The 2022 Offseason Thread

[rmcjacket23]

The one thing I really took away from EDC is that he doesn't seem to think the cap space is going to be a big issue. Says we can sign anyone we want and repeatedly said we'll get more room, we'll get more room.

I think this indicates we're gonna move on from a few players that have been under performing. EDC doesn't hold on to guys too long.

What it also tells me is that:
a) if they extend Lamar, I think they'll look to reduce his cap #, not increase it. Would isn't what I would do, but I understand why
b) I think they already know they're going to extend Peters to reduce his #, and likely restructure some others to create space

There's obvious cuts coming to free up space, but nobody is really that "huge" that it would create a big windfall. Peters was the guy that was in the "if we really want to sign a stud, we can cut him to sign him" space, but it's pretty clear they have no plans to do that at this point.

 

[rossihunter2]

one of the funnier things to come up in EDC's presser when asked about remotely doing the draft

 

[UPennChem]

I don't see Averett as part of this though. Like he also emphasized how they need to force more turnovers in the secondary and how adding a dynamic Corner and/or Safety would be ideal. I don't think Averett fits that mold, and I think if you retain Averett, it largely takes you out of the Corner market.

But mostly, I can't see them paying all the money they'd need to three corners like that. I think the "attempt" to keep Averett is going to be more like "we'll give you a well-below-market value offer, and you can test the market and get back to us", which he probably won't be getting back to us.

My best guess is... they'll keep Ricard, probably try to get Campbell to come back for one more year, and Averett and Bozeman are gone. They're going to look to upgrade the Oline in both FA and the draft, maybe look to add a Safety in FA, and then probably hammer the draft with Defense. Noted that he mentioned they wanted to get "younger" on the Dline, meaning I don't think they'll be in the FA market there.

Yeah I can very much see how this is a good interpretation of his words. I can just also seem him saying, he was very happy with the depth we had at corner and that it was just totally not enough. He also talked about as he always does about building a strong backend and how he likes Anthony a lot.

Im not saying he'll be successful at it, but I think he's gonna try and keep him. Obviously as you said, it takes 2 to tango. If he can get more elsewhere, he may go. He may want to stay, who knows.

 

[UPennChem]

you're right - but it's odd - they dont seem to have a LB coach - had orr at OLB coach and tony gilbert as assistant LB coach and that's it...

odd situation there especially given that their DC is a DL coach so not even like he's going to be running the LB room

but josh allen seemed to like him

Yeah I got no idea. But you'd think ILB would make sense for a position in Baltimore.

 

[UPennChem]

What it also tells me is that:
a) if they extend Lamar, I think they'll look to reduce his cap #, not increase it. Would isn't what I would do, but I understand why
b) I think they already know they're going to extend Peters to reduce his #, and likely restructure some others to create space

There's obvious cuts coming to free up space, but nobody is really that "huge" that it would create a big windfall. Peters was the guy that was in the "if we really want to sign a stud, we can cut him to sign him" space, but it's pretty clear they have no plans to do that at this point.

Totally agree here

 

[Simba]

The one thing I'd offer regarding Averett is that I don't think they want Humphrey on the outside nearly as much as people think. I think they really want him playing more slot and roaming around, which is where he made most of his big plays.

Now, can you pay 3 CBs? Probably not. But I wouldn't rule it out completely either because I do think they still want a boundary CB.

 

[UPennChem]

The one thing I'd offer regarding Averett is that I don't think they want Humphrey on the outside nearly as much as people think. I think they really want him playing more slot and roaming around, which is where he made most of his big plays.

Now, can you pay 3 CBs? Probably not. But I wouldn't rule it out completely either because I do think they still want a boundary CB.

You can pay 3, you just can't pay top dollar for 3. It seems like it's gonna be like most situations. He's very much a right player. It's will he sign at the right price?

How different is the market value for him vs the Ravens right price? Idk I could be failing to give him his appropriate respect, but I didn't see teams paying him top corner money. More like CB2 money which still may be more than we can afford.

 

[rossihunter2]

Yeah I got no idea. But you'd think ILB would make sense for a position in Baltimore.

as is posited earlier, it's possible we dont need an OLB coach - given that he coached the OLBs in jacksonville it's certainly not out of the question that he just coaches both LBs

but also maybe not - my guess is probably LBs given that's the group he was with in baltimore as a player and as a defensive analyst as far as im aware but that OLB coach role with the jags could change things

its possible this monday interview is as much to figure out exactly what role he'd take over as much as it is about whether he's a good fit (because let's be honest, harbs doesnt need any info on whether he's a good fit in the building or not)

he's coaching at the east-west shrine bowl with D'Anton Lynn (and also somewhat awkwardly with drew wilkins lol) and his role there seems to be LBs

 

[Simba]

You can pay 3, you just can't pay top dollar for 3. It seems like it's gonna be like most situations. He's very much a right player. It's will he sign at the right price?

How different is the market value for him vs the Ravens right price? Idk I could be failing to give him his appropriate respect, but I didn't see teams paying him top corner money. More like CB2 money which still may be more than we can afford.

I agree in that sense. I think he played well and he'll get a nice payday, but I don't think he played well enough where there's going to be a bid war for his services and he's taking home CB1 money. He could certainly still get priced out but I also don't think this is like a Judon situation where he goes out there and just gets more money than you were even close to thinking about. His contract should be affordable. The question is more if the Ravens want to pay that for him and ultimately, another DB.

