2022 NFL Draft Gameday Thread

[JoeyFlex5]

The more I think about it, the more I feel like Jameson Williams was our top target. We agreed on the Hollywood trade but demand it got kept hushed hushed so teams wouldn’t know we wanted a WR in the 1st round.

Kyle Hamilton was the fallback plan.

EDC did mention there was a couple of spots where they thought WR but they got sniped.. my guess is Jameson and, now confirmed, Calvin Austin

That would be incredibly reckless to spend 14 on a player with a very recent ACL after the year we just had. Garrett Wilson feels much more like what we may have had in mind

 

[rossihunter2]

Right, which is just further evidence that what the media or how others scout these draft classes might not sync up with ours. Linderbaum was a guy that a lot of people assumed we wouldn't take because of scheme fit issues and body type.

Same here with Edge. Pretty shocking based on what we heard all offseason about this class that the Ravens basically had nobody on day 3 they liked (or liked enough to make a move to get).

i mean it synced up - it's just that 18 EDGE prospects went before the 4th round even began
not many left at that point - a few interesting developmental guys and kingsley enagbare, who it sounds like had some medical concerns to drop him

 

[rmcjacket23]

i mean it synced up - it's just that 18 EDGE prospects went before the 4th round even began
not many left at that point - a few interesting developmental guys and kingsley enagbare, who it sounds like had some medical concerns to drop him

And that's true. But if some of those guys were in round 3, that's where you use some of your 4th round ammo to move up and get one. Maybe easier said than done, but that's kind of the whole point. If you want an edge player, they're going quickly, and you're not seeing day 3 options available, you should probably try to move up to get one.

 

[rmcjacket23]

That would be incredibly reckless to spend 14 on a player with a very recent ACL after the year we just had. Garrett Wilson feels much more like what we may have had in mind

Would have been pretty ambitious to use a 1st and 2nd rounder on Williams and Njabo, with the possibility that neither plays (or plays much) at all this year.

That's something like the Bucs or Rams could get away with at this juncture. Not us.

 

[Dom McRaven]

@rossihunter2 , you're right. Joe Douglas smacked the shit out of this draft.

 

[rossihunter2]

EDC is on the Lounge Podcast talking about the draft and there's a lot of really interesting nuggets:

• we weren't necessarily taking a WR at 14 albeit there was 1 we liked who would have been an option at 14 if he was there - but we did think that Olave might be there and that a team might try and trade up with us to come and get him - part of why the trade had to be kept secret was so that teams would be more interested in trading with us at 14 (rather than getting up ahead of us)
• we can infer that hamilton and davis were the only players remaining on the board we would have happily taken at 14 - but hamilton was ahead on our board "and it wasn't even close quite honestly"
• Ojabo "would have been" the pick at 14 if he'd been available - but doesn't think he would have been available - they were seemingly really fucking high on Ojabo lol (by the way EDC talked about him, it made him seem like he would have been rated higher than Hamilton on the board when healthy)
• we got 3 guys that we would have taken with our 1st round pick back in December - linderbaum probably wouldnt have been taken at 14 when we finally got to the draft but they still think he's one of the best football players in the class
• our analytics guys think safeties and tight ends are undervalued around the league - there's an inefficiency that we've been able to exploit
• the idea of building a wall around lamar partly comes from Lamar himself - when he asked lamar how he could help him, that was what lamar pointed to
• they had 35 names to get through the 4th round - they got the top 3 names on their list (which is corroborated by peter king's article that came out the other day)
• very specifically said that he wasnt saying where Travis Jones was on our board - but his "approximation" was 36th/37th - was a great value pick at 76
• when you rank the players you take need completely out of it (if you need to you can bring it back into play later on if grades are close) but when you stack the board you dont take need into account at all
• thinks 8 of our 11 picks were great values - wouldnt get drawn into saying which of the guys was the best value albeit based on the way the conversation had gone earlier i think it's pretty clear that the biggest steals (as EDC saw them) would have been Hamilton, Ojabo or Jones: talked about Hamilton having no chance to be available at 14, talked about how Ojabo probably would have been the pick at 14 if he was healthy and talked about how teams made mistakes passing on Jones for needs elsewhere when there was a big gap between where he was valued and where he was picked
• Jordan Stout was a case of “how late can we wait to make sure we get him”
• EDC gave George Kokinis the project of finding the guys in day 3 at RB that had something to them and Badie was one of those guys - EDC loves his makeup
• Just going to transcribe EDC’s thoughts on the guys in the building at WR: “i mean we see those guys everyday here in the building right? We see James, a lot of the times James is uncoverable... We see Devin, we see the speed and the toughness and the contact balance he runs with, and the hands. We saw Tylan this year on special teams, and then when he had a chance to make a play, he made a big play. And Tylan was a guy that before his injury, probably would have been, I don’t know, a 2nd round pick. So we’re excited about those guys.” He goes on to talk about how every team has needs in a salary cap environment but that we’ll continue to augment the roster.
• And when talking about the draft and any future moves in free agency he talked (without using the words) about "right player, right price" - same ideas about value that have always run the offseason, will still run the offseason - was notable that he also talked about the opportunity cost of signing a vet now vs having the flexibility to trade for someone in-season

