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The 2022 Offseason Thread

JAAM

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rmcjacket23

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Ben Cleveland has struck me as lazy and uninterested from day one, no surprises here. This time a year ago I recall the TC video where he couldn’t get through a rig for an OL drill because he was too stiff and a coach was giving him shit about it.
It'd be a long shot for him to not make the 53 as a third round pick from a year ago, BUT, if his conditioning is really that big of a problem, and he doesn't impress in camp, he could legitimately fall behind as like the 4th or 5th guard. Powers played over him last year, and I would think Phillips and Mekari could be ahead of him in the rotation.

If you're the 5th guard, and you can't play multiple positions, I don't see a path to a 53 man roster spot. Between Cleveland, Phillips and Powers, I think one of those guys ain't making the 53. And he's the only one not practicing at the moment, and he's not injured. Its early, so I'm not saying it'll happen, but it's not a good look for sure.
 

gtalk12

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There is no way Greg Roman said that shit right?
 

UPennChem

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Little bit nervous about LG. Roman is out here saying right now Ben Powers is in the lead. If that's the case, that's not great from a Tyree perspective and certainly awful from a Cleveland perspective.

Also makes me think Mekari isn't really in line for a starting job. I kinda refuse to believe Mekari wouldn't be a better LG than Powers.
 

Grim

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Little bit nervous about LG. Roman is out here saying right now Ben Powers is in the lead. If that's the case, that's not great from a Tyree perspective and certainly awful from a Cleveland perspective.

Also makes me think Mekari isn't really in line for a starting job. I kinda refuse to believe Mekari wouldn't be a better LG than Powers.
Eh could also be just to drum up some interest in Powers but it could also be legitimate too. Seems strange that we would claim anyone had a lead right now because I don’t think Ravens historically did that unless it’s very obvious.
 

Simba

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Little bit nervous about LG. Roman is out here saying right now Ben Powers is in the lead. If that's the case, that's not great from a Tyree perspective and certainly awful from a Cleveland perspective.

Also makes me think Mekari isn't really in line for a starting job. I kinda refuse to believe Mekari wouldn't be a better LG than Powers.
Not that it means much at this stage, but the 1st team OL in pictures and videos has been…

James - Powers - Linderbaum - Zeitler - Moses

So Roman isn’t wrong but we’ve also seen how quickly things can switch from what it appears to be.
 

UPennChem

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Not that it means much at this stage, but the 1st team OL in pictures and videos has been…

James - Powers - Linderbaum - Zeitler - Moses

So Roman isn’t wrong but we’ve also seen how quickly things can switch from what it appears to be.
Totally agree. Its just if Powers really is the best guard, you've gotta think one of Tyree or Cleveland doesn't make this team
 

Simba

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Totally agree. Its just if Powers really is the best guard, you've gotta think one of Tyree or Cleveland doesn't make this team
It’s an interesting one because all backups sans Mekari are more 1 position guys. James and Faalele pure Ts. Powers, Cleveland, and hopefully Phillips finally pure Gs. Colon is really the only other guy that can play multiple positions but he’s probably on the outside looking in. So with that, you might see us carry 10 this year just because the flexibility isn’t really there
 

rossihunter2

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Not that it means much at this stage, but the 1st team OL in pictures and videos has been…

James - Powers - Linderbaum - Zeitler - Moses

So Roman isn’t wrong but we’ve also seen how quickly things can switch from what it appears to be.

that's also how it was all through OTAs and minicamp - doesnt even look like they've done any rotating at LG at all yet

that said... we havent had any contact practices or padded practices yet (as far as im aware) which means the OL haven't really had any real chance to really compete anyway which as you say is probably why things in the past have changed so quickly
 

rmcjacket23

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Eh could also be just to drum up some interest in Powers but it could also be legitimate too. Seems strange that we would claim anyone had a lead right now because I don’t think Ravens historically did that unless it’s very obvious.
I mean, Powers is basically the incumbent starting LG, so if you were assigning a depth chart, it's logical that he would start there. It's been basically one week of camp, so I wouldn't expect him to be supplanted either.

It’s an interesting one because all backups sans Mekari are more 1 position guys. James and Faalele pure Ts. Powers, Cleveland, and hopefully Phillips finally pure Gs. Colon is really the only other guy that can play multiple positions but he’s probably on the outside looking in. So with that, you might see us carry 10 this year just because the flexibility isn’t really there
With Mekari, I think it does make some sense that he's basically the top backup at Tackle and at Center, primarily, since those are the positions he's played the most of AND the fact that most of our better depth seems to be on the interior, with Cleveland, Phillips, and Powers.

Another thing I'd note is that, in recent years, the team has primarily tried to avoid swapping two Oline spots when an injury happens. So if Mekari is your starting LG, and then an injury to a Tackle or Linderbaum happens, you now have to move Mekari over to those spots and move a backup LG in. So you've changed two positions instead of just one.

So it would seem that the idea, for now, is that Mekari is a Tackle and a Center, but maybe not a Guard. Maybe that changes as camp goes along, but that's what it looks like to me at the moment.

The other large question mark I have is James. If he's really "back" and looks good, does he make the team, and if he does, is he the top reserve Tackle perhaps (or at least in the left side)? If so, then I think it does make sense to have Mekari work as LG mostly.

In an optimal world, if you've got Stanley/Mekari/Linderbaum/Zeitler/Moses as the starters, and then have a solid James as your top reserve Tackle, with others like Powers/Cleveland/Phillips as interior reserves, I think you've got a super strong unit with solid depth. You can have an injury or two at any time and probably not lose too much.

Also possible that they're showcasing both James and Powers as trade bait, since if they're both healthy, they could probably start elsewhere.

Feels like at a summary level that Stanley and James are the keys for me. If they're healthy and playing well, it creates ton of flexibility. Linderbaum/Zeitler/Moses seem to be locks for those spots, so focus is just on health and competition on the left side.
 

rossihunter2

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There is no way Greg Roman said that shit right?

coming back to all this because ive finally actually seen the whole quote...


think this is more of a case of a ton of people being hoodwinked by a shit ryan mink tweet - roman literally responds to the question of does that open up the offence/playbook more with a no lol

also dumb from mink because he literally asked the question and then misrepresented the answer
 
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