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Lamar Jackson

rmcjacket23 said:
Well realistically, the reason you consider the non-exclusive tag is because you want the cap space to build the roster. Exclusive tag severely hamstrings what this team can do in the offseason in terms of personnel upgrades.

Basically a lot of paths under the exclusive tag involve cutting players you'd probably like to keep (Campbell, Zeitler, Pierce as examples) or just simply not upgrading the roster to a point where you're going to be a legit contender this year.

And there's not a ton of value in paying $45M to a player when you don't think you're going to be a contender.

Realistically, though, I think the exclusive tag is the way they're going to go anyway. I think its more of other teams seeing the same thing we see (i.e. exclusive tag is a cap problem) and thinking that one solution to it is to do the non-exclusive tag.

For me, the non-exclusive tag makes no sense this week. You carry the same cap hit now on both tags. The cap hit doesn't increase for another like 7 weeks or so.
If you feel you can't get a deal done in that time, you can still trade him before the draft. And would think you'll get at least the same compensation in a trade in April as you would by a non-exclusive tag today. Likely significant more.
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I don’t think the Ravens using the non exclusive is motivated by financials. I’m confident they would eat the additional cost of the exclusive and make tough cuts if the idea was Lamar no matter what in 2023.

My best guess, teams are lowballing EDC and the non exclusive is a bluff on his part in order to get teams to up their offer. I’m sure teams would rather deal with Ravens directly than a bidding war. Especially if someone like Miami, his hometown favorite, is in the mix.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
I don’t think the Ravens using the non exclusive is motivated by financials. I’m confident they would eat the additional cost of the exclusive and make tough cuts if the idea was Lamar no matter what in 2023.

My best guess, teams are lowballing EDC and the non exclusive is a bluff on his part in order to get teams to up their offer. I’m sure teams would rather deal with Ravens directly than a bidding war. Especially if someone like Miami, his hometown favorite, is in the mix.
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Ultimately I think they would too. I just struggle to see a path where this team can basically be even as good as last year with him at $45M. Roster cuts you don't want to make will have to happen, and you almost certainly won't be able to upgrade everything you want to (including the WR room). So why am I paying $45M for a team that figures to be worse? What am I getting for that?

The other obvious flaw in it, which I pointed out separately, is that you then have to go to Lamar and sell him on the idea that he's not worth the additional $14M. If I were Lamar, and you tagged me at $31M, I'm pretty much throwing in the towel on long term talks and just waiting for the trade calls.

And maybe that's the route he wants, but that's not what's been indicated publicly by either side though. For me, if Lamar gets the non-exclusive tag, it indicates 1 of 2 things... either they're ridiculously close to a long term deal, that's like a day or two formality, or both sides aren't budging and he's getting traded fairly soon. Don't really see scenarios where he plays under the tag this year at $31M. Obviously be great for the Ravens if it happened, but I don't see it.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Ultimately I think they would too. I just struggle to see a path where this team can basically be even as good as last year with him at $45M. Roster cuts you don't want to make will have to happen, and you almost certainly won't be able to upgrade everything you want to (including the WR room). So why am I paying $45M for a team that figures to be worse? What am I getting for that?

The other obvious flaw in it, which I pointed out separately, is that you then have to go to Lamar and sell him on the idea that he's not worth the additional $14M. If I were Lamar, and you tagged me at $31M, I'm pretty much throwing in the towel on long term talks and just waiting for the trade calls.

And maybe that's the route he wants, but that's not what's been indicated publicly by either side though. For me, if Lamar gets the non-exclusive tag, it indicates 1 of 2 things... either they're ridiculously close to a long term deal, that's like a day or two formality, or both sides aren't budging and he's getting traded fairly soon. Don't really see scenarios where he plays under the tag this year at $31M. Obviously be great for the Ravens if it happened, but I don't see it.
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Maybe this is a warning shot at a Lamar. We’re serious about the trade if you can’t be reasonable with contract demands. Lamar seems pretty happy and loyal for the most part here in Baltimore and doesn’t want to leave. Might be over his skis in the negotiation process….
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Maybe this is a warning shot at a Lamar. We’re serious about the trade if you can’t be reasonable with contract demands. Lamar seems pretty happy and loyal for the most part here in Baltimore and doesn’t want to leave. Might be over his skis in the negotiation process….
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I mean you don't need the non-exclusive tag for a warning shot.
The warning shot is you give him an artificial deadline of mid-April for a contract, otherwise you trade him before the draft. Can do that under the exclusive tag, because its the same cap impact regardless.
That way you can still attack your offseason under the premise that the max he'll count is $31M. If he's here, perfect. If he's not, you'll have draft picks to potentially get who you want.

