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Lamar Jackson

Deebo813 said:
I just need some luck with understanding how people see anything wrong with him wanting more gtd years or money. Im starting to think the only reason why people making a big deal is because its lamar and they dont expect much out of him
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Seems like all of the "guarantees" for Lamar comes with stipulations and that is what he may have issues with. I get it.
 
allblackraven said:
What gives you an impression he doesn't know what he's doing?

He's made at least 65 mil so far. His family is taken care of forever. In all likelihood, he'll make 100 by the end of 2024 and it will be all on his terms. Not the agent's or the 32 fat greedy MFs who are obviously playing a dirty game.

Since high school he's been told to switch positions if he wants to make it. He didn't and one college offer came through. Same with going to pros. For his entire rookie contract he's been asked to do more than any other player in the NFL and he did. Wasn't complaining when D repeatedly blew 2, 3 score leads he made. Wasn't complaining when he gets to throw to Dez Bryant, DJax and washed up Watkins or has to run through the middle when it gets dicey but that's the only way to move the sticks.

Still no real effort to bring in competent receivers but hey, here's 100 mil to middle LB.

He sets the price if they want him to play longer and I wouldn't be surprised if the price is lower for other teams.
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Thats not what other people look at.. they only see “ he greedy. Just take whats offered, youre already a millionaire”…
 
Deebo813 said:
So you in the “ he has some nerve” club like the other 95% ok got you
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Ehh, not really. I think the $133M gtd at signing is low. I think the rest of the contract reported is fairly straight forward. I think Lamar holding out for like maybe another $20M of gtd $ at signing is reasonable. Not sure he'll get it, considering the lack of perceived interest thus far, but I don't think that's totally unreasonable.

I think expecting anything in the gtd at signing range that is north of $200M isn't realistic. I think expecting that just puts Lamar in the same group as the "old white men", which is driven by pure greed.

I think that while this is clearly a polarizing topic, there's an unusually high % of the public that seemingly pretends like only Billionaires can be greedy, or that in a negotiation between two very rich people, only he who is more rich can be the greedy one.

It's literally the textbook definition that both parties, including Lamar, are acting based on "greed".
 
Deebo813 said:
I just need some luck with understanding how people see anything wrong with him wanting more gtd years or money. Im starting to think the only reason why people making a big deal is because its lamar and they dont expect much out of him
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gtalk12 said:
When it comes to money, fans will turn on you quickly.

Suggs said it earlier before. It's just wired that way for alot of fans. Protect the team not the player.
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I think some of it is racial as well. Black people are ride or die no matter what , give the man his bag. Everyone else seems torn , falling between give him 250 mil gtd — he’s a quality top 10 QB—he’s a running back.

It’s annoying , i don’t think Burrow would be treated any different than Lamar. But we’ll find out soon enough
 
Thinking the Colts may be the only team who offers him what he wants and more. They opened up a lot cap to make a big move.

So we get only two 1sts or can we get more out of the trade?
 
Deebo813 said:
So you in the “ he has some nerve” club like the other 95% ok got you
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And for the record, I'm mostly in on the "Lamar couldn't have fucked this up more if he tried club". This whole notion of "let me delay getting to the market as long as possible so the cap will keep rising and i'll get a bigger deal" thought process is literally ass-backwards in terms of how a fiscally smart person would think.

The objective isn't to be the highest paid. The objective is to get the maximum amount of $ you can, as soon as you can. On the trajectory that Lamar is on, he'll go 6-7 years straight of playing below market value. That could easily be 50%, or more, of his entire career.

I've said it before... everybody can agree that Josh Allen is a fairly good "comp" for Lamar. Both in terms of what he brings to the table as a player, in terms of accomplishments, etc. They're from the same draft class, which means they're eligible for extensions at the exact same point in time.

If you exclude the differences in signing bonuses based on draft slot, Josh Allen has made ~$23.5M more than Lamar Jackson in his career so far. Comparable players, same draft class. And if no extension for 2023 or changes in contract terms for either party, that number will be ~$19.5M.

Even if Lamar manages to get the exact same deal as Watson, he won't recover that $. It's pretty close to a mathematical impossibility.

One party focused on getting a deal done quickly so that they could make paid lots of $ sooner, the other is seemingly waiting as long as possible thinking that their value will skyrocket with cap increases. Which it will, except so will the value of every other QB.

So by the time Lamar is in year 2 of whatever extension he signs, Josh Allen gets another extension for more than what Lamar got.

First movers are important. They're the ones that get paid more sooner.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
And for the record, I'm mostly in on the "Lamar couldn't have fucked this up more if he tried club". This whole notion of "let me delay getting to the market as long as possible so the cap will keep rising and i'll get a bigger deal" thought process is literally ass-backwards in terms of how a fiscally smart person would think.

The objective isn't to be the highest paid. The objective is to get the maximum amount of $ you can, as soon as you can. On the trajectory that Lamar is on, he'll go 6-7 years straight of playing below market value. That could easily be 50%, or more, of his entire career.

