Lamar Jackson

[3-4ravdef509]

I think the problem is you have multiple groups of people and based on your comments you come across as what people call a “Flacco Apologist” because it does seem like you outright dislike Lamar. I think and hope everyone here knows Lamar has a lot of learning to do. Mostly everyone says that so I don’t see your argument there outside the occasional hyperbole due to excitement.

Right now Jackson has a lot of work to do as a passer but he’s undoubtedly a dynamic offensive weapon that we frankly desperately need. Despite having a lot of work to do I and others think he can improve because of his attitude and seemingly excellent work ethic.

Can Joe bring us back to the promise land? Yep he could but hasn’t in years and Jackson is getting it done and looking good. He shouldn’t have started this year. Nobody honestly wants us to have 8 run this much but the ball control is great and he scares defenses and you can see it. He absolutely must learn to throw the football better though. If I’m worried about anything it’s that Lamar may develop and stick with bad mechanics right now.


My hope is Lamar can develop and refine himself so he cleans up his game. We really need Lamar to tighten up his throws and be a more dangerous passer.

I don’t like mobile qbs. I do like Flacco but if we are going to move on I’d rather not have a Mobile qb.

Lamar IS our most dynamic player. It’s a shame he’s never considered following suit of some other Mobile qbs and becoming a slot receiver / utility back, like Edelman

But of course I’ll get slammed for that idea.

 

[Grim]

Why are there sides here anyway? Last I checked we’re fans of the Ravens and not the Flacconians or Jacksonites. I’m just enjoying us actually winning here. People said ATL was a loss but we won and I don’t see much talk about that instead it’s how Jackson sucks or not etc. it was his first road game give him a break.

 

[3-4ravdef509]

Why are there sides here anyway? Last I checked we’re fans of the Ravens and not the Flacconians or Jacksonites. I’m just enjoying us actually winning here. People said ATL was a loss but we won and I don’t see much talk about that instead it’s how Jackson sucks or not etc. it was his first road game give him a break.

The winning creates the false equivalency to competency.

We aren’t winning because Lamar is a good quarterback.

We are wining because Lamar and our backs are running the ball effectively and dominating TOP which helps the defense

 

[3-4ravdef509]

I’m not short sighted. I don’t like winning short term with methods unsustainable long term

 

[Grim]

I don’t like mobile qbs. I do like Flacco but if we are going to move on I’d rather not have a Mobile qb.

Lamar IS our most dynamic player. It’s a shame he’s never considered following suit of some other Mobile qbs and becoming a slot receiver / utility back, like Edelman

But of course I’ll get slammed for that idea.

I’m not a big fan of run first QB but how can you not like a mobile QB? They avoid pressure and sacks and extend plays. You must mean run first QB otherwise I’ll disagree. Lamar could be a great WR potentially sure but he’d have to learn routes and all this other stuff. Josh Reynolds is a guy like that and it took him years. Jackson can make throws and he can even throw it deep he just needs work on refining his game.

Does Joe do things better than Lamar? Yeah he does but Lamar does things better than Joe too. I think that’s unfair of you to cherrypick what Lamar doesn’t do as well or better than Joe. Lamar does a better job of hitting guys in stride than Joe from what I’ve seen. He also has better awareness but his accuracy isn’t as good but Lamar looks poised and he’s developed rapidly so maybe he can still improve here this year. Let the year play out and we can assess them both more accurately by the end of the year.

 

[RavensFan419]

Ill just put this out there:

rookie qb wins this season:

Baker Mayfield: 4
Sam Darnold: 3
Josh Allen: 3
Josh Rosen: 3
Lamar Jackson: 3

jackson has come in and done an incredible job and is getting way more shit than literally any of the other rookie qbs

He also has the best team around him by far the other three teams are in rebuild mode we planned to make a run this season

 

[RavensFan419]

Again that’s false pretenses

Would we have been 4-5 with Lamar had he started week 1? Better? Worse? Don’t know. But we faced some really good teams in that stretch. I don’t think Joe starting woukdnhave resulted in losing the last three. Maybe against the Falcons.

