Next Up: Bye Bye Marty, Pees and Harbaugh?

[Adreme]

Hurst played tackle b4 and did well at times. Skura shoulda played b4 Eluemunor who is to raw. However bleacher report pointed out Eluemunor did have some dominant moments on raw athleticism and strength combo. Can't keep playing the injury card. Ravens were not a good team. Seattle was playing practice squanders last yr along the OLine. The patriots found an ok tackle off a practice squad this year. If Eluemunor wasn't ready it falls on management for at least not finding somebody better on the practice squad of a deep team. Every team has injuries. Some teams even lost their QBs.

Yes the Eagles lost there QB and are getting by with there backup which is expected but if he goes down the season is just over because your 3rd stringers are not good. You can pay for solid depth. You don't pay for solid depth to the depth.

Also Hurst was never a good T. He was ALL TIME AWFUL. That isn't hyperbole. He possibly was the worst LT of the past 20 years. If your argument is he didn't give up a sack every play well then you may wanna be careful not to trip over that bar you have set.

Fact is you cant compound injuries at the same position and be ok. Yes you will occationally find gems on practice squads (we found Collins after all which meant losing BOTH starting and backup RB wasn't so bad), but expecting that is stupid. It's like expecting every 6th round pick to be Antonio Brown.

 

[Adreme]

dont we at least have to fulfil the rooney rule before we hire him? ive seen no reports of us interviewing anyone at all yet...

Isn't that only for head coaches?

 

[JAAM]

I’m starting to think we’re stuck with Marty for the time being. There’s really no reason to believe otherwise. Sounds like Kubiak is going to have an enlarged role within the Broncos front office. I think at this point we should promote Roman. If we don’t, get ready for some more runs to the left and fake FB tosses next season.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

Yes the Eagles lost there QB and are getting by with there backup which is expected but if he goes down the season is just over because your 3rd stringers are not good. You can pay for solid depth. You don't pay for solid depth to the depth.

Also Hurst was never a good T. He was ALL TIME AWFUL. That isn't hyperbole. He possibly was the worst LT of the past 20 years. If your argument is he didn't give up a sack every play well then you may wanna be careful not to trip over that bar you have set.

Fact is you cant compound injuries at the same position and be ok. Yes you will occationally find gems on practice squads (we found Collins after all which meant losing BOTH starting and backup RB wasn't so bad), but expecting that is stupid. It's like expecting every 6th round pick to be Antonio Brown.

The practice squadder can get u through a couple games. It's stupid to believe the ravens are a good team this year. And keep reusing the injury card. Ravens played a cream puff schedule and failed. The injury song is getting tired. Only true homers are regurgitating it at this juncture

 

[RavensMania]

Brandy Williams is more waste of cap space!! Useless rushing the QB and big run stuffing boat anchors that can't do much else come a dime a dozen. But our management pays one $12Mil per. There were several in the draft this year I liked with more athleticism than Williams that are playing very well when getting into games like DJ jones. And far cheaper than Williams. Coulda kept Jernigan a year til younger players got up to speed. But Williams is a Harball favorite.

yeah, we all what that was like when Bwill wasn't playing.

 

[Sledge Hammer]

yeah, we all what that was like when Bwill wasn't playing.

So the answer was pay him $12Mil per?? Coulda kept Jernigan til younger players were ready. And Henry wasn't yet getting much opportunity in his absence. Not surprising the salary cap situation is bad every yr.

 

[RavensMania]

So the answer was pay him $12Mil per?? Coulda kept Jernigan til younger players were ready. And Henry wasn't yet getting much opportunity in his absence. Not surprising the salary cap situation is bad every yr.

It's pretty much the going rate for 3T at the moment. Keep Jernigan and let BWill go, that's a laugh.

 

[rossihunter2]

Isn't that only for head coaches?

I actually have no idea

 

[Adreme]

The practice squadder can get u through a couple games. It's stupid to believe the ravens are a good team this year. And keep reusing the injury card. Ravens played a cream puff schedule and failed. The injury song is getting tired. Only true homers are regurgitating it at this juncture

Sorry that reality doesn't fit with your world view but reality is what itvis and those,injuries happened.


