably had his best game of the season this week and yet he's getting fewer snaps this week than last - i understand there's a natural variance that will happen week to week but camp was one of our more effective options yesterday in critical situations - im hoping this is merely a small aberration and that he continues to get more snaps even if maclin is back

Wanna point out something with ricard... he ran a wheel route I think in the third quarter, where joe ended up hitting a guy on a crossing route for a first down, but if joe hit ricard on the wheel route it's probably a touchdown, he was COMPLETELY uncovered with a wide open path to the end zone and joe had zero pressure.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Another thing worth pointing out, we targeted maxx 3 times that I recall, one was tipped on a play where maxx broke a nice quick out and was wide open and would've taken it far had it not been tipped, another was a TD, and another was a modest gain.

Getting him going could be key moving forward. We still need to get better YAC from our guys and maxx is a YAC monster, he just doesn't go down.

 

[rossihunter2]

Wanna point out something with ricard... he ran a wheel route I think in the third quarter, where joe ended up hitting a guy on a crossing route for a first down, but if joe hit ricard on the wheel route it's probably a touchdown, he was COMPLETELY uncovered with a wide open path to the end zone and joe had zero pressure.

That’s happened a couple of times the last couple of weeks - where an earlier read is open for a first down so joe goes there but if he didn’t take the open guy and went through the rest of his progressions there was a guy open for a bigger play - but then again the 2 I can think of vs the browns were also on 3rd down so I’m not gonna hate on joe for converting the 1st down when it’s there for him

Was this Ricard wheel route on a 3rd down or should joe have gone through his progressions?

 

[rossihunter2]

Another thing worth pointing out, we targeted maxx 3 times that I recall, one was tipped on a play where maxx broke a nice quick out and was wide open and would've taken it far had it not been tipped, another was a TD, and another was a modest gain.

Getting him going could be key moving forward. We still need to get better YAC from our guys and maxx is a YAC monster, he just doesn't go down.

I agree with the first 2 but that “modest gain” was 2 yards lol - but his only target vs the browns was a really nice route and if the db didn’t play it perfectly we would have had a huge gain in the 4th quarter - if we can get him going it will be doubly effective because he’s clearly our best run blocking tight end and therefore adds a layer of disguise to early downs

 

[JoeyFlex5]

That’s happened a couple of times the last couple of weeks - where an earlier read is open for a first down so joe goes there but if he didn’t take the open guy and went through the rest of his progressions there was a guy open for a bigger play - but then again the 2 I can think of vs the browns were also on 3rd down so I’m not gonna hate on joe for converting the 1st down when it’s there for him

Was this Ricard wheel route on a 3rd down or should joe have gone through his progressions?

I can't remember specifics but I feel like it was a third. However, we gotta remember that the thing that made joe great when he was younger was his lack of fuck giving, taking the bomb over the first down, not to mention the completion was a well covered pass and not exactly a gimme, and the bomb to ricard may have actually been a higher percentage throw.

We need a guy who can stop on a dime on deep balls and force DBs to run into him. A nice PI draw guy would be awesome.

 

[rossihunter2]

I can't remember specifics but I feel like it was a third. However, we gotta remember that the thing that made joe great when he was younger was his lack of fuck giving, taking the bomb over the first down, not to mention the completion was a well covered pass and not exactly a gimme, and the bomb to ricard may have actually been a higher percentage throw.

We need a guy who can stop on a dime on deep balls and force DBs to run into him. A nice PI draw guy would be awesome.

Haha you’re right but on 3rd downs I’m not gonna begrudge joe converting to an earlier read even if I wish in some cases he would go through his progressions when he has the time

In terms of pi drawing it’s not the same way as Torrey but camp drew 2 first down penalties in quick succession yesterday maybe his shifty route running can achieve this for us

 

[K-Dog]

No but I won’t lie it was pretty clear on the broadcast footage both times - now maybe it was an honest cheer that got coopted by fans being ironic and the noise built (both times) - it sounded ironic but it didn’t feel mean per se

Being there it was without question a very different cheer.
It struck me as condescending.

 

[rossihunter2]

Being there it was without question a very different cheer.
It struck me as condescending.

Yep live on broadcast it felt ironic

 

[cobrajet]

Hill is done. What i hate about his season was that he's been healthy for ages now and harbaugh didn't play him for a single snap outside of his debut game where he played well. his career is likely done as he wasn;t given an oppertunity to shine

well done harbs

Is that confirmed?

 

[Adreme]

Is that confirmed?

Even if it is how can I blame Harbs when Canady was just better? The better player played, that's how it is.

 

[DeVito52]

Is that confirmed?

No. Sami just lives for negativity.

 

[gtalk12]

Wait, people "cheered" for Perriman when he caught a few passes? I've been reading that it was sarcastic and Wallace seemed upset about it

 

[K-Dog]

Wait, people "cheered" for Perriman when he caught a few passes? I've been reading that it was sarcastic and Wallace seemed upset about it

It did come across to me as condescending.

And I was there.

 

[gtalk12]

It didn't come across to me as condescending.

And I was there.

Oh ok, I do find it odd they would cheer hard when he catches a pass though.

 

[Jacquouille]

Bowser and Wormley yes but Williams has not been good in his snaps.

That's wrong. He's been a below average edge setter if that's what you wanna say but if he was drafted to be that some people in the FO should not have a job.

 

[Adreme]

That's wrong. He's been a below average edge setter if that's what you wanna say but if he was drafted to be that some people in the FO should not have a job.

He didn't fall 2 rounds JUST because of personality/personal issues. I've found that you typically fall a round from that if you are a round 1-3 pick. Him being there in the 3rd,means teams did not think he could be a pass rush specialist and definately not an every down player or at least elite at either category.

 

[DeVito52]

It didn't come across to me as condescending.

And I was there.

Being there it was without question a very different cheer.
It struck me as condescending.

I’m confused

 

[Jacquouille]

He didn't fall 2 rounds JUST because of personality/personal issues. I've found that you typically fall a round from that if you are a round 1-3 pick. Him being there in the 3rd,means teams did not think he could be a pass rush specialist and definately not an every down player or at least elite at either category.

You haven't watched his tape have you? Because even in college he was a pass rush specialist.

 

[K-Dog]

I’m confused

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Thanks for noticing.

For clarity, it DID seem condescending.