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We should have had a backup plan for putting a better WR between Bateman and the others down the depth chart this season, but I will never fault the Ravens for trading Hollywood when they did. If any other team does that and makes the Playoffs - limping in or not - and had the two players drafted with the picks gained from that trade playing, and playing like studs, everyone here would have been green with envy. I find it funny/strange that the gain from Hollywood's trade is never mentioned when we circle back to the weak WR room discussion. The long game of that trade is/was WAY more beneficial than keeping Hollywood for another year only to lose him to FA. Other than the weakness of the WR group, there were also injuries at WR and TE and RB and ultimately QB - our offense was injured. Add in Roman, as @redrum52 points out, and you have what we witnessed, lackluster offensive performance.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
We should have had a backup plan for putting a better WR between Bateman and the others down the depth chart this season, but I will never fault the Ravens for trading Hollywood when they did. If any other team does that and makes the Playoffs - limping in or not - and had the two players drafted with the picks gained from that trade playing, and playing like studs, everyone here would have been green with envy. I find it funny/strange that the gain from Hollywood's trade is never mentioned when we circle back to the weak WR room discussion. The long game of that trade is/was WAY more beneficial than keeping Hollywood for another year only to lose him to FA. Other than the weakness of the WR group, there were also injuries at WR and TE and RB and ultimately QB - our offense was injured. Add in Roman, as @redrum52 points out, and you have what we witnessed, lackluster offensive performance.
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And yet Hollywood will crawl back to Baltimore anyway, so it's a winout for us
 
I would bring Robinson back at receiver , but he should really be 3rd or 4th guy. Bateman , a good no1 like Hopkins , Robinson . Proche should be released. . We need another high quality receiver beyond a Hopkins.
 
RaineV1 said:
The first one demanded to be traded because of our OC.
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I don’t think this narrative was ever close to being correct. He may have wanted to leave, but it was because he knew the Ravens didn’t feel he was worth WR1 money, and he would never get the big contract in Baltimore he wanted . It was more of a mutual decision that benefitted the Ravens much more than Brown.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
We should have had a backup plan for putting a better WR between Bateman and the others down the depth chart this season, but I will never fault the Ravens for trading Hollywood when they did. If any other team does that and makes the Playoffs - limping in or not - and had the two players drafted with the picks gained from that trade playing, and playing like studs, everyone here would have been green with envy. I find it funny/strange that the gain from Hollywood's trade is never mentioned when we circle back to the weak WR room discussion. The long game of that trade is/was WAY more beneficial than keeping Hollywood for another year only to lose him to FA. Other than the weakness of the WR group, there were also injuries at WR and TE and RB and ultimately QB - our offense was injured. Add in Roman, as @redrum52 points out, and you have what we witnessed, lackluster offensive performance.
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I agree, it was a great trade for the Ravens looking back. I think the point though, was that it’s hard to get top tier WR’s to come here because of scheme and play calling, and the main reason Brown wanted to leave. Tbh, Brown is not even top tier. I doubt he even makes anyone’s top 20 list. So we should all be happy about that trade.
 
Tank said:
I don’t think this narrative was ever close to being correct. He may have wanted to leave, but it was because he knew the Ravens didn’t feel he was worth WR1 money, and he would never get the big contract in Baltimore he wanted . It was more of a mutual decision that benefitted the Ravens much more than Brown.
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And he didn't do much to help his cause for getting WR1 money this year either. It will be interesting to see what happens with him. They exercised the 5th year right after the trade, so the Cards could still hang on, trade, or drop. He could get traded, but they will never recoup what they gave in getting him. That was a masterful trade for a 2nd or 3rd tier WR1.

That said, he fits our needs, but our pay assessment for him seems accurate; so his expectations would need to be tempered a little... That's assuming we resign Lamar. I don't think we'd pursue him not having Lamar. Without Lamar we could be looking for a higher tier WR1.
 
SaltyDog said:
I agree, it was a great trade for the Ravens looking back. I think the point though, was that it’s hard to get top tier WR’s to come here because of scheme and play calling, and the main reason Brown wanted to leave. Tbh, Brown is not even top tier. I doubt he even makes anyone’s top 20 list. So we should all be happy about that trade.
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idk, I don't think WR's are afraid of coming here. I think it's more of an organizational decision. I believe that we think we can get more traction - or as much - from other less expensive player groups like TE and RB. I mean, do we need a couple players that can consistently challenge defenders on the outside? Yes, but they don't have to be WR1's. They could take the Orioles approach to pitching in the 2010's - we're happy with a bunch of 2-4's for starters and a great bullpen.