 

[UPennChem]

EDC is on the Lounge Podcast talking about the draft and there's a lot of really interesting nuggets:

• we weren't necessarily taking a WR at 14 albeit there was 1 we liked who would have been an option at 14 if he was there - but we did think that Olave might be there and that a team might try and trade up with us to come and get him - part of why the trade had to be kept secret was so that teams would be more interested in trading with us at 14 (rather than getting up ahead of us)
• we can infer that hamilton and davis were the only players remaining on the board we would have happily taken at 14 - but hamilton was ahead on our board "and it wasn't even close quite honestly"
• Ojabo "would have been" the pick at 14 if he'd been available - but doesn't think he would have been available - they were seemingly really fucking high on Ojabo lol (by the way EDC talked about him, it made him seem like he would have been rated higher than Hamilton on the board when healthy)
• we got 3 guys that we would have taken with our 1st round pick back in December - linderbaum probably wouldnt have been taken at 14 when we finally got to the draft but they still think he's one of the best football players in the class
• our analytics guys think safeties and tight ends are undervalued around the league - there's an inefficiency that we've been able to exploit
• the idea of building a wall around lamar partly comes from Lamar himself - when he asked lamar how he could help him, that was what lamar pointed to
• they had 35 names to get through the 4th round - they got the top 3 names on their list (which is corroborated by peter king's article that came out the other day)
• very specifically said that he wasnt saying where Travis Jones was on our board - but his "approximation" was 36th/37th - was a great value pick at 76
• when you rank the players you take need completely out of it (if you need to you can bring it back into play later on if grades are close) but when you stack the board you dont take need into account at all
• thinks 8 of our 11 picks were great values - wouldnt get drawn into saying which of the guys was the best value albeit based on the way the conversation had gone earlier i think it's pretty clear that the biggest steals (as EDC saw them) would have been Hamilton, Ojabo or Jones: talked about Hamilton having no chance to be available at 14, talked about how Ojabo probably would have been the pick at 14 if he was healthy and talked about how teams made mistakes passing on Jones for needs elsewhere when there was a big gap between where he was valued and where he was picked
• Jordan Stout was a case of “how late can we wait to make sure we get him”
• EDC gave George Kokinis the project of finding the guys in day 3 at RB that had something to them and Badie was one of those guys - EDC loves his makeup
• Just going to transcribe EDC’s thoughts on the guys in the building at WR: “i mean we see those guys everyday here in the building right? We see James, a lot of the times James is uncoverable... We see Devin, we see the speed and the toughness and the contact balance he runs with, and the hands. We saw Tylan this year on special teams, and then when he had a chance to make a play, he made a big play. And Tylan was a guy that before his injury, probably would have been, I don’t know, a 2nd round pick. So we’re excited about those guys.” He goes on to talk about how every team has needs in a salary cap environment but that we’ll continue to augment the roster.
• And when talking about the draft and any future moves in free agency he talked (without using the words) about "right player, right price" - same ideas about value that have always run the offseason, will still run the offseason - was notable that he also talked about the opportunity cost of signing a vet now vs having the flexibility to trade for someone in-season