Lamar is great in that we have a running game finally and that helps him and the defense and the TOP which is really how we’ve won the last three games. But that doesn’t mean he’s a good quarterback. I expect my quarterbacks to quarterback.

The team might be better with Lamar because against average or bad teams we can dominate with running the ball and good defense. And I’m fine with that but that’s not a testament to Lamar as a quarterback.

We wont continue to win like this he had proven he cant consistently throw the ball or take care of it he fumbled 7 times in 3 games and had thrown 3ints he isnt ready

 

[Oldfaithful]

We have reached the ever prosperous page 69 of the Lamar Jackson thread. WE SHALL IMMORTALIZE IT

 

[rossihunter2]

I don’t like mobile qbs. I do like Flacco but if we are going to move on I’d rather not have a Mobile qb.

Lamar IS our most dynamic player. It’s a shame he’s never considered following suit of some other Mobile qbs and becoming a slot receiver / utility back, like Edelman

But of course I’ll get slammed for that idea.

because that's a stupid idea - he's a quarterback - and definitely isnt a receiver...

and there's the bias - why should we trust your opinion of lamar's quarterbacking if you dont like mobile qbs in general and want Lamar to convert to a different position?

 

[3-4ravdef509]

I’m not a big fan of run first QB but how can you not like a mobile QB? They avoid pressure and sacks and extend plays. You must mean run first QB otherwise I’ll disagree. Lamar could be a great WR potentially sure but he’d have to learn routes and all this other stuff. Josh Reynolds is a guy like that and it took him years. Jackson can make throws and he can even throw it deep he just needs work on refining his game.

Does Joe do things better than Lamar? Yeah he does but Lamar does things better than Joe too. I think that’s unfair of you to cherrypick what Lamar doesn’t do as well or better than Joe. Lamar does a better job of hitting guys in stride than Joe from what I’ve seen. He also has better awareness but his accuracy isn’t as good but Lamar looks poised and he’s developed rapidly so maybe he can still improve here this year. Let the year play out and we can assess them both more accurately by the end of the year.

I could argue I don’t like scrambling qbs but yes I mean run first or run heavy qbs. Although even qbs who rely on scrambling in the pocket to throw have their drawbacks.

I’ll take a pocket passer over a scrambler any day unless the passing ability is equal. Which is rare.

 

[rossihunter2]

The winning creates the false equivalency to competency.

We aren’t winning because Lamar is a good quarterback.

We are wining because Lamar and our backs are running the ball effectively and dominating TOP which helps the defense

why are you diminishing the effect of him running - that's a legit part of being a mobile qb

we are winning because lamar jackson's style of quarterbacking creates massive advantages for other elements of our team - and that only works if he executes the offence with efficiency - which he evidently has

 

[3-4ravdef509]

because that's a stupid idea - he's a quarterback - and definitely isnt a receiver...

and there's the bias - why should we trust your opinion of lamar's quarterbacking if you dont like mobile qbs in general and want Lamar to convert to a different position?

He’s a great running back.

Take away all of his running plays and he’s a piss poor qb at the moment. Anyone who thinks differently is deluded.

 

[Grim]

I could argue I don’t like scrambling qbs but yes I mean run first or run heavy qbs. Although even qbs who rely on scrambling in the pocket to throw have their drawbacks.

I’ll take a pocket passer over a scrambler any day unless the passing ability is equal. Which is rare.

I’ll say I wish we let Lamar throw more and I would very much like to see Lamar throw on 1-10 because we’ve seen that he can get 8 yards so you can run on 2-10 if it’s an incomplete. I think game plan has been good but the play calls have been eh. To be fair we haven’t seen what Lamar can fully do because they haven’t opened it up yet and maybe for good reason. We need to see Lamar throw deep before NE because if we make the playoffs and go to NE you damn well know Bill will stop his running.