Also means Lamar doesn't necessarily get to pick where he goes and Ravens can potentially get better trade compensation. If I'm Ravens, I'm targeting NFC teams in most of my trade deals. And we know now that the Saints are out. I'm not particularly interested in him landing with the Dolphins or Jets if I'm the Ravens.
 
Deebo813 said:
If carr got that i can only imagine what everyone else will get. Might be the smallest contract we will ever see by a starting again qb lol
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Ehh, I think its pretty much in-line. We already knew the Carr's, Jones', Garappolos of the world would fetch $35-40M on the open market, so this isn't surprising.
Its not like the elite QBs are going to get like double what these guys get. The going rate for pretty much any mid-tier starter is ~$35-40M, and then goes up from there.
 
Michael M. said:
Seems to me the Raven's should have given him an extension 2yrs ago. Waiting till now seems to have backfired.
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Wasn't the Ravens waiting, I'm sure they wanted to be done long ago.
Still think if Lamar had an agent he would have had a long term contract before last season.
 
BoredMarine13 said:
I don’t think the Ravens using the non exclusive is motivated by financials. I’m confident they would eat the additional cost of the exclusive and make tough cuts if the idea was Lamar no matter what in 2023.

My best guess, teams are lowballing EDC and the non exclusive is a bluff on his part in order to get teams to up their offer. I’m sure teams would rather deal with Ravens directly than a bidding war. Especially if someone like Miami, his hometown favorite, is in the mix.
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I don’t think a non-exclusive would be for trading purposes. In my eyes, the goal of that is solely for Lamar to explore other offers with the assumption/knowledge that what the Ravens are offering is in line with what other teams are offering. If they go with it, I see it as a way for them to try to bring him back to earth and see what his real market is.

Of course, the risk is that they flub their research and a team does offer him what he wants and we’re fucked
 
Simba said:
I don’t think a non-exclusive would be for trading purposes. In my eyes, the goal of that is solely for Lamar to explore other offers with the assumption/knowledge that what the Ravens are offering is in line with what other teams are offering. If they go with it, I see it as a way for them to try to bring him back to earth and see what his real market is.

Of course, the risk is that they flub their research and a team does offer him what he wants and we’re fucked
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This does seem like a likely scenario. If it happens and the comp ends up above what they want to pay, I'm sure they already are comfortable with the 2 first round picks. If they aren't I doubt they would take the chance.
 
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Tank said:
This does seem like a likely scenario. If it is and the comp ends up above what they want to pay, I'm sure they already are comfortable with the 2 first round picks. If they aren't I doubt they would take the chance.
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And that's the risk/reward.

Risk: someone gives him big money and you only get two 1st round picks

Reward: he sees his market is close to what the Ravens have been offering and a deal gets done here

For what it's worth, they can still match/threaten to match and trade him for more than the two 1sts if they want
 
Simba said:
I don’t think a non-exclusive would be for trading purposes. In my eyes, the goal of that is solely for Lamar to explore other offers with the assumption/knowledge that what the Ravens are offering is in line with what other teams are offering. If they go with it, I see it as a way for them to try to bring him back to earth and see what his real market is.

Of course, the risk is that they flub their research and a team does offer him what he wants and we’re fucked
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Tank said:
This does seem like a likely scenario. If it happens and the comp ends up above what they want to pay, I'm sure they already are comfortable with the 2 first round picks. If they aren't I doubt they would take the chance.
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Damn we must have a really good offer on the table to be comfortable with the non exclusive.
 
Simba said:
I'm sure it is a good offer in comparison to everyone but Deshaun Watson at this point
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Meanwhile Twitter won’t stop ranting about how cheap the organization is….
 
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