Saying a lot of the times James is uncoverable is not a small compliment. Now that may be GM talk or maybe the he's really the incumbent slot guy

 

[cdp]

EDC is on the Lounge Podcast talking about the draft and there's a lot of really interesting nuggets:

• we weren't necessarily taking a WR at 14 albeit there was 1 we liked who would have been an option at 14 if he was there - but we did think that Olave might be there and that a team might try and trade up with us to come and get him - part of why the trade had to be kept secret was so that teams would be more interested in trading with us at 14 (rather than getting up ahead of us)
• we can infer that hamilton and davis were the only players remaining on the board we would have happily taken at 14 - but hamilton was ahead on our board "and it wasn't even close quite honestly"
• Ojabo "would have been" the pick at 14 if he'd been available - but doesn't think he would have been available - they were seemingly really fucking high on Ojabo lol (by the way EDC talked about him, it made him seem like he would have been rated higher than Hamilton on the board when healthy)
• we got 3 guys that we would have taken with our 1st round pick back in December - linderbaum probably wouldnt have been taken at 14 when we finally got to the draft but they still think he's one of the best football players in the class
• our analytics guys think safeties and tight ends are undervalued around the league - there's an inefficiency that we've been able to exploit
• the idea of building a wall around lamar partly comes from Lamar himself - when he asked lamar how he could help him, that was what lamar pointed to
• they had 35 names to get through the 4th round - they got the top 3 names on their list (which is corroborated by peter king's article that came out the other day)
• very specifically said that he wasnt saying where Travis Jones was on our board - but his "approximation" was 36th/37th - was a great value pick at 76
• when you rank the players you take need completely out of it (if you need to you can bring it back into play later on if grades are close) but when you stack the board you dont take need into account at all
• thinks 8 of our 11 picks were great values - wouldnt get drawn into saying which of the guys was the best value albeit based on the way the conversation had gone earlier i think it's pretty clear that the biggest steals (as EDC saw them) would have been Hamilton, Ojabo or Jones: talked about Hamilton having no chance to be available at 14, talked about how Ojabo probably would have been the pick at 14 if he was healthy and talked about how teams made mistakes passing on Jones for needs elsewhere when there was a big gap between where he was valued and where he was picked
• Jordan Stout was a case of “how late can we wait to make sure we get him”
• EDC gave George Kokinis the project of finding the guys in day 3 at RB that had something to them and Badie was one of those guys - EDC loves his makeup
• Just going to transcribe EDC’s thoughts on the guys in the building at WR: “i mean we see those guys everyday here in the building right? We see James, a lot of the times James is uncoverable... We see Devin, we see the speed and the toughness and the contact balance he runs with, and the hands. We saw Tylan this year on special teams, and then when he had a chance to make a play, he made a big play. And Tylan was a guy that before his injury, probably would have been, I don’t know, a 2nd round pick. So we’re excited about those guys.” He goes on to talk about how every team has needs in a salary cap environment but that we’ll continue to augment the roster.
• And when talking about the draft and any future moves in free agency he talked (without using the words) about "right player, right price" - same ideas about value that have always run the offseason, will still run the offseason - was notable that he also talked about the opportunity cost of signing a vet now vs having the flexibility to trade for someone in-season

Travis Jones was 40th on the consensus big board. Getting him at 76 is incredible.
Another one is Faalele 66th on the big board and we got him with the 110th pick.

My guess is Stout, Williams and either Kolar or Armour-Davis weren't great value picks.

 

[rossihunter2]

Saying a lot of the times James is uncoverable is not a small compliment. Now that may be GM talk or maybe the he's really the incumbent slot guy

for what it's worth i think that was more in reference to practice - but somewhat telling that his first thought was to talk about james ahead of the other 2 guys

 

[rossihunter2]

Travis Jones was 40th on the consensus big board. Getting him at 76 is incredible.
Another one is Faalele 66th on the big board and we got him with the 110th pick.