 

[Icy]

remember in i think 2013 or 2014 when joe didnt put the offseason work in with his new WRs and it showed. that stuff matters, since lamar got here this was still joe's offense. Joe got all the reps needed with the new the guys not lamar, so to see lamar over throwing passes so often, says to me he needs to stay in and develop that chemistry with those guys.

 

[3-4ravdef509]

why are you diminishing the effect of him running - that's a legit part of being a mobile qb

we are winning because lamar jackson's style of quarterbacking creates massive advantages for other elements of our team - and that only works if he executes the offence with efficiency - which he evidently has

Running isn’t quarterbacking. Lamar is helping the offense by adding the element of a running game which was absent. If he was a great passer and a good runner that’d be different. If his only contribution to making the offense better is running, than that’s fine but not really a testament to his quarterbacking unless you don’t understand what a quarterback is

 

[rossihunter2]

He’s a great running back.

Take away all of his running plays and he’s a piss poor qb at the moment. Anyone who thinks differently is deluded.

but you cant take away the running threat - he's literally a threat to the defence on every single snap and has to be accounted for - that opens up the entire offence

playing qb isnt just about passing to open receivers - our screen game has improved since jackson took over because his ball fakes are better and he leads his receivers better than joe does - our zone read is unstoppable because jackson's ball fakes are great - our OL is getting on blocks better in the running game because defenders are being held by the threat of Lamar's keeper - Lamar's pocket movement is creating more time for receivers to get open

all those things are fundamental parts of playing qb

and he's not a running back and doesn't play like one either

 

[rossihunter2]

Running isn’t quarterbacking. Lamar is helping the offense by adding the element of a running game which was absent. If he was a great passer and a good runner that’d be different. If his only contribution to making the offense better is running, than that’s fine but not really a testament to his quarterbacking unless you don’t understand what a quarterback is

i think you are confusing the word quarterbacking with passing - there is more to quarterbacking than just passing

 

[Icy]

He’s a great running back.

Take away all of his running plays and he’s a piss poor qb at the moment. Anyone who thinks differently is deluded.

thats the thing, you cant just take away his plays to fit your argument, they happened. and they helped us win. what makes you say he's been piss poor ?

 

[rossihunter2]

I’ll say I wish we let Lamar throw more and I would very much like to see Lamar throw on 1-10 because we’ve seen that he can get 8 yards so you can run on 2-10 if it’s an incomplete. I think game plan has been good but the play calls have been eh. To be fair we haven’t seen what Lamar can fully do because they haven’t opened it up yet and maybe for good reason. We need to see Lamar throw deep before NE because if we make the playoffs and go to NE you damn well know Bill will stop his running.

yeah we know that defences cant stop us getting big enough chunks in the run game consistently to get off the field so we can afford to be more expansive with lamar and go after defences through the air because as long as he doesnt turn the ball over (and that's been his biggest issue so far) then we can still make up the yardage on the ground

 

[3-4ravdef509]

but you cant take away the running threat - he's literally a threat to the defence on every single snap and has to be accounted for - that opens up the entire offence

playing qb isnt just about passing to open receivers - our screen game has improved since jackson took over because his ball fakes are better - our zone read is unstoppable because jackson's ball fakes are great - our OL is getting on blocks better in the running game because defenders are being held by the threat of Lamar's keeper - Lamar's pocket movement is creating more time for receivers to get open

all those things are fundamental parts of playing qb

and he's not a running back and doesn't play like one either

Everyone is watching him to run and he still struggles to get the passing game going.

I’m not stupid. I know he isn’t lining up as a running back. But the effect he has on making the offense better is more similar to a great running back than a quarterback

Sure our screeen game wasn’t good and yes he makes the o line play better because everything is more run oriented and moving instead of pass protecting.