Also they weren't getting you thru a couple games they were starting half the season. We moved Webb back to corner which he had no businessplaying. Elum had no business starting. He was purely a developmental pick. Skura screams practice squads but he was our other starter. Oh and couple that with an already injured QB and you can see how the first half went badly.

But if we are jist ignoring injuries after they almost went undefeated the Pats missed playoffs. Bad team. Houston this year going from contender to nothing. Bad team.

I can keep going with this but my premise stands. Unless you are truly so messed up in the head that the thought of being wrong terrifies you, then you shouldn't go around ignoring the facts you don't like.

Why matters because if you don't understand why you cannot figure out a solution.

 

[arnie_uk]

Serious question. That final drive, was bwill even on the field? I didnt and wont be watching the game

 

[Ellicottraven]

Looks like Marty isn't going anywhere

Actually he is going back to speak country lingo back in Oklahoma, but sadly will return to torment us next year. Between him and Flacco and an inept offense, we'll lose more games next year given our schedule. It is inexplicable to me that we have Greg Roman right here and he could be promoted but we may decide to bring Marty back, because Flacco is comfortable with him. My guess is unlike Kubiak and other OCs' this one does whatever Flacco wants him to do and doesn't ask questions even on a 5 INT day that Flacco may have. Oh and by the way, Flacco doesn't have to spend too much time at the practice facility because he doesn't have to learn a new offense and put in time developing a rapport with his receivers. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy for Flacco till he is cut in 2020.

 

[RaineV1]

One thing that needs to be kept in mind, during December the Ravens had one of the top offenses in the NFL. No joke, they first in points, 7th in yards, and had very few turnovers. Playoff Flacco was back.

The Defense ranked 22nd in points and 30th in yards allowed. And some of that is on Pees.

As odd as it may sound, when it mattered most during the season, the combo of Marty and Roman got the job done on offense. The defensive coaching is what let us down. Pees tries too hard to force square pegs into round holes rather than building around what he has, and it seems like the D just has no killer instinct under him. That's why I don't entirely mind keeping the duo of Marty and Roman, and thinking a new DC might have been more important than a new OC or HC.

 

[Adreme]

I'm kind of excited to see what the offense can do with the OLine coming back and maybe adding a player who can catch. They were not the problem.

 

[Sandtown]

Former Ravens outside linebacker Jarret Johnson had this to say about Marty Mornhinweg on The Glenn Clark Radio ""I think if fans were to sit in with an opposing defensive coordinator and watch our offense, they would be shocked by what Marty's been able to create [with this personnel]."

 

[Ice Bowl]

This will more than likely be my final post. I just can't continue to root for a team that is the very definition of insanity. Harbs will continue to be the head coach and not hire the coordinators that will put this team into a position to succeed. Ozzie will continue to draft players that are solid at best and beyond useless at worst. This team has no passion and has caused me to lose my passion for this team and football in general. And that whole catchphrase of "finish," well they are finished and I am finished with them. I know some of you will call me a fair weather fan and maybe I am, but this is my choice. I don't know what team I will root for or if I will pick another team, but it definitely won't be the Steelers, Pats, Bengals or Browns. I thank you guys for the insightful discussions and for making these few seasons I've been on these message boards fun most of the time.

Come on buddy don't quit on your team. Your a good guy and please continue to back them. We have been through tough losses as well.

 

[Ice Bowl]

You guys will be back. I'm not sure what the problem is if its coaching or if the offense is struggling but you guys will be fine. Keep your chins up.

 

[RavensMania]

One thing that needs to be kept in mind, during December the Ravens had one of the top offenses in the NFL. No joke, they first in points, 7th in yards, and had very few turnovers. Playoff Flacco was back.

The Defense ranked 22nd in points and 30th in yards allowed. And some of that is on Pees.

