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The 2023 Offseason Thread

ravenslord said:
Its very concerning that Bateman is not ready yet. I think his injury was worse than expected ,sadly.

I like Bateman a lot. I just dont think he will be ready until Novemeber,December. Gut feeling.
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His injury is a Lisfranc. He's not even behind yet. He might need till October but not Nov or Dec
 
ravenslord said:
Its very concerning that Bateman is not ready yet. I think his injury was worse than expected ,sadly.

I like Bateman a lot. I just dont think he will be ready until Novemeber,December. Gut feeling.
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I guess my ? is... what was the recovery timeline you expected?
Based on a 2016 report, the median timeline for return to form in the NFL was roughly 11 months for a Lisfranc injury that required surgery.

I believe his surgery was in early November, so if he were looking at a median return timeline, it would put him ready to play sometime in October.

He's roughly nine months removed from surgery to this point.
 
UPennChem said:
His injury is a Lisfranc. He's not even behind yet. He might need till October but not Nov or Dec
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But that is kind of the point though. How is he going to run ahead of OBJ or even Flowers in playing time, targets, etc. if his return to regular season games isn't until October?

Like it may be post-Labor day before he even returns to partial or full practices, and then he's going to need similar ramp up that a lot of guys spent all August getting.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
But that is kind of the point though. How is he going to run ahead of OBJ or even Flowers in playing time, targets, etc. if his return to regular season games isn't until October?

Like it may be post-Labor day before he even returns to partial or full practices, and then he's going to need similar ramp up that a lot of guys spent all August getting.
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My expectation (who tf cares what I think) is that OBJ will be most productive this season. I think once Bateman is healthy he will be even better than OBJ (this year's OBJ). This will allow him to be really productive and be very close to OBJs production by years end (provided they both stay healthy).
 
rmcjacket23 said:
It's injury recovery, and its usage. And I'm guilty of the latter, but the premise is... if I give Dobbins 250 carries in a workhorse role, is 6.0 YPC or whatever he averaged down the stretch reasonable? Like that's at a all-time legendary type level.
Realistically more volume means his YPC probably comes down. It's still solid, but I'm not sure he's ever going to get a bellcow type role here anyway. Even more in an offense that figures to throw the ball a lot more this year.

And like he may be able to get something similar to an Aaron Jones contract (though probably not for 4 years), but like Jones contract, while looks great on the surface (4 for $48M), he got $13M gtd, which was his signing bonus. He got no gtd $ beyond year 1. And he took a substantial paycut just this offseason two years into his deal to avoid getting cut entirely.

The reality is that the top of the RB market in terms of AAV of what would actually get paid is in the $10-12M range. That's the ceiling. He'd have to show he belongs in that group. Today, he doesn't.
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Doesnt aarom jones get like 11 million per year? I think he already got over half of the 48 million
 
Deebo813 said:
Doesnt aarom jones get like 11 million per year? I think he already got over half of the 48 million
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He will be over half after this year. He made right around $20M total in '21 and '22, and will make just under $11M this year.

But that $11M this year also is $5M less than what he was scheduled to make.

His 4/48 is now a 4/43, and with him owed $12M next year and a cap hit of $17.7M, he'll either need to take another large paycut, or likely be cut after this season.

So what started at 4/48 has every bit the look of being 3/31M instead.

Kind of the whole point with RB contracts. The guys getting past year 3 isn't super prevalent, so when these guys sign these 4-5 year extensions at higher AAV's, its mostly meaningless. Actual payouts will come in substantially lower than what they signed for, both in terms of AAV and in total $ amount.
 
Deebo813 said:
Doesnt aarom jones get like 11 million per year? I think he already got over half of the 48 million
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And what I love the most... 2024 is shaping up to be an apocalypse for RBs.

Henry, Jacobs, Taylor, Pollard, Barkley, Ekeler, Dobbins, Dillon, Gibson and a shit ton of other mid-tier RBs are all slated for FA.
And the FT for RBs is projected to be ~$13M, which is a big increase YoY. And a number I think will scare off a lot of teams from using it, given that its a one year cap hit at that amount and it is, theoretically, at the very top or above the current AAV market for high end RBs.

It's going to be incredibly fascinating. That's why everybody in the industry is looking at these guys who are sitting on franchise tags and not willing to come down on their requests to lower levels as crazy. Have no idea why the Barkley's or Jacobs of the world want anything to do with being a part of this market next year.
 
Again, still early, but sounds like a couple of the young pass rushers - Jeremiah Moon and Malik Hamm - have had a good camp so far. Still expect us to add a veteran which makes it tough for them, but they seem to be taking advantage of the light numbers at the position right now.
 
Deebo813 said:
Yea we in some trouble
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Surprising its JAD who's surging, but I'm not surprised RYS isn't like penned in as the starter. As MM alluded to, he hasn't played a lot of man coverage in his career, and it might not be his strongest area. You need to be versatile in this group.
 
Looks like Oweh is having an excellent camp. I just dont understand the deal with him.

Looks like a stud in now two straight training camps and then fizzles during the season.
 
rossihunter2 said:
Sounds like kolar has been fine but unspectacular and definitely consigned to the 2nd team
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Hmm that’s too bad but it’s still early. What about Likely?
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Surprising its JAD who's surging, but I'm not surprised RYS isn't like penned in as the starter. As MM alluded to, he hasn't played a lot of man coverage in his career, and it might not be his strongest area. You need to be versatile in this group.
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just for your information. In 2022, RYS had 146 snaps in man, while having 214 snaps in zone coverage.
 
rmcjacket23 said:
Surprising its JAD who's surging, but I'm not surprised RYS isn't like penned in as the starter. As MM alluded to, he hasn't played a lot of man coverage in his career, and it might not be his strongest area. You need to be versatile in this group.
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was just finally catching up on the stadium practice - he looked really uncomfortable with his back to the ball tracking duvernay in man in the 7v7s
 
BoredMarine13 said:
Hmm that’s too bad but it’s still early. What about Likely?
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likely's been in the mix with the 1s - obviously had some work with the 2s too but definitely been in the group working with lamar - clearly been the 2nd TE every time when they go to 12 personnel

absolute nightmare for LBs to cover 1v1 in man - gonna be awful to cover on choice routes in 12 personnel
 
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