My guess is Stout, Williams and either Kolar or Armour-Davis weren't great value picks.

i think stout is definitely one (albeit only because punters and specialists are basically on a different board to everyone else), think damarion is probably another... i wonder if linderbaum is the other guy (he got taken roughly in the expected range) - but if not linderbaum then maybe likely - we know he was top of the board at the end of the 4th but we also know the board got kinda wiped out at the end of the 4th too

i doubt it's kolar or armour-davis though because they were both guys we'd have taken at 110 if faalele was gone - those 3 guys were our top 3 targets going into day 3

 

[UPennChem]

i think stout is definitely one (albeit only because punters and specialists are basically on a different board to everyone else), think damarion is probably another... i wonder if linderbaum is the other guy (he got taken roughly in the expected range) - but if not linderbaum then maybe likely - we know he was top of the board at the end of the 4th but we also know the board got kinda wiped out at the end of the 4th too

i doubt it's kolar or armour-davis though because they were both guys we'd have taken at 110 if faalele was gone - those 3 guys were our top 3 targets going into day 3

I actually think they are SUPER excited about Kolar.

 

[JoeyFlex5]

I actually think they are SUPER excited about Kolar.

Apparently bisciotti weighed in heavy on the Likely pick. Can’t remember where I heard it but it was said months before the draft that bisciotti was watching some guys and he singled out Likely saying he consistently looked like the fastest guy on the field and he was very high on him.

 

[rossihunter2]

Apparently bisciotti weighed in heavy on the Likely pick. Can’t remember where I heard it but it was said months before the draft that bisciotti was watching some guys and he singled out Likely saying he consistently looked like the fastest guy on the field and he was very high on him.

think peter king said in his article that it was bisciotti who pointed at likely on the board and said "why not another TE" - would make sense that he did that if he was a guy he liked

 

[UPennChem]

Apparently bisciotti weighed in heavy on the Likely pick. Can’t remember where I heard it but it was said months before the draft that bisciotti was watching some guys and he singled out Likely saying he consistently looked like the fastest guy on the field and he was very high on him.

Why is Stevey B watching tape? Lol

 

[JoeyFlex5]

Why is Stevey B watching tape? Lol

Cuz he’s the fucking man

 

[rossihunter2]

Why is Stevey B watching tape? Lol

because i think he's a bit like us in that the draft is one of his favourite parts of the season

 

[RavensMania]

think peter king said in his article that it was bisciotti who pointed at likely on the board and said "why not another TE" - would make sense that he did that if he was a guy he liked

he also liked Kolar because he won the Academic Heisman (3.99 gpa) and could have someone to talk to. lol

 

[cdp]

i think stout is definitely one (albeit only because punters and specialists are basically on a different board to everyone else), think damarion is probably another... i wonder if linderbaum is the other guy (he got taken roughly in the expected range) - but if not linderbaum then maybe likely - we know he was top of the board at the end of the 4th but we also know the board got kinda wiped out at the end of the 4th too

i doubt it's kolar or armour-davis though because they were both guys we'd have taken at 110 if faalele was gone - those 3 guys were our top 3 targets going into day 3

Just because we liked them and actually managed to pick them doesn't mean they're great value picks. Kolar and Armour-Davis both went where they were expected. Which means EDC must have had either ranked higher.

 

[rossihunter2]

Just because we liked them and actually managed to pick them doesn't mean they're great value picks. Kolar and Armour-Davis both went where they were expected. Which means EDC must have had either ranked higher.

yes...
what else would you think it means - he's talking about value relative to his board (i.e. the ravens board) why would he care how the media and other teams rank/grade players when talking about value?

 

[RavensMania]

Apparently bisciotti weighed in heavy on the Likely pick. Can’t remember where I heard it but it was said months before the draft that bisciotti was watching some guys and he singled out Likely saying he consistently looked like the fastest guy on the field and he was very high on him.

maybe Steve B is playing his own version of the Forum Mock