As odd as it may sound, when it mattered most during the season, the combo of Marty and Roman got the job done on offense. The defensive coaching is what let us down. Pees tries too hard to force square pegs into round holes rather than building around what he has, and it seems like the D just has no killer instinct under him. That's why I don't entirely mind keeping the duo of Marty and Roman, and thinking a new DC might have been more important than a new OC or HC.

I was ok keeping Marty for continuity sake last year and to see what he could do with a full season. I’m truly curious to know what the offense would have looked like back in September if Flacco hadn’t gotten hurt. I’m also not sure who should get the bulk of the credit for turning the offense around these final five weeks. Should it be more on Roman, Marty, Flacco or is a total tea, effort and the execution was just that much better. I’m ok keeping Marty, but my gut says to promote Greg Roman.

 

[29BmoreBird22]

@rossihunter2 @allblackraven @TheCity5 @Truth

So, just watched the play on Ravens Wire and it does indeed look like a Tampa 2 look. Yes, it does in fact look like Mosley was responsible for covering the seam route to Boyd. A few things stood out to me.

Both receivers pressed and forced an outside release. This isn't too typical of the Cover 2 where you force the receiver inside to help lessen how far a safety has to travel to the sideline to help with coverage over the top, so it seems the Ravens two outside corners had every intent of trailing their man down the sideline because they were expecting verticals. Not a bad assumption.

Mosley looks like he actually puts himself into a really good position to defend the pass, but he just stops his zone at about 13 yards to defend the marker. With zero threats crossing into his zone except Boyd, he needed to get deeper. Typically the Mike drops 10-13 yards in a Tampa 2 look, but he needed to carry Boyd down the seam in this case.

Canady was acting as the second safety to Jefferson who started over the top to double cover Green. Canady looked like he shaded over the top of (taking a guess here) LaFell to double cover both outside routes. What this did was allow LaFell to come free up the seam when he passed that ~15 yard mark.

Weddle looks like he was initially going to cover the TE (again, another guess) Kroft on a crosser and whoever the second linebacker was (guessing it was Peanut or Judon) was going to take away Bernard underneath. Looks like Weddle reacts to Dalton's eyes to try to come over the top of Boyd when he realizes Dalton was looking that way.

So, I think the Ravens actually had every single route taken away perfectly on this play. Mosley just needed to take a deeper drop and Canady needed to stay more over the top of Boyd, but in actuality, the Ravens Cover 2 call actually had every single receiver accounted for and should have forced a check down which is likely tackled short of the line to gain or only results in a first down and subsequently (hopefully) a field goal. Just really poor execution on a play that should have been perfectly covered.

 

[rossihunter2]

Mosley looks like he actually puts himself into a really good position to defend the pass, but he just stops his zone at about 13 yards to defend the marker. With zero threats crossing into his zone except Boyd, he needed to get deeper. Typically the Mike drops 10-13 yards in a Tampa 2 look, but he needed to carry Boyd down the seam in this case.

thanks for the breakdown - my question is whether mosley showing a blitz/dropping from the a-gap meant that he spent too many fractions of time mentally on getting to his zone rather than reacting to the lack of people affecting his zone... simply - do you think if cj had just been dropped into his zone normally from his usual ilb spot whether he would have identified this better or was it just bad recognition without mitigating factors at all?

 

[29BmoreBird22]

thanks for the breakdown - my question is whether mosley showing a blitz/dropping from the a-gap meant that he spent too many fractions of time mentally on getting to his zone rather than reacting to the lack of people affecting his zone... simply - do you think if cj had just been dropped into his zone normally from his usual ilb spot whether he would have identified this better or was it just bad recognition without mitigating factors at all?

I think Mosley was too strict to his zone (he stops at 13 yards and about the sticks), but I think that's because the sticks were at 12 yards. I think he was pretty much thinking, "Okay, let me defend this underneath. Nothing gets past me." I think that had he actually been in his zone to begin with, he probably does recognize this faster and probably carries Boyd down the seam, but showing blitz to confuse the line and potentially create a sack is a pretty big deal. Pees had to choose his poison there. Show blitz and hope to confuse the line while putting coverage at risk or just show the four man rush and pray that a pass rush that has fallen off for the game comes alive for such a crucial play?