 

[rossihunter2]

The one thing I'd offer regarding Averett is that I don't think they want Humphrey on the outside nearly as much as people think. I think they really want him playing more slot and roaming around, which is where he made most of his big plays.

Now, can you pay 3 CBs? Probably not. But I wouldn't rule it out completely either because I do think they still want a boundary CB.

i cant believe we were robbed of seeing what the plan in the secondary was for this year...
Peters at LCB as the only guarantee positionally and then Marlon somewhere, either in the slot or at RCB depending on whether on a particular down or game we wanted to play more averett or tavon

sad we never got to see how it would play out with all that talent

 

[rossihunter2]

I agree in that sense. I think he played well and he'll get a nice payday, but I don't think he played well enough where there's going to be a bid war for his services and he's taking home CB1 money. He could certainly still get priced out but I also don't think this is like a Judon situation where he goes out there and just gets more money than you were even close to thinking about. His contract should be affordable. The question is more if the Ravens want to pay that for him and ultimately, another DB.

would have to come in cheaper than the savings from cutting tavon, i think, for them to consider it worthwhile

 

[UPennChem]

as is posited earlier, it's possible we dont need an OLB coach - given that he coached the OLBs in jacksonville it's certainly not out of the question that he just coaches both LBs

but also maybe not - my guess is probably LBs given that's the group he was with in baltimore as a player and as a defensive analyst as far as im aware but that OLB coach role with the jags could change things

its possible this monday interview is as much to figure out exactly what role he'd take over as much as it is about whether he's a good fit (because let's be honest, harbs doesnt need any info on whether he's a good fit in the building or not)

he's coaching at the east-west shrine bowl with D'Anton Lynn (and also somewhat awkwardly with drew wilkins lol) and his role there seems to be LBs

For sure! Should be interesting to see next week!

 

[Simba]

would have to come in cheaper than the savings from cutting tavon, i think, for them to consider it worthwhile

I think they'd be willing to go a touch above on AAV. So Tavon saves almost $6M. For argument's sake, if you can get Averett for a $7M AAV and structure it the right way, it's not too bad. And I think they'd do that because I think they'd have more long term confidence in a guy like Averett.

I'd still count it much more on the unlikely side but I don't think they're afraid of paying another CB if his price is something they're comfortable with.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

The one thing I'd offer regarding Averett is that I don't think they want Humphrey on the outside nearly as much as people think. I think they really want him playing more slot and roaming around, which is where he made most of his big plays.

Now, can you pay 3 CBs? Probably not. But I wouldn't rule it out completely either because I do think they still want a boundary CB.

When decosta said he thinks right now he could pick out 3 prospects and he believes one of those 3 would be ravens, I fully believe Gardner is in that 3. Now I’m still not super high on drafting a corner at 14 but I wouldn’t be mad

 

[rossihunter2]

When decosta said he thinks right now he could pick out 3 prospects and he believes one of those 3 would be ravens, I fully believe Gardner is in that 3. Now I’m still not super high on drafting a corner at 14 but I wouldn’t be mad

yeah he said 2 things of interest really regarding that 1st round pick

1) that he thought we were in good position between 14 and 20 to be able to get a pass rusher if they want one - maybe a subtle hint that they're probably going to look to trade out of that pick unless someone unexpected falls
2) that there's a group of guys that they've got high grades on who they're already fairly confident at least 1 of will be available

it's tough to guess before athletic testing but yeah i'd say sauce gardner's an obvious guy in terms of style, fit, measurables and tape - he very much fits the mould

EDC normally is able to predict who we'll pick before the draft - the higher the pick we have the easier it'll probably be for him to do that

all this really to say... i cant wait until the end of April - can't believe we've got 3 months to wait

 

[Deebo813]

i mean they clearly have no interest in him and never had any interest in him - not sure why anyone would bother telling him about social media stuff like that... harbs isnt on social media so the only person who'd tell him is lacie and she's said many times they dont really talk football at home and i imagine she'd have no reason to tell him either

You dnt have to be on social media.. all you gotta do is be on any sports app.. dont tell me you fed into that lie? There is legit no way he doesnt know.. as a football fan and especially gm, you almost have to know

 

[Deebo813]

When decosta said he thinks right now he could pick out 3 prospects and he believes one of those 3 would be ravens, I fully believe Gardner is in that 3. Now I’m still not super high on drafting a corner at 14 but I wouldn’t be mad

I wouldnt be mad neither.. i like hump in slot much more

 

[rmcjacket23]

You dnt have to be on social media.. all you gotta do is be on any sports app.. dont tell me you fed into that lie? There is legit no way he doesnt know.. as a football fan and especially gm, you almost have to know

Why exactly does it matter if he knows or not?
I guarantee he also knows what a clown AB is also.

 

[Davesta]

yeah he said 2 things of interest really regarding that 1st round pick

1) that he thought we were in good position between 14 and 20 to be able to get a pass rusher if they want one - maybe a subtle hint that they're probably going to look to trade out of that pick unless someone unexpected falls
2) that there's a group of guys that they've got high grades on who they're already fairly confident at least 1 of will be available

he’s letting teams know he’s willing to dance. I kind of hope, with this being a weak QB class, 0 or just 1 QB go within the first 13 picks. Be nice to see team getting antsy and giving up a future 1st or something like Bears needed to do for Fields.

 

[Simba]

Former GM of the Browns. Curious what role he'll have here.