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I'd love to see it. Few coordinators seem to have the feel for coordinating all three levels of the defense in a complimentary way. He just seems to have this innate understanding of how the three levels can complement each other. I actually liked Pees but never felt he quite knew how to get the most out of his dline or even his DBs sometimes.
No doubt Chuck is who I'm rooting for. He transformed Mattisons our under performing D and I was sadder to see him go than any other departure.

If he's available (ie doesn't get a HC position) and we pass over him to promote Martindale I'll be more than disappointed ... I'll be pissed
 
This pissed me off to know end. It’s fucking unbelievable how someone can consistently not finish a play. Every. Fucking. Time. I’m sick of it.
Yeah if he misses the initial shot at the QB forget it ... However, I think the play people are referring to is the one that involved defensive holding and erased a int.
 
No playoffs for three years and we lose at home to the Bengals with playoffs on the line? If I'm Bisciotti, the entire coaching staff is as good as gone, save Greg Roman and our OL coach. The OL is the only unit that exceeded expectations this year. I'm amazed at how well we did on the line with the scrubs we had at guard.

wish bisciotti had your clarity of results and vision but he does not. he believes a "business plan" must be given time to succeed . ...


or fail!
 
Another thing

We talk about no playoffs in 4 out of the last 5 years..if KC didn't do us a favor ( and they didnt even need to as they were already in the playoffs) we'd have not made it in 5 out of 5.

the fact of that matter is that without cap space we cannot fill our team the way we want to.

the cap space variable can be overcome by good drafting, but we ain't been close to that either for many years
 
See that's what makes me awfully confused as well. If you're doing a cover 2 with two safeties deep, then why show blitz? I don't think Weddle had time to even cover ground and clearly he wasn't in the play.

Honestly I don't think Mosley isn't responsible here. With the cover 2 look he's supposed to make a play on the ball if he can, but his responsibility is also underneath. They played to win the game not to allow the FG. They wanted to take away the underneath so they wouldn't have an opportunity at the FG. I honestly do not see why Weddle was showing blitz in that situation, you're not fooling anyone with a safety blitz regardless. Zone deep and zone underneath, and with the seam route I would expect a safety to make a play there.
Could be wrong here, but if I'm not mistaken, due to the slot look, Canady should have been the other deep "safety" with Jefferson (who correctly allocated resources to double Green).

With Mosley, his job is the seam route and to carry the vertical. Usually that's against a tight end, but in this case, the tight end went across the field, so I believe Mosley should have dropped vertical to help with Boyd. Again, could be wrong.

I think Weddle was essentially acting as an additional linebacker and was going to take the hook zone away in the flat (which would mean he had the tight end).

Two things stand out from memory and that's how shallow Mosley was on the play when the only seam threat was Boyd and also how soft Canady was over the top as far as execution is concerned. From a personnel standpoint, I would have put Weddle or had him deep and had Jefferson show blitz, but that's just me.

All of this is going off memory. I'm still confused about the play because the outside corners forced an outside release to the sideline which almost suggests they were banking on verticals and wanted the corners to carry that route from the get go as opposed to jamming them inside and shortening the field for the safeties in deep coverage. That's what made me think it was man. Maybe man on the outside, zone on the inside. I don't know. Just really a good call for what the Bengals wanted to do, but terrible execution.
 
Pisses me to no end.
I was hoping he gets sacked but wasn't really expecting that.
We can't have nice things.
Suggs said it many times this season ... Nothing worse than mediocrity
.. well that's what we seem destined to be perennially. More years of being so close but because this, that or whatever ... We just fall short. Another year of drafting at 16.
 
But who exactly would replace Harbs?

Del Rio would be a great choice. Just about anyone would be an improvement. Remember Harballs good years were with a team stacked with pro bowlers he wasn't part of choosing. In fact Harball was responsible for purging pro bowlers.

