I don't know if I ever heard that, but I did hear he was raw, but with upside.
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UPennChem
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Ok the part about college is not true. But he has been total ass in the NFL from day 1
Anyone who said that was selling you something lol
He was a potential value but was a day 3 pick for a reason (didn’t have the same explosiveness as pre-injury in his senior year) and also didn’t have much refinement (was more of a RWR than an “x” or outside guy)
He’s been a good gunner and that’s about it
I mean I saw people say R2 but had him 100% day 3 myself lol
UPennChem
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Correct me if I'm wrong but I think EDC said they expected Tylan to go round 2 so to get him in round 4 was incredible value. I'm almost positive he said that
yes, he did say that
Thezone27
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well he would've been a huge bust if he had been picked there.
QtR Nevermore
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Tylan Wallace was #70 on the pre-draft consensus board, https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2021/consensus-big-board-2021?pos=WR so it looked like a good pick at the time, but the mockers didn't have access to his medical tests.
RaineV1
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Honestly, I have to really disagree with that. 17 pounds of muscle (165 vs 182) can make a huge difference in how well someone holds up to getting hit, and their ability to not be easily pushed around and jammed by DBs.
UPennChem
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Yeah that's if that's true. Which I would think it's not. You think Bryce Young was actually 204 or whatever? Absolutely not. Just full of water and maybe a small amount more muscle and fat to just be heavier for the combine and back down.
Look at them, Zay is definitely not quite as skinny you can see that but it would be ridiculous to be like these guys are totally different. They're both small as fuck
RaineV1
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Bryce didn't do any drills after bulking up for the combine. Flowers did his drills at that weight, including running a 4.42. If that's bulked up then he's likely stay that size since he still moves at an insane speed.
Edit: Also just to show the difference between their athletic ability, Zay ran a faster 40 and had a farther broad jump while weighing in at 17 pounds heavier.
UPennChem
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But now you're talking about Zay being more athletic. I would totally agree that Zay is the more athletic of the two. But all I said and it's still true, that Zay is just not that much bigger than Tank
They look totally different on film
Also we’ve seen zay’s before and after 180lbs - we can literally see the difference in body
You think tank didn’t also put on the water weight?
He’s clearly more athletically bigger - the two things are relative
RaineV1
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The more athletic thing was just an added afterthought. It was mainly to show that Flowers didn't just builk up for a weight in. He ran all the same drills 17 pounds heavier than Tank Dell. Also body wise they definitely look different. Flowers is genuinely thicker and shows more muscle than Tank, and does likely play at a heavier weight. That bit of extra size can really increase durability at the NFL level.
UPennChem
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Y'all are acting like I don't think he's bigger and more athletic. He is to both of those things. My singular point is it's not a huge difference. You might think that it is and that's ok. I think their differences in personality is what is causing people to think the difference is bigger than it is. Zay has an alpha and doesn't shy away from anything personality. Tank is not quite Hollywood level bad, but he's just not got that SSS in him.
Maybe you'll say you see, that shows you the difference is big. I think it's all to do with the mental. There are so many examples of huge guys who play small and vice versa.
For the record I think they're both going to be really good players in this league.
Maybe you'll say you see, that shows you the difference is big. I think it's all to do with the mental. There are so many examples of huge guys who play small and vice versa.
For the record I think they're both going to be really good players in this league.