But, truthfully, I think Roman's playcalling and desire to have everything "look" the same is the biggest culprit of what we see with our WR's. There weren't many times where the WR's were spread out wide from the line. He loved to pack everybody in relatively tight. That's a lot of bodies moving in tight quarters. Makes it WAY easier for DEF's to contain and get tighter windows on passes inside and barely outside the hatches. I think that's why our WR's struggled to get open thru all of the Roman years. Maybe not 2019, but that was an anomaly because of the Superhuman play of Lamar that year. And it was also the last year we were truly healthy.
 
drjohnnyfever said:
idk, I don't think WR's are afraid of coming here. I think it's more of an organizational decision. I believe that we think we can get more traction - or as much - from other less expensive player groups like TE and RB. I mean, do we need a couple players that can consistently challenge defenders on the outside? Yes, but they don't have to be WR1's. They could take the Orioles approach to pitching in the 2010's - we're happy with a bunch of 2-4's for starters and a great bullpen.

But, truthfully, I think Roman's playcalling and desire to have everything "look" the same is the biggest culprit of what we see with our WR's. There weren't many times where the WR's were spread out wide from the line. He loved to pack everybody in relatively tight. That's a lot of bodies moving in tight quarters. Makes it WAY easier for DEF's to contain and get tighter windows on passes inside and barely outside the hatches. I think that's why our WR's struggled to get open thru all of the Roman years. Maybe not 2019, but that was an anomaly because of the Superhuman play of Lamar that year. And it was also the last year we were truly healthy.
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Yeah it’s not that they’re afraid to come here, it’s more about $$ and putting themselves in the best opportunity to play at a high level.

The Ravens have been stuck in the old mantra in that if you want to succeed in the AFCN, you have to be dominant in the run game and on defense. That has been our identity for years, maybe since 2000. With QB’s like Burrow and Watson now in this division we need to evolve.
 
UPennChem said:
Yeah I mean let's just call it square. This team has not for years valued the WR position.
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That does not seem very fair when in the past 4 years the Ravens have invested 2 first round picks and multiple day 2 picks into the position. The fact that they did not pan out, either due to injury so far or just being the 4th/5th best WR in his class (good job to these boards as that is exactly where he was ranked in the aggregate thread from a few years ago), the investment has been there. To that end if you told me for any other position group that they had multiple day 1 and day 2 picks over the past 4 years I would expect the cap hit from said position to be very low because all your key contributors SHOULD be on rookie deals.
 
SaltyDog said:
Yeah it’s not that they’re afraid to come here, it’s more about $$ and putting themselves in the best opportunity to play at a high level.

The Ravens have been stuck in the old mantra in that if you want to succeed in the AFCN, you have to be dominant in the run game and on defense. That has been our identity for years, maybe since 2000. With QB’s like Burrow and Watson now in this division we need to evolve.
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Watson has not proved anything. If you want to beat Burrow, you stifle him, and use an OK offense to win 3-0
 
ravenslord said:
I would bring Robinson back at receiver , but he should really be 3rd or 4th guy. Bateman , a good no1 like Hopkins , Robinson . Proche should be released. . We need another high quality receiver beyond a Hopkins.
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I agree. We completely turned the Safety position around last off-season - why not do it with the WR room? If Lamar gets extended, trade for Hop and draft Addison or JSN at 22

Hop - Bate - Addison/JSN - Robinson
 
Sizzle said:
I don’t give one damn what happens, I just want all this dumb crap to be over. Trade him or sign him, get off the shitter asap
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This is where I’m at. I’m over the drama
 
Thezone27 said:
Watson has not proved anything. If you want to beat Burrow, you stifle him, and use an OK offense to win 3-0
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Hey a 3-0 win works. However, over the past two seasons they have averaged 31.5 points against us and won 3 of 4 regular season games. So stifling them hasn’t worked. I am all for great defense but sometimes you have to put some points up against guys like Burrow.
 
SaltyDog said:
Hey a 3-0 win works. However, over the past two seasons they have averaged 31.5 points against us and won 3 of 4 regular season games. So stifling them hasn’t worked. I am all for great defense but sometimes you have to put some points up against guys like Burrow.
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And mahomes, yeah you're right.
 
Adreme said:
That does not seem very fair when in the past 4 years the Ravens have invested 2 first round picks and multiple day 2 picks into the position. The fact that they did not pan out, either due to injury so far or just being the 4th/5th best WR in his class (good job to these boards as that is exactly where he was ranked in the aggregate thread from a few years ago), the investment has been there. To that end if you told me for any other position group that they had multiple day 1 and day 2 picks over the past 4 years I would expect the cap hit from said position to be very low because all your key contributors SHOULD be on rookie deals.
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They've been bottom 5 in spending every year of Jackson's reign. You can talk draft all you want, but if you can't develop the guys and trade away your guys halfway through their rookie deals you obviously don't value that spot.

You won't pay for other guys, won't pay for your in house guys so you trade them. Then last year made the most egregious inaction with respect to that room.
 
UPennChem said:
They've been bottom 5 in spending every year of Jackson's reign. You can talk draft all you want, but if you can't develop the guys and trade away your guys halfway through their rookie deals you obviously don't value that spot.

You won't pay for other guys, won't pay for your in house guys so you trade them. Then last year made the most egregious inaction with respect to that room.
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By all accounts there were attempts to sign WRs, but FA WRs just said no to our deals. We lost our on every one of them.
 
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