I've said it before... everybody can agree that Josh Allen is a fairly good "comp" for Lamar. Both in terms of what he brings to the table as a player, in terms of accomplishments, etc. They're from the same draft class, which means they're eligible for extensions at the exact same point in time.

If you exclude the differences in signing bonuses based on draft slot, Josh Allen has made ~$23.5M more than Lamar Jackson in his career so far. Comparable players, same draft class. And if no extension for 2023 or changes in contract terms for either party, that number will be ~$19.5M.

Even if Lamar manages to get the exact same deal as Watson, he won't recover that $. It's pretty close to a mathematical impossibility.

One party focused on getting a deal done quickly so that they could make paid lots of $ sooner, the other is seemingly waiting as long as possible thinking that their value will skyrocket with cap increases. Which it will, except so will the value of every other QB.

So by the time Lamar is in year 2 of whatever extension he signs, Josh Allen gets another extension for more than what Lamar got.

First movers are important. They're the ones that get paid more sooner.
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I wish best for Lamar. I hope screws over some franchise with his cost, but hopefully it isn't us.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Ehh, not really. I think the $133M gtd at signing is low. I think the rest of the contract reported is fairly straight forward. I think Lamar holding out for like maybe another $20M of gtd $ at signing is reasonable. Not sure he'll get it, considering the lack of perceived interest thus far, but I don't think that's totally unreasonable.

I think expecting anything in the gtd at signing range that is north of $200M isn't realistic. I think expecting that just puts Lamar in the same group as the "old white men", which is driven by pure greed.

I think that while this is clearly a polarizing topic, there's an unusually high % of the public that seemingly pretends like only Billionaires can be greedy, or that in a negotiation between two very rich people, only he who is more rich can be the greedy one.

It's literally the textbook definition that both parties, including Lamar, are acting based on "greed".
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The original "report" that I read was that they were about 15-20 million away from a deal. Which falls in line with what you are saying here.

I don't do the greed talks. For starters athletes have limited time. Owners want to keep as much of the money as they can from players that make them said money and players want to take as much money as they can from the owners.

It's business.
 
allblackraven said:
What gives you an impression he doesn't know what he's doing?

He's made at least 65 mil so far. His family is taken care of forever. In all likelihood, he'll make 100 by the end of 2024 and it will be all on his terms. Not the agent's or the 32 fat greedy MFs who are obviously playing a dirty game.

Since high school he's been told to switch positions if he wants to make it. He didn't and one college offer came through. Same with going to pros. For his entire rookie contract he's been asked to do more than any other player in the NFL and he did. Wasn't complaining when D repeatedly blew 2, 3 score leads he made. Wasn't complaining when he gets to throw to Dez Bryant, DJax and washed up Watkins or has to run through the middle when it gets dicey but that's the only way to move the sticks.

Still no real effort to bring in competent receivers but hey, here's 100 mil to middle LB.

He sets the price if they want him to play longer and I wouldn't be surprised if the price is lower for other teams.
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NaturalBornHitters said:
My question is, what are the chances that this Lamar debacle will end today?
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Today? Very little, at least officially.

Offer sheets can come in at 4pm. If one comes in, Ravens have five days to match.
My understanding is that Lamar also has to sign the offer sheet (may not be correct on this one). Don't know what the time table is for him to do so.

While I'm sure we'll get "reports" on offer sheets and what the Ravens intend to do with it, strategically, would make sense for them to take the full five days to match. That's an additional five days that said team would need to earmark cap space for Lamar, and thus, likely spend less in FA.
 
Militant X 1 said:
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Ehh, people can bitch about billionaires playing a dirty game. NFLPA has been playing the same dirty game for decades.
There was a report from a handful of agents (believe they were retired agents) who were asked what they'd do differently if they were advising Lamar. Their response was "collude like a mother fucker".

That's not billionaires saying that's. That's player representatives advocating for collusion.

Its a two way street. Always has been.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Ehh, people can bitch about billionaires playing a dirty game. NFLPA has been playing the same dirty game for decades.
There was a report from a handful of agents (believe they were retired agents) who were asked what they'd do differently if they were advising Lamar. Their response was "collude like a mother fucker".

That's not billionaires saying that's. That's player representatives advocating for collusion.

Its a two way street. Always has been.
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That's hilarious. To me, it's just interesting to see how it's "business" when it comes from the organization's perspective but when it comes from the perspective of a player he's "greedy". Again, I hope that they can work this out and Lamar stays.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Today? Very little, at least officially.

Offer sheets can come in at 4pm. If one comes in, Ravens have five days to match.
My understanding is that Lamar also has to sign the offer sheet (may not be correct on this one). Don't know what the time table is for him to do so.

While I'm sure we'll get "reports" on offer sheets and what the Ravens intend to do with it, strategically, would make sense for them to take the full five days to match. That's an additional five days that said team would need to earmark cap space for Lamar, and thus, likely spend less in FA.
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That was my understanding of it as well.
 
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