I like harbaugh and love everything he's brought to this team, we were a joke and highly disrespected and (considered) classless franchise, he helped make us one of the top organizations in the league and a highly respected one who shows nothing but class. But... he needs to fucking go, sometimes shit gets stale and ya gotta move on. Another year of this and we're nearing Marvin Lewis bengals territory.

is any more evidence needed? this is so exasperating. how long is it gonna take....4 outta 5 years and kubiak was the only reason it wasn't 5 for 5. we has a pussy schedule this year and folks think he needs more time?

I'm going to say what i've been saying for the past few years. the future of this team is bleak. compared to other teams we lack young superstar talent , have little cap and have no identity at all.

I wrote a thread a few years ago on br.com saying ''the dark era is here and it's going to last''..i was negged like crazy but this was all so clear to me.

I don't see us being a playoff team for a long, long , time. could be 5-6 years...truthfully.

I don't see the talent there to turn this around. So many huge glaring holes and draft picks that are killing us.

Huge credit to the schedule. During that span of 4-5 to 9-7 we beat the Packers without Aaron Rodgers, the Texans without Deshaun Watson, the colts without Andrew Luck, the Browns and most impressive was the 44 point win over the Lions...albeit the struggling Lions who look to be in the market for a new head coach.

We might have had the easiest schedule in the league this year given our potential as a team on paper, and the plethora of injured teams we faced yet we got eliminated from the playoffs, and dare I say we sacrifice draft position in the process.

wait til the browns jell......the saving grace is their owner is as dense as ours. If the browns ever get a coach they are gonna make our road tougher. How many top draft years have they had?...Johnny Manziel.......Kizer......lol......they got a guy that could turn it around from them but luckily they have hugh Jackson too.

He gets no fucking credit. How can his team be so unprepared for a game like this???????????????? How can Bengals who played for nothing but pride and to screw us if they can, look like world beaters and show 100 times more passion on the field in the first half?

Third year in a row we fail to make the playoffs. No excuses, no credit any longer. Can we have coaches who know how to adjust if our best defender is injured? Year after year after year we watch the same shit under Harbaugh. Enough.

well put..... a motivator that can't motivate......hes a worm

Harbaugh isn’t going anywhere

then we are screwed

This is said every time the Ravens are kept out of the playoffs.

its like reverse Peter and the Wolf........"harbs is staying..........harbs is staying" hopefully the wolf eats him

Just to keep it real and say if The Ravens decided to fired John Harbaugh he would be the clear best coach available. This year potential head coach candidates aren't really that hot. The idea is to do better than John Harbaugh if he was fired but honestly to keep it real with all the injuries and what not that occurred with this team they may not have went to the playoffs but they definitely did more than expected.

nah.....harball would be the only coach available who won a superbowl with vets he wasn't part of acquiring

This will more than likely be my final post. I just can't continue to root for a team that is the very definition of insanity. Harbs will continue to be the head coach and not hire the coordinators that will put this team into a position to succeed. Ozzie will continue to draft players that are solid at best and beyond useless at worst. This team has no passion and has caused me to lose my passion for this team and football in general. And that whole catchphrase of "finish," well they are finished and I am finished with them. I know some of you will call me a fair weather fan and maybe I am, but this is my choice. I don't know what team I will root for or if I will pick another team, but it definitely won't be the Steelers, Pats, Bengals or Browns. I thank you guys for the insightful discussions and for making these few seasons I've been on these message boards fun most of the time.

can't really argue against your point ...heck i'm eyeing the Jags as my next favorite team.......they got some players there drafted well.

On the subject of Newsome; It may be time for him to move as well.
The drafting of Corrrea over Myles Jack, clearly a top five talent to my layman's eye, is inexplicable and calls the entire process into question. I see that selection as inexcusable and a clear error. There are a host of other examples one might offer as examples of questionable selection.

Player development and utilization is most probably a problem and if so, this has a lot to do with Harbaugh. It is his apparent philosophy that a player must play teams to dress. I'm certain he isn't alone in this, league-wide but Perhaps a different philosophy might yield better results.

Harbaugh's cliche's have grown stale and it's possible we need regime change for that reason alone. He hasn't exactly been a smash post Lewis/Reed and having those two hall of fame players and consummate leaders did him great favor.

This is something on which I'm sure we disagree but I would make a move on a quarterback in the first round as well.

we have picked poorly for many years. we do need a qb but we've squandered a golden chance to get one by turning another potentially great draft year into a midpack selection by winning against our weak sisters

Brandon Williams played like an utter joke. I think we should've let him go in favor of Pierce and our run game couldn't have been worse. If we had kept Jernigan instead at least we could've had some interior pass rush along with Pierce and Henry.

the comprehensuv plan allowed Williams to walk and to utilize pierce. but ozze had other ideas. he wanted a defense that breaks late in games but bends just enough early to allow the break late.


No playoffs for three years and we lose at home to the Bengals with playoffs on the line? If I'm Bisciotti, the entire coaching staff is as good as gone, save Greg Roman and our OL coach. The OL is the only unit that exceeded expectations this year. I'm amazed at how well we did on the line with the scrubs we had at guard.

more than reasonable...but it shows character to stay with an aging executive and a bad business plan.....ownership is not about results, its about demonstrating strong character.

With all the HC vacancies I would think he would persue a HC position over a DC

hes not well, skinny as a rail now. god bless him...if he had his health i'd trade ours for him instantly
 
agree...the incessant, "he could be on the hot seat NEXT YEAR" is making me PUKE. But if Bisciotti can't see its "past time" how can the average loyal fan come close to seeing it?...............god I just puked in my mouth a little bit.

I think we all need to realize that If John Harbaugh would get fired today or any day just about every team that needs a head coach would be calling him and wanting him to be their head coach. I don't think interview would even be neccessary because the guy record is pretty good. I get that The Ravens missing out on the playoffs for the past 3 years is highly disappointing but if you going to fired John Harbaugh then the goal should be to find a upgrade. I'm not really seeing alot of upgrades this season and for you picking Jack Del Rio as clear upgrade doesn't make sense.

The Ravens have been quite close to making the playoffs lately. I think all they need to do is hope to get a good or better defensive coordiantor and add more playmakers to the offense.
 
I think we all need to realize that If John Harbaugh would get fired today or any day just about every team that needs a head coach would be calling him and wanting him to be their head coach. I don't think interview would even be neccessary because the guy record is pretty good. I get that The Ravens missing out on the playoffs for the past 3 years is highly disappointing but if you going to fired John Harbaugh then the goal should be to find a upgrade. I'm not really seeing alot of upgrades this season and for you picking Jack Del Rio as clear upgrade doesn't make sense.

The Ravens have been quite close to making the playoffs lately. I think all they need to do is hope to get a good or better defensive coordiantor and add more playmakers to the offense.
He’d have interviews lined up with every team with an opening. The interview would be for Harbaugh sake, to make sure he got into the best position available.

Jack Del Rio is a laugh. He had a team that was a super bowl favorite that ended the season 6-10. Lol
 
I think we all need to realize that If John Harbaugh would get fired today or any day just about every team that needs a head coach would be calling him and wanting him to be their head coach. I don't think interview would even be neccessary because the guy record is pretty good. I get that The Ravens missing out on the playoffs for the past 3 years is highly disappointing but if you going to fired John Harbaugh then the goal should be to find a upgrade. I'm not really seeing alot of upgrades this season and for you picking Jack Del Rio as clear upgrade doesn't make sense.

The Ravens have been quite close to making the playoffs lately. I think all they need to do is hope to get a good or better defensive coordiantor and add more playmakers to the offense.
You sound a lot like the Ravens PR machine.
Tell me, who even heard of Harbaugh when he replaced Bilick in 2007, let alone thought he'd be an upgrade? By virtue of his results, the conclusion is that he just got incredibly lucky to come into the team with 4 HoF type players, one on each level of our D and then some.
Those defenses were what made his playoff run, not Harbaugh's coaching. After it all transitioned to "his" team and his culture, we became mediocre and 2014 now really looks like a fluke (thanks to master OC).
 
Could be wrong here, but if I'm not mistaken, due to the slot look, Canady should have been the other deep "safety" with Jefferson (who correctly allocated resources to double Green).

With Mosley, his job is the seam route and to carry the vertical. Usually that's against a tight end, but in this case, the tight end went across the field, so I believe Mosley should have dropped vertical to help with Boyd. Again, could be wrong.

I think Weddle was essentially acting as an additional linebacker and was going to take the hook zone away in the flat (which would mean he had the tight end).

Two things stand out from memory and that's how shallow Mosley was on the play when the only seam threat was Boyd and also how soft Canady was over the top as far as execution is concerned. From a personnel standpoint, I would have put Weddle or had him deep and had Jefferson show blitz, but that's just me.

All of this is going off memory. I'm still confused about the play because the outside corners forced an outside release to the sideline which almost suggests they were banking on verticals and wanted the corners to carry that route from the get go as opposed to jamming them inside and shortening the field for the safeties in deep coverage. That's what made me think it was man. Maybe man on the outside, zone on the inside. I don't know. Just really a good call for what the Bengals wanted to do, but terrible execution.
Just watched it again, good point on Canady, in 2-man deep I would expect two safeties back there so it's very possible Canady was the deep safety. Thing is, I highly doubt Mosley responsibility was the seam. I think he was supposed to handle the hook since Mosley showed blitz and dropped back, so it's a lot to ask him to cover a lot of ground and in that instant to take away the seam. Not only that but if he took the seam Mixon would've been left uncovered for an easy 1st down in the hook. I think Chuck Clark(36) had responsibility of the TE, so I don't think it was Weddle's responsibility. I think Clark was actually the LB in this situation to take away the hook/curl as well on the other side of the field.

This is where it gets confusing, because if Mosley and Clarke are supposed to prevent the hook, and if TJ and Canady cover the deep half of the field, then what is Weddle's responsibility in this scenario? I don't think Weddle was showing blitz either, I think he was getting back to the line for an adjustment.

I want to know what's Truth's take on this is though.
 
You sound a lot like the Ravens PR machine.
Tell me, who even heard of Harbaugh when he replaced Bilick in 2007, let alone thought he'd be an upgrade? By virtue of his results, the conclusion is that he just got incredibly lucky to come into the team with 4 HoF type players, one on each level of our D and then some.
Those defenses were what made his playoff run, not Harbaugh's coaching. After it all transitioned to "his" team and his culture, we became mediocre and 2014 now really looks like a fluke (thanks to master OC).
I had heard of Harbaugh for years, due to the skins playing the eagles twice a year. I had a feeling that would be a good hire.
 
You sound a lot like the Ravens PR machine.
Tell me, who even heard of Harbaugh when he replaced Bilick in 2007, let alone thought he'd be an upgrade? By virtue of his results, the conclusion is that he just got incredibly lucky to come into the team with 4 HoF type players, one on each level of our D and then some.
Those defenses were what made his playoff run, not Harbaugh's coaching. After it all transitioned to "his" team and his culture, we became mediocre and 2014 now really looks like a fluke (thanks to master OC).
If it was so easy to get good results, why couldn’t Billick do better?
 
Just watched it again, good point on Canady, in 2-man deep I would expect two safeties back there so it's very possible Canady was the deep safety. Thing is, I highly doubt Mosley responsibility was the seam. I think he was supposed to handle the hook since Mosley showed blitz and dropped back, so it's a lot to ask him to cover a lot of ground and in that instant to take away the seam. Not only that but if he took the seam Mixon would've been left uncovered for an easy 1st down in the hook. I think Chuck Clark(36) had responsibility of the TE, so I don't think it was Weddle's responsibility. I think Clark was actually the LB in this situation to take away the hook/curl as well on the other side of the field.

This is where it gets confusing, because if Mosley and Clarke are supposed to prevent the hook, and if TJ and Canady cover the deep half of the field, then what is Weddle's responsibility in this scenario? I don't think Weddle was showing blitz either, I think he was getting back to the line for an adjustment.

I want to know what's Truth's take on this is though.
If it is the Tampa 2, like I think it is, Mosely's responsibility is